There is no reason why we can't putt as good as a pro

fullstop

GreeBo wrote: »

snooker and darts are great examples, but I reckon putting is far easier.
every putt is a straight putt, snooker had many different shots, spin etc. darts has multiple targets, but the action of throwing a dart at a target is a simple one.

Every putt is straight?? Have I read that right?!

Ludicrous statement. So slope, grain and wind don't affect putts?

Myksyk

fullstop wrote: »

Every putt is straight?? Have I read that right?!

Ludicrous statement. So slope, grain and wind don't affect putts?

I think its standard to consider every putt straight insofar as you must pick a straight line you are going to start the putt on AFTER taking account of the likely way the slope and break will affect its course once it starts along that straight line. If you read Pelz he states correctly that "every putt is a straight putt".

Almaviva

Every putt is indeed straight from the perspective of the putter, i.e. you do not attempt to pull, push, or otherwise alter your stroke as you hit the ball - no matter what the curving the ball may take on its way to the hole due to the contours of the green. Your alignment before you make the stroke is to allow for that.

realgolfgeek

GreeBo wrote: »

snooker and darts are great examples, but I reckon putting is far easier.
every putt is a straight putt, snooker had many different shots, spin etc. darts has multiple targets, but the action of throwing a dart at a target is a simple one.

do you not think that, with the same effort as the professionals put in, you could get to that level?
note that I'm not saying you are going to be the next world champion, I'm saying get to a professional level.


as discussed before, natural ability is going to separate the guys at the top, but there are thousand of professional golfers, I reckon the vast majority of us have no barrier to reaching their putting level, barring time and effort.
some of us are statistically likely to actually have more natural ability then them.
go look at the stats of the best guy on the web.com tour, nearly half are averaging over 30 ppr.

don't focus on the outliers when making your decision on this, professional golf isn't the top ten guys you watch on tv.

Maybe you're the exception to the rule, you seem to have an endless amount of potentional talent to become a professional something or other.

The more you post about this topic, the bigger the hole you're digging yourself into which you can't crawl out of.
I've never heard so much boloney regarding golf/sports in all my life. You really don't have a clue what you're talking about.

the action of throwing a dart at a target is a simple one.
Yes, it's a simple "action", does that mean with practice you can become a professional ?

Tell you what, why don't we all become professional ten pin bowlers ?

Action is not that difficult. And it's so much easier to golf because you have the EXACT same "putt" every time !!, with no break ! (assuming of course you get a strike every time, which one should by all accounts).

Are you saying we can all become professional bowlers with practice ?

realgolfgeek

easy !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75Z5veJ_APM

Almaviva

Thanks geek.
The equation mentioned is handy. I find if I miss a putt it is usually my mental arithmetic that has let me down. Oh for the use use an artifial aid of a calculator!


Certainly makes putting easier.

Rikand

Disagree

Does this mean i can bring my protractor onto the golf course to help me out ?

GreeBo

Disagree

fullstop wrote: »

Every putt is straight?? Have I read that right?!

Ludicrous statement. So slope, grain and wind don't affect putts?

Yes every putt is straight!

You are still hitting at a specific spot, you are not trying to curl, spin, get in the air etc.
So every single putt is at to a point that is on a straight line from where your ball currently is.

If this is news to you then maybe you need to look at how you putt yourself, if you are not aiming to hit the ball straight on every putt you are doing yourself a disservice.

/edit
I see the lads already got there before I did; apology accepted

DuckSlice

Disagree

30 putts today and missed a few relatively easy ones. keep this argument going its doing my putting the world of good

spacecoyote

Can someone just confirm to me that putting from the fringe doesn't count as a putt as far as ppr counting? Ie. if I 2 putt from the fringe is that classed as a 1-putt for statistical purposes?

DuckSlice

Disagree

spacecoyote wrote: »

Can someone just confirm to me that putting from the fringe doesn't count as a putt as far as ppr counting? Ie. if I 2 putt from the fringe is that classed as a 1-putt for statistical purposes?

That's classed as a 1putt.

spacecoyote

etxp wrote: »

That's classed as a 1putt.

Cool, my stats would prob look a lot better if I had been counting like that in the past.

Will start doing that going forward

Dolph Starbeam

Disagree

spacecoyote wrote: »

Cool, my stats would prob look a lot better if I had been counting like that in the past.

Will start doing that going forward

Its much of a muchness though, yes your putting stats will improve slightly but your GIR stats will drop.

spacecoyote

YayaBanana wrote: »

Its much of a muchness though, yes your putting stats will improve slightly but your GIR stats will drop.

0 impact to gir though as I don't class it as hitting the green now anyway

Dolph Starbeam

Disagree

spacecoyote wrote: »

0 impact to gir though as I don't class it as hitting the green now anyway

Ye not now but from before I presume you would have counted it as hitting the green?

DuckSlice

Disagree

spacecoyote wrote: »

0 impact to gir though as I don't class it as hitting the green now anyway

If you were using golfshot or something to keep your stats and you had a par, if you put it in as a 2put from the fringe it will come up as a GIR!

spacecoyote

Haven't been using golf shot. Might give it a try though.

I use the round embellishment on howdidido & that doesn't class it as gir. It'll show iron to fairway & 2 putts, so a 2 putt but no gir

tayto lover

This lad gives good putting tips -

http://perfectconnectiongolfswing.com/avoid-three-putts-weekly-recap/?cid=[fax]

Rikand

Disagree

played 2 rounds in athenry today.

both rounds 1.61 putts per green
putts per GIR = 1.80 and 1.83

and putts from 10-20 feet made
Round 1 :: 40% [ 4/10 ]
Round 2 :: 46% [ 6/13 ]




pro enough yet ?

For Paws

realgolfgeek wrote: »

Maybe you're the exception to the rule, you seem to have an endless amount of potentional talent to become a professional something or other.

Always assuming you meant to type 'potential' ...

You've made GreeBo's point for him.

Unless & until an 'average' amateur golfer puts in the work that a pro does, it will not be possible for anyone to know whether or not he (the amateur) had the potential all along to putt like a pro.
He could turn out to be the greatest putter who has ever lived.
The other significant point, also championed by GreeBo, is that not every pro golfer is a brilliant, naturally gifted putter.
Even pro golfers have strengths and weaknesses.

alxmorgan

For Paws wrote: »

realgolfgeek wrote: »

Maybe you're the exception to the rule, you seem to have an endless amount of potentional talent to become a professional something or other.

Always assuming you meant to type 'potential' ...

You've made GreeBo's point for him.

Unless & until an 'average' amateur golfer puts in the work that a pro does, it will not be possible for anyone to know whether or not he (the amateur) had the potential all along to putt like a pro.
He could turn out to be the greatest putter who has ever lived.
The other significant point, also championed by GreeBo, is that not every pro golfer is a brilliant, naturally gifted putter.
Even pro golfers have strengths and weaknesses.

This is the post that sums it up for me.
We simply cannot know until we try and how many of us really try...I mean really really try. Hardly any I would guess and the number that do is too small to make up a sample

Almaviva

For Paws wrote: »

We simply cannot know until we try and how many of us really try...I mean really really try. Hardly any I would guess and the number that do is too small to make up a sample

I cant agree. There is no such need to try.
Some indiviuals who havent tried, if they did try, might find that they reach the level. But as with any physical skill, people are different, and a normal distribution of their performance will result. 99.999% those who try will fail - because 'there is a reason we can't putt as good as a pro'.

alxmorgan

Almaviva wrote: »

I cant agree. There is no such need to try.
Some indiviuals who havent tried, if they did try, might find that they reach the level. But as with any physical skill, people are different, and a normal distribution of their performance will result. 99.999% those who try will fail - because 'there is a reason we can't putt as good as a pro'.

I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree. All i'll say is I find the why try attitude a dangerous one. I fear we would still think the earth flat and never have walked on the moon if we all had that attitude

Dolph Starbeam

Disagree

Putt as good as a pro? I can putt as good as Lee Westwood if that counts.

Almaviva

alxmorgan wrote: »

I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree. All i'll say is I find the why try attitude a dangerous one. I fear we would still think the earth flat and never have walked on the moon if we all had that attitude

I dont think anyone has really said 'why try'. Try by all means - thats the fun of the game.
But the question that evolved here was the contention that anyone with the right coaching, time to practice, whatever, could achieve the putting level of pros.
That is the question to which I would give a most emphatic no - not that any given individual could reach that level. On the contrary, some people will indeed.

Almaviva

YayaBanana wrote: »

Putt as good as a pro? I can putt as good as Lee Westwood if that counts.

I would say that probably you wouldnt, and would find that on an absolute measure Westwood actually putts very well. Its relative to other top world ranking professionals the that he doesnt rate too well.

Dolph Starbeam

Disagree

Almaviva wrote: »

I would say that probably you wouldnt, and would find that on an absolute measure Westwood actually putts very well. Its relative to other top world ranking professionals the that he doesnt rate too well.

Not exactly. For example Putting from 5-10ft he makes 48%. That's a pretty average stat that I am certain I would be much the same if not better than. And Lee Westwood does not putt very well, it's got nothing to do with who he is ranked against. He is poor at putting and he will tell you that himself.

Anyways it was meant as a bit of a joke.

Almaviva

YayaBanana wrote: »

Not exactly. For example Putting from 5-10ft he makes 48%. That's a pretty average stat that I am certain I would be much the same if not better than. And Lee Westwood does not putt very well, it's got nothing to do with who he is ranked against. He is poor at putting and he will tell you that himself.

Anyways it was meant as a bit of a joke.

I was guessing so. But making a semi serious point : he will admit he is a poor putter - realtive to the other best 20 putters in the world that he might find himself in a shoot out for a major with - but not necessarily poor when compared to the denizens of boards.ie !

GreeBo

Disagree

YayaBanana wrote: »

Not exactly. For example Putting from 5-10ft he makes 48%. That's a pretty average stat that I am certain I would be much the same if not better than. And Lee Westwood does not putt very well, it's got nothing to do with who he is ranked against. He is poor at putting and he will tell you that himself.

Anyways it was meant as a bit of a joke.

It has to be dependent on who you are ranked against...otherwise how do you measure/rate performance?
is 80% good?
70?
100?

diomed

Disagree

People talk about pros having talent. I think the talent touring pros have is size. I know Nicklaus was 5'10 and Player 5'7", McIlroy is 5'9".

I downloaded the World Top 50 players list and put height against each player.

Average 72.08 inches: rank 1-25 72.68; rank 26-50 71.48. There is a positive relationship between height and ranking.

Large players 74+ inches:
12 in top 29: Rose; Kucher; Mickelson; Els; Bradley; Watson; Simpson; Haas; Johnson; Hanson; Watney; Van Pelt; Furyk.
2 from 30 to 50: Colsaerts; Lynn

You might notice that a few of the large players in the top 29 are not putting wizards.