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The Jobbridge Scandal

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    #3362
    Xenji
    Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    Chris___ wrote: »
    http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/dumped-trump-billionaire-laying-over-3554366

    That happens with quite a few hotels during the winter months, some will not even open for the weekends unless a wedding is on.


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    #3363
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    smurke wrote: »
    Those that type on computers with one figure.
    I'd prefer them to type a bit more slowly if it meant they typed the right word myself. :-)


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    #3364
    Jagdtiger
    Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭Jagdtiger


    Chris___ wrote: »
    http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DJmE0puc60Fe8S6wsdTJTsKVdP/MakcfCUyr482ozuuVDDe2LZQfXIXe9hjvkaRqY8ppojPhE1Sv6+yn+6HTbOHtJj3EvvQzfkzvUty1KZfFhfAMlUcfcxgCMX1e0P9DsLRAStVkIRkv3iofw+PNmFAqDfqj58rVk0P2qK7PRkIU+sCpVXl2MAZ/o1QWnR9nbIsVkDDa/lM0iGsYqUS4Kgpq0GSMtZ/N6GOCoqjhxEC5N42QuDqkJCO598g76yW0vFIv5OGmbH1LTvI8+VFbWt/DSg7LPQoFABXLaD22RVfBSBADmJezK7PFLTAONtoGeTWAcyui5/L/5LbAD+0dA5ZMMDxNg86UcdVp6zn4U3g9EM3WAWH4dFZ45Gygiv3Gp2xV8RGNhNnSba3QvKv1OwU6xo8huH+N4Aqlh1o2Ajpn oh and when is Borrisoleigh part of Thurles Town. Shanahans Centra

    The one part jumps out at me is to be a "fast learner"...
    what will they be doing for the other 5 and a half months while there?


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    #3365
    AlwaysAnyTime
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭AlwaysAnyTime


    The best way to protest this abomination of a scheme, is at the polls on Friday. Genuine question - Which party and specifically which politicians came up with this scheme, and which of them currently actively support it?


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    #3366
    Fred Swanson
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    #3367
    AlwaysAnyTime
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭AlwaysAnyTime


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    What is SF's views on the scheme?

    Actually, a quick google revealed links to Paul Donnelly, Mary Lou Mcdonald, and Sean Crowe criticizing the scheme.


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    #3368
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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    #3369
    AdamD
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    Ah SF, who go against every government policy and provide no reasonable solutions.


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    #3370
    masonchat
    Registered Users Posts: 663 ✭✭✭masonchat


    Chris___ wrote: »
    http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DJmE0puc60Fe8S6wsdTJTsKVdP/MakcfCUyr482ozuuVDDe2LZQfXIXe9hjvkaRqY8ppojPhE1Sv6+yn+6HTbOHtJj3EvvQzfkzvUty1KZfFhfAMlUcfcxgCMX1e0P9DsLRAStVkIRkv3iofw+PNmFAqDfqj58rVk0P2qK7PRkIU+sCpVXl2MAZ/o1QWnR9nbIsVkDDa/lM0iGsYqUS4Kgpq0GSMtZ/N6GOCoqjhxEC5N42QuDqkJCO598g76yW0vFIv5OGmbH1LTvI8+VFbWt/DSg7LPQoFABXLaD22RVfBSBADmJezK7PFLTAONtoGeTWAcyui5/L/5LbAD+0dA5ZMMDxNg86UcdVp6zn4U3g9EM3WAWH4dFZ45Gygiv3Gp2xV8RGNhNnSba3QvKv1OwU6xo8huH+N4Aqlh1o2Ajpn oh and when is Borrisoleigh part of Thurles Town. Shanahans Centra


    I was going to apply for this wonderful opportunity learn how to stack shelfs

    learn how to become an efficient cashier (those tills always looked like rocket science to me ) and what with the beep beep beep they do be doing frankly they scare me .

    Learn how to smile be polite and dress myself and tell the time

    But im worried that 9 months simply wont be long enough .

    but then i remember the defence forces put an automatic assult rifle in my hand at 17 after 16 weeks training so i felt better.

    But then my hopes were dashed as i saw you need to have achieved the leaving cert to undertake such training as this internship , GUTTED


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    #3371
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    AdamD wrote: »
    Ah SF, who go against every government policy and provide no reasonable solutions.
    Do they have to provide an alternative for you to agree Jobridge is rubbish? Or do you think Jobridge is great because SF don't?


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    #3372
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    AlwaysAnyTime wrote: »
    The best way to protest this abomination of a scheme, is at the polls on Friday. Genuine question - Which party and specifically which politicians came up with this scheme, and which of them currently actively support it?

    Labour. Joan Burton. Make 'em suffer.


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    #3373
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
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    Say one thing in opposition, do the opposite in power. Same with property tax.

    Mandatory work activity scheme

    If you’re over 18 and your Jobcentre plus advisor thinks you need more work-related skills, they can put you on a mandatory work activity scheme. You’ll have to take part in work-related activity for up to 30 hours a week over four weeks to improve your chances of getting a job. If you refuse to take part you can lose your benefit.


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    #3374
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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    #3375
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Say one thing in opposition, do the opposite in power. Same with property tax.

    Mandatory work activity scheme

    If you’re over 18 and your Jobcentre plus advisor thinks you need more work-related skills, they can put you on a mandatory work activity scheme. You’ll have to take part in work-related activity for up to 30 hours a week over four weeks to improve your chances of getting a job. If you refuse to take part you can lose your benefit.
    But that isn't Jobridge, which is mostly skill free drudge work. I hope dole officers can spot BS slavery schemes at his stage.


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    #3376
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Jagdtiger wrote: »
    The one part jumps out at me is to be a "fast learner"...
    what will they be doing for the other 5 and a half months while there?

    That's a fancy title for a Shop Assistant. There are 20 Shop Assistant placements availabe on Jobbridge in the whole country. But most of them are weeks old, as is that one. People on the dole are ignoring them.

    Let the employers put them up, a shopkeeper no doubt would considers himself as worthy as a lawyer or an architect. And let the people on the dole continue to ignore them. Otherwise who is going to decide what categories of employment or what particular jobs can be included?


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    #3377
    Bongalongherb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Say one thing in opposition, do the opposite in power. Same with property tax.

    Mandatory work activity scheme

    If you’re over 18 and your Jobcentre plus advisor thinks you need more work-related skills, they can put you on a mandatory work activity scheme. You’ll have to take part in work-related activity for up to 30 hours a week over four weeks to improve your chances of getting a job. If you refuse to take part you can lose your benefit.

    As far as I know jobbridge is only mandatory for 25's and younger. ie: the youth guarantee scheme.


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    #3378
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Bongalongherb wrote: »
    As far as I know jobbridge is only mandatory for 25's and younger. ie: the youth guarantee scheme.
    Does that mean they get 50 on top of their already unexplained cut rate dole? So nobody is on 250, more like 150 or 200 EUR.


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    #3379
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Bongalongherb wrote: »
    As far as I know jobbridge is only mandatory for 25's and younger. ie: the youth guarantee scheme.

    Jobbridge is not mandatory for anyone. There is a maximum of 8,500 placements at any one time, so how could that accommodate a mandatory involvement for everyone under 25 on the dole? Plenty of people over 25 have done the scheme as well.

    http://www.jobbridge.ie/toolkit/JobBridgeData.pdf


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    #3380
    Bongalongherb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Jobbridge is not mandatory for anyone. There is a maximum of 8,500 placements at any one time, so how could that accommodate a mandatory involvement for everyone under 25 on the dole? Plenty of people over 25 have done the scheme as well.

    http://www.jobbridge.ie/toolkit/JobBridgeData.pdf

    When a person of 25 or under signs on, they have to sign a document that says they will comply to seeking jobbridge work. They are told that by refusing a jobbridge placement they will be cut off the dole. Like I said, this is what I heard as to jobbridge being mandatory for 25's and under.


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    #3381
    Bongalongherb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    SOCIAL PROTECTION MINISTER Joan Burton has said that if young unemployed people fail to apply or accept some additional opportunities on the JobBridge national internship scheme they could face a cut in their dole payment.

    Source: http://www.thejournal.ie/joan-burton-job-bridge-young-unemployed-1286867-Jan2014/


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    #3382
    [Deleted User]
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    Bongalongherb wrote: »
    When a person of 25 or under signs on, they have to sign a document that says they will comply to seeking jobbridge work. They are told that by refusing a jobbridge placement they will be cut off the dole. Like I said, this is what I heard as to jobbridge being mandatory for 25's and under.

    Can you show where it actually says that? To the best of my knowledge, the words used are if they refuse to engage with Dept of Social Protection, their payment will be reduced. As others have stated, JobBridge is NOT mandatory, TUS and Gateway are.

    You have replaced the word "could" with the word "will", giving a different meaning to what is actually said.


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    #3383
    Bongalongherb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Can you show where it actually says that? To the best of my knowledge, the words used are if they refuse to engage with Dept of Social Protection, their payment will be reduced. As others have stated, JobBridge is NOT mandatory, TUS and Gateway are.

    You have replaced the word "could" with the word "will", giving a different meaning to what is actually said.

    I already made it abundantly clear that this is "what I heard". But if 25's and under fail to take on a jobbridge placement when offered they will be cut or cut off. So basically it is mandatory.


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    #3384
    [Deleted User]
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    Bongalongherb wrote: »
    I already made it abundantly clear that this is "what I heard". But if 25's and under fail to take on a jobbridge placement when offered they will be cut or cut off. So basically it is mandatory.

    So, if they apply for an internship and it isn't what they want they WILL be cut or they COULD be cut? Heresay isn't fact.
    BTW, I'm not a fan of JobBridge as it is run. Internships in their true meaning are invaluable to new graduates. Meanial jobs do not need 9 months training. If these were limited to something like 9 weeks, then it would be better all round.
    "Will" and "Could" are Worlds apart in meaning.


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    #3385
    Bongalongherb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    Deleted User wrote: »
    So, if they apply for an internship and it isn't what they want they WILL be cut or they COULD be cut? Heresay isn't fact.
    BTW, I'm not a fan of JobBridge as it is run. Internships in their true meaning are invaluable to new graduates. Meanial jobs do not need 9 months training. If these were limited to something like 9 weeks, then it would be better all round.
    "Will" and "Could" are Worlds apart in meaning.

    Look just do some googling and you will see that what I have said is correct. I'm not going to argue with you over this.


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    #3386
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,298 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    AlwaysAnyTime wrote: »
    The best way to protest this abomination of a scheme, is at the polls on Friday. Genuine question - Which party and specifically which politicians came up with this scheme, and which of them currently actively support it?
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Labour. Joan Burton. Make 'em suffer.

    In actual fact, it was a combination of FG and Labour and copied, somewhat, from a German scheme, I believe.

    Saying that, as a lefty, I am appalled that Labour have supported (or even started) this abomination, never mind their support for the other nonsense we've endured under this government.

    There is now, literally, no major party that I can vote for in this country.


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    #3387
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    Bongalongherb wrote: »
    Look just do some googling and you will see that what I have said is correct. I'm not going to argue with you over this.

    And I am not going to let false claims be made, just because someone doesn't like the subject! I suggest you google or look up in the Oxford English Dictionary the words
    "Will" http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/will and
    "Could" http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/could


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    #3388
    Cantona's Collars
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    Tony EH wrote: »
    In actual fact, it was a combination of FG and Labour and copied, somewhat, from a German scheme, I believe.

    Saying that, as a lefty, I am appalled that Labour have supported (or even started) this abomination, never mind their support for the other nonsense we've endured under this government.

    There is now, literally, no major party that I can vote for in this country.

    My grandfather would be turning in his grave the way Labour have turned out.They have turned their backs on every principle they once stood for.


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    #3389
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,298 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There will be many, many people's grandfathers spinning in their graves over modern day Labour.

    You could run the national grid from the energy produced.


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    #3390
    Bongalongherb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,766 ✭✭✭Bongalongherb


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And I am not going to let false claims be made, just because someone doesn't like the subject! I suggest you google or look up in the Oxford English Dictionary the words
    "Will" http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/will and
    "Could" http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/could

    What part do you not understand ? It is as clear as day that if 25's and under fail to comply to do jobbridge they WILL be cut or cut off, how hard can it be for you to understand this ?.


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    #3391
    [Deleted User]
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    Bongalongherb wrote: »
    What part do you not understand ? It is as clear as day that if 25's and under fail to comply to do jobbridge they WILL be cut or cut off, how hard can it be for you to understand this ?.

    This is the link you quoted "Under-25s who fail to accept some JobBridge internships could face dole cut"

    It clearly states "could" not "will"


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