CHANGE TO THE PROCESS OF DECLARING A VEHICLE TEMPORARILY OFF THE ROAD

seklly

I have a car that has been off the road from May of this year onwards. I was thinking of putting it back on the road in December and completely forgot about this process change.

Presuming I can't complete the current form and get it stamped signed etc and dropped into the tax office today, does this mean that I will need to pay the tax from May to Nov when I put it back on the road?

LifeSaabItch

3 and a half hour queue in NCW in Limerick.

****ing joke.

timmy4u2

seklly wrote: »

I have a car that has been off the road from May of this year onwards. I was thinking of putting it back on the road in December and completely forgot about this process change.

Presuming I can't complete the current form and get it stamped signed etc and dropped into the tax office today, does this mean that I will need to pay the tax from May to Nov when I put it back on the road?

Yep

timmy4u2

galwaytt wrote: »

There's a huge amount of confusion out there on this. I was told by a garage on Friday that, where a vehicle isn't SORD'd, and subsequently changes owners, that the new owner has no liability for (past) tax, but that the old owner(seller), does ! His logic was, that by not being explicit that the old owner was NOT liable, that he IS liable for tax from Oct 1 2013 up 'til the date date of transfer. He said he has seen nothing to the contrary.

As I said its a matter of interpretation. The main thing to look at is the amendments and section 20 is the kernel. How that is read by the authorities or my lord is what will matter. Thats why a country wide organisation to represent driver/owners is badly needed given that SIMI DO NOT SEEM TO CARE

justin coughlan 1990

Just filling in rf100a and rf150 for a tractor,non use from 02/2010 to 08/2013 on rf100a and non use 09 /2013 to 08/2014 on rf150.Question on rf100a is "has your address changed since last taxed"? mine has but didnt change vehicle reg cert.Gonna post forms ,anyone think this will be a problem?

timmy4u2

timmy4u2 wrote: »

As I said its a matter of interpretation. The main thing to look at is the amendments and section 20 is the kernel. How that is read by the authorities or my lord is what will matter. Thats why a country wide organisation to represent driver/owners is badly needed given that SIMI DO NOT SEEM TO CARE

BTW the minister also said -when he accepted that applications can be deemed to be received by the deadline if posted or dropped in to the tax office on Monday-that incomplete form will also be accepted as beating the deadline and that they can be ammended later. I do expect he did not refer to gda declarations because their function ceases at midnight

renofan

LifeSaabItch wrote: »

3 and a half hour queue in NCW in Limerick.

****ing joke.

Not being smart but people knew about this for a long time so I've no sympathy for those who left it to the last second to sort out and are now stuck in queues.

I've a friend on facebook who posted up a pic of the queue at her local tax office and she was muttering about how it was a crazy law etc. and causing all these queues. As in blaming everyone and everything else for her being stuck in the queue when she had 3 months to sort it out.

justin coughlan 1990

tnks for quick reply timmy,that will cover me,good man.

CiniO

timmy4u2 wrote: »

As I said its a matter of interpretation. The main thing to look at is the amendments and section 20 is the kernel. How that is read by the authorities or my lord is what will matter. Thats why a country wide organisation to represent driver/owners is badly needed given that SIMI DO NOT SEEM TO CARE

But any mention about paying arrears in this amendment (as well as original Act) is by section of licencsing a vehicle (paying motortax).
There doesn't seem to be anything else about arrears, so how can you read that to understand that previous owner is responsible for paying arrears when ownership is changed?

timmy4u2

CiniO wrote: »

But any mention about paying arrears in this amendment (as well as original Act) is by section of licencsing a vehicle (paying motortax).
There doesn't seem to be anything else about arrears, so how can you read that to understand that previous owner is responsible for paying arrears when ownership is changed?

I am not saying that. I am saying that the amendments need to be scrutinised and that should be done/have been done. I have not delved into it because I do not have the time at the moment.
This thing of duairt bean liom etc is not good enough when it comes down to the wire.
If I am up in court trying to argue my point as a result of the authorities having a different slant on the said amendment my lord will not be impressed if I quote a post from boards as my authority-with all due respect to those of us who post here.

deecaz

Wondering if anyone can help.

The RF100A has been signed by the garda with a date of the 24th sept, do I want to declare off road from Sept or Oct on the RF150

galwaytt

deecaz wrote: »

Wondering if anyone can help.

The RF100A has been signed by the garda with a date of the 24th sept, do I want to declare off road from Sept or Oct on the RF150

That RF100A is only for up to 1st Sept. The RF150 is from Sept 1st.

There are no part-month divisions of RF100A periods.

galwaytt

I see 'fees' are specifically mentioned for all this palaver in the future: http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/pdf/2013/en.act.2013.0016.pdf
Section 20B (3) (e) '..accompanied by the prescribed fee'

For Forks Sake

It never ceases to amaze me the amount of people who leave things (tax forms/student grant applications/christmas shopping) until the last day and then claim utter surprise that there are queues/server crashes/less than instant service

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2013/09/30/motor-tax-hell-almost-nationwide/

corktina

it gives some idea of the amount of avoidance going on.

Zcott

The wife has a car sitting in her yard that ran out of tax at the end of July but it's getting scrapped pretty soon. Do we need to fill in the RF150 form?

CiniO

Zcott wrote: »

The wife has a car sitting in her yard that ran out of tax at the end of July but it's getting scrapped pretty soon. Do we need to fill in the RF150 form?

No.
If you don't intend on taxing it ever again, you don't.

dtynan

It's annoying when people jump on their high horses and accuse others of leaving things until the last minute. The first I heard of any of this bull**** was when the tax office sent me a letter last week about a car I owned during the 90's, and sent to the scrap heap in 2003.

Now they're telling me I have to either declare its non-use or pay ten years back taxes, on a car which is long-since crushed! They're effectively accusing me of breaking the law without a shred of evidence. The car was never on the road without a tax disc. What happened to the notion of innocent until proven guilty?

I have a car which is currently off the road (it's an antique) and I'm in two minds if I'll ever put it on the road again. With less than a week to go, I find out I have to get an RF100A and a poxy RF150 filled in, if I want to keep it. I'll also point out the local cop shop is open for about two hours a week.

CiniO

timmy4u2 wrote: »

I am not saying that. I am saying that the amendments need to be scrutinised and that should be done/have been done. I have not delved into it because I do not have the time at the moment.
This thing of duairt bean liom etc is not good enough when it comes down to the wire.
If I am up in court trying to argue my point as a result of the authorities having a different slant on the said amendment my lord will not be impressed if I quote a post from boards as my authority-with all due respect to those of us who post here.

Obviously you can have your own opinion, but IMO there is nothing in those amendments which would even have grounds for any authority to demand paying arrears for vehicles which was not taxed, not declared and changed owner.

corktina

dtynan wrote: »

It's annoying when people jump on their high horses and accuse others of leaving things until the last minute. The first I heard of any of this bull**** was when the tax office sent me a letter last week about a car I owned during the 90's, and sent to the scrap heap in 2003.

Now they're telling me I have to either declare its non-use or pay ten years back taxes, on a car which is long-since crushed! They're effectively accusing me of breaking the law without a shred of evidence. The car was never on the road without a tax disc. What happened to the notion of innocent until proven guilty?

I have a car which is currently off the road (it's an antique) and I'm in two minds if I'll ever put it on the road again. With less than a week to go, I find out I have to get an RF100A and a poxy RF150 filled in, if I want to keep it. I'll also point out the local cop shop is open for about two hours a week.

The only time a payment would arise is if you try to put the car back on the road. You need do nothing at all if this will not happen

timmy4u2

CiniO wrote: »

Obviously you can have your own opinion, but IMO there is nothing in those amendments which would even have grounds for any authority to demand paying arrears for vehicles which was not taxed, not declared and changed owner.

I do nothave an opinion on it because I have not read it through and through. I accept that you have and I hope you are correct

advertsfox

Lads is it one queue only into the tax office or is there a seperate line who just want to tax their car as normal? I need to manually tax my new car as normal in the Navan tax office (normally I pay online but I have no choice due to an error) and I'd surely love to miss those queues

CiniO

advertsfox wrote: »

Lads is it one queue only into the tax office or is there a seperate line who just want to tax their car as normal? I need to manually tax my new car as normal in the Navan tax office (normally I pay online but I have no choice due to an error) and I'd surely love to miss those queues

Just wait until tomorrow.

advertsfox

CiniO wrote: »

Just wait until tomorrow.

I'd wait till March if I could Thanks, had a feeling it was just because of everyone being late to the party. Reminds me of the Simpsons...

galwaytt

CiniO wrote: »

Just wait until tomorrow.

Forget tomorrow: the Other queue (the normal beginning-of-month one) starts tomorrow.

Wait a week.

Or do it by post/online.

galwaytt

corktina wrote: »

it gives some idea of the amount of avoidance going on.

No it doesn't. The fact that 1000's of vehicles of one kind or another are being "regularised" - does not imply that any tax was due, merely that their paperwork is/was askew. Everything from lost to out of date taxbooks to parts cars to vintage show stuff.

All are being caught up now, and a huge amount of them will never, ever need to pay any tax.

All they've done is fill the NVDB in Shannon with SISO.

corktina

My wife is driving my Mondeo ST200 at present and a colleague told her to be careful because it's the sort of car the Gards would stop...she was amazed to hear it is taxed and NCTd, she has neither, has been in court a couple of times and has no intention of NCTing the car as it "wouldn't pass"...it's a BMW and the tax is too dear.....she cannot be alone!

The size of the quues IS an indication of the avoidance, even if only 10% are "avoiders" , it's a sizeable number.

JabbaTheHut

corktina wrote: »

My wife is driving my Mondeo ST200 at present and a colleague told her to be careful because it's the sort of car the Gards would stop...she was amazed to hear it is taxed and NCTd, she has neither, has been in court a couple of times and has no intention of NCTing the car as it "wouldn't pass"...it's a BMW and the tax is too dear.....she cannot be alone!

The size of the quues IS an indication of the avoidance, even if only 10% are "avoiders" , it's a sizeable number.

So your wife is driving the Mondeo that has not tax or NCT, or her colleague has a BMW that has no tax or NCT, or both?

murphaph

What a day. I don't live in Ireland any more but we're home visiting family this week. I saw this thread just this weekend by pure chance and lucky I did because I have 3 old bikes parked up in a garage. 2 of them will likely see the road again too but they've been off the road for 5 years now. I managed to get the forms stamped by the Guards and queued with everyone else at the tax office to make sure all was in order. All sorted now thank God. This law should have been changed years ago to be honest. There was a lot of abuse of the old system.

corktina

JabbaTheHut wrote: »

So your wife is driving the Mondeo that has not tax or NCT, or her colleague has a BMW that has no tax or NCT, or both?

try reading it again

CiniO

murphaph wrote: »

What a day. I don't live in Ireland any more but we're home visiting family this week. I saw this thread just this weekend by pure chance and lucky I did because I have 3 old bikes parked up in a garage. 2 of them will likely see the road again too but they've been off the road for 5 years now. I managed to get the forms stamped by the Guards and queued with everyone else at the tax office to make sure all was in order. All sorted now thank God. This law should have been changed years ago to be honest. There was a lot of abuse of the old system.

And there still will be a lot of abuse in the new system.
Most of those who drove untaxed vehicle will keep on doing so.
Only people who are too stupid to understand how to work out the new system will be affected.

corktina

hopefully there will be more enforcement now.

CiniO

corktina wrote: »

hopefully there will be more enforcement now.

Enforcement is the only way to force people to pay motortax.
It would work either with old and new system.

Stinicker

CiniO wrote: »

Enforcement is the only way to force people to pay motortax.
It would work either with old and new system.

Gardai in Killarney and Tralee were nabbing all the gobsh1tes who were chancing their arms and drving without Tax and had the barefaced cheek to drive their untaxed cars into the Motortax office and there was a massive crowd in the Motortax office as I went in to renew my fathers Van tax but had to abandon efforts due to all these idiots, hope many more of them are caught and fined.

timmy4u2

Stinicker wrote: »

Gardai in Killarney and Tralee were nabbing all the gobsh1tes who were chancing their arms and drving without Tax and had the barefaced cheek to drive their untaxed cars into the Motortax office and there was a massive crowd in the Motortax office as I went in to renew my fathers Van tax but had to abandon efforts due to all these idiots, hope many more of them are caught and fined.

And why are they idiots

Stinicker

timmy4u2 wrote: »

And why are they idiots

Because they didn't pay their taxes or get their paperwork done on time having had several months notice that this day was coming. Typical Irish attitude try and make a mad rush to do every thing at the very latest possible moment last minute.

timmy4u2

corktina wrote: »

it gives some idea of the amount of avoidance going on.

Today I processed eight vehicles. All above board so I hope that I am not an avoidance
Statistic

timmy4u2

corktina wrote: »

My wife is driving my Mondeo ST200 at present and a colleague told her to be careful because it's the sort of car the Gards would stop...she was amazed to hear it is taxed and NCTd, she has neither, has been in court a couple of times and has no intention of NCTing the car as it "wouldn't pass"...it's a BMW and the tax is too dear.....she cannot be alone!

The size of the quues IS an indication of the avoidance, even if only 10% are "avoiders" , it's a sizeable number.

Why would those who are avoiding put themselves on the radar by declaring, just a question, not a statement.

timmy4u2

Stinicker wrote: »

Because they didn't pay their taxes or get their paperwork done on time having had several months notice that this day was coming. Typical Irish attitude try and make a mad rush to do every thing at the very latest possible moment last minute.

As I said previously I processed eight vehicles today. Three of these were for overseas friends who nominated me so with the short notice on that aspect I had no choice.
I took my documents to the Garda Station; two minutes. I then went to the post office and bought eight stamps; two minutes. No hassle, no long lines.
Those that are going to the tax office are doing so because they are afraid that they may have done something wrong because they do not understand the Act
and there is a total lack of information on the process.
I am not a government knocker but this government have fallen down in these issues time and time again.
This legislation affects perhaps three out of four adults and that is more than will be affected by the upcoming refrendum

Fred Swanson

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timmy4u2

CiniO wrote: »

Enforcement is the only way to force people to pay motortax.
It would work either with old and new system.

It is indeed the only way. But should it waste Garda time as in the beginning car tax was processed under the Roads Act but now it is processed under the Finance Act.
This is a revenue issue and there are plenty of Revenue officials (previous Customs Officers) biding their time since the removal of borders that could do that job

dr.fuzzenstein

corktina wrote: »

hopefully there will be more enforcement now.

Can't see the Gards enforcing anything but longer tea breaks...
They couldn't catch a cold.

nino1

had my car off the road for 6 months (genuine case)
got forms signed in garda station then waited for 2 hours in tax office and couldn't wait any more so had to go back to work without getting the forms processed.
obviously I shouldn't have waited until the last minute to get it sorted but is there anything I can do now given the fact that I have the garda form signed or will I just have to pay up the 6 months tax?

galwaytt

Fred Swanson wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Indeed, I know a guy with 22 cars who has done exactly that: nothing.

Used car....'sales'....may well go up !! :pac:

SIMI will be happy

galwaytt

nino1 wrote: »

had my car off the road for 6 months (genuine case)
got forms signed in garda station then waited for 2 hours in tax office and couldn't wait any more so had to go back to work without getting the forms processed.
obviously I shouldn't have waited until the last minute to get it sorted but is there anything I can do now given the fact that I have the garda form signed or will I just have to pay up the 6 months tax?

O.M.G.
What did you go to the tax office for ? Read the multiple, multiple posts: put the form in the Co Co letterbox. Post it.

Jeez.

CiniO

nino1 wrote: »

had my car off the road for 6 months (genuine case)
got forms signed in garda station then waited for 2 hours in tax office and couldn't wait any more so had to go back to work without getting the forms processed.
obviously I shouldn't have waited until the last minute to get it sorted but is there anything I can do now given the fact that I have the garda form signed or will I just have to pay up the 6 months tax?

Transfer vehicle ownership to someone else - f.e. spouse, and then tax liability for last 6 months disappear.

galwaytt

Just saw the new on RTE now - OMFG, the queues !!

They even had a Garda at the CoCo offices to stamp your forms !

LOL LOL

timmy4u2

galwaytt wrote: »

No it doesn't. The fact that 1000's of vehicles of one kind or another are being "regularised" - does not imply that any tax was due, merely that their paperwork is/was askew. Everything from lost to out of date taxbooks to parts cars to vintage show stuff.

All are being caught up now, and a huge amount of them will never, ever need to pay any tax.

All they've done is fill the NVDB in Shannon with SISO.

I do hope that the amendments to the Act will not mean that Vintage and Veteran cars that are barn finds will not be able to be processed due to non declaration.

nino1

CiniO wrote: »

Transfer vehicle ownership to someone else - f.e. spouse, and then tax liability for last 6 months disappear.

would my insurance still be valid if the car is not in my name?

galwaytt

timmy4u2 wrote: »

I do hope that the amendments to the Act will not mean that Vintage and Veteran cars that are barn finds will not be able to be processed due to non declaration.

Good point - somewhere in the bowels of this thread I already pointed out what Galway Co Co are telling people on this, on foot of a DoE 'clarification' a few weeks ago.......which is, (and it was a friend of mine with a 1923 Model T that is 'in restoration' and which should be finished for it's 100th Anniversary (yep, 10 years away !!) - basically, he was told that for that case, which is (literally) a basket case, that he should do nothing, wait until the car is - importantly, COMPLETE - and present it to a Peace Commissioner for an affidavit to it's completion and the details (reg/frame number yada yada) and then with that they will 'regularise' it and he can tax it forward from then. For now he was told he needed to do nothing.

I suppose the thinking (sic) is that there is a possibility that the yoke will never get finished !! :P


Oh, and I have my eye on a barn with some stuff in it as well !! (not my barn )