The Jobbridge Scandal

Mrs Garth Brooks

Just fcuking brilliant. An oil truck driver.

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DKoxy6U2g/GdMFJxKJtsS+mzGfbYB3Es09XcqdSFbB9janhkC0RNl+VqGXWMAm1mT1rPXr0btCR6XDRcwjmY3IE3+vUOmO/CFZcakudmw9Zo3RUCZRK4dfE3tmg/E6r0XDt2enz1DO2g7wPsYhRoPooFybvui94PRLf+7exejuTBs7xYMr5EGF0BAjCU8S27ZPFVk3p/5lyL7Xa4OOqCCSe6jhRLn6/7FESS2uXLfQ/mCbGZp1e51XJudFMnkKifAl0eZdjXOdbtxL+0SPEiCa6ZMNIVh5onl5QpJeoMhI64JB3u6+SLMKwD22JbdNOgva+V+6awaf8hfxlnObLdw6jEBOn6YBFrFNyaBCYkGMPX2FFJxiQ6fZIznknBwPBnvot7Gha4Rs/UGgW15VciY3Lr2Gkhbvt/jA==

The intern will gain skills manovering a lorry in busy towns.....they have a lorry licence, you bloody eejit and probably already know how to drive a lorry.

jimgoose

HardLuckWoman wrote: »

...The intern will gain skills manovering a lorry in busy towns.....they have a lorry licence, you bloody eejit and probably already know how to drive a lorry.

€50-a-week internship for a qualified HGV driver with CPC and Hazchem certification. A brave new world indeed.

Tony EH

That is just depressing.

There really is a determined effort being made to devalue labour in this country.

Mrs Garth Brooks

jimgoose wrote: »

€50-a-week internship for a qualified HGV driver with CPC and Hazchem certification. A brave new world indeed.

Its worse its getting.

del roy

Vote Labour (the workers party)

sold the working class out in the last coalition and did even worst in this one,

I wonder how many of them would work for €50 a week.

don't forget to pay them back tomorrow.

Tony EH

It's not just Labour that's the problem.

keano89

HardLuckWoman wrote: »

Just fcuking brilliant. An oil truck driver.

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DKoxy6U2g/GdMFJxKJtsS+mzGfbYB3Es09XcqdSFbB9janhkC0RNl+VqGXWMAm1mT1rPXr0btCR6XDRcwjmY3IE3+vUOmO/CFZcakudmw9Zo3RUCZRK4dfE3tmg/E6r0XDt2enz1DO2g7wPsYhRoPooFybvui94PRLf+7exejuTBs7xYMr5EGF0BAjCU8S27ZPFVk3p/5lyL7Xa4OOqCCSe6jhRLn6/7FESS2uXLfQ/mCbGZp1e51XJudFMnkKifAl0eZdjXOdbtxL+0SPEiCa6ZMNIVh5onl5QpJeoMhI64JB3u6+SLMKwD22JbdNOgva+V+6awaf8hfxlnObLdw6jEBOn6YBFrFNyaBCYkGMPX2FFJxiQ6fZIznknBwPBnvot7Gha4Rs/UGgW15VciY3Lr2Gkhbvt/jA==

The intern will gain skills manovering a lorry in busy towns.....they have a lorry licence, you bloody eejit and probably already know how to drive a lorry.

There is no difference between that and one that requires someone to have a college degree.

The idea is that job bridge should be open to all those looking for experience, the skilled, unskilled, semi-skilled etc. it shouldn't matter.

The 9 months spent in that role looks a lot better on a CV than a big blank.

Sends out a positive signal that you have a good work ethic.

PopePalpatine

keano89 wrote: »

There is no difference between that and one that requires someone to have a college degree.

The idea is that job bridge should be open to all those looking for experience, the skilled, unskilled, semi-skilled etc. it shouldn't matter.

The 9 months spent in that role looks a lot better on a CV than a big blank.

Sends out a positive signal that you have a good work ethic.

Oh for fuck's sake...

The only "positive" signal doing a Jobbridge internship as a truck driver is, "This guy will let employers fuck them hard!"

This is a role that already requires a specific licence just to drive trucks. What would the intern/slave learn in 9 months that they didn't learn while getting their licence?!

osarusan

PopePalpatine wrote: »

What would the intern/slave learn in 9 months that they didn't learn while getting their licence?!

practical experience

practical experience

practical experience

Phil_Lives

No beneficial additional skills or practical experience will be acquired driving a truck for 9 months which weren't already in the employee's possession.
I am curious to see how monitoring and mentoring can be achieved without another member of staff present in the cab for those 9 months.

jimgoose

PopePalpatine wrote: »

...This is a role that already requires a specific licence just to drive trucks...

You also need Hazardous Chemical ("Hazchem") training and certification before you can operate an oil-tanker.

keano89

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Oh for fuck's sake...

The only "positive" signal doing a Jobbridge internship as a truck driver is, "This guy will let employers fuck them hard!"

This is a role that already requires a specific licence just to drive trucks. What would the intern/slave learn in 9 months that they didn't learn while getting their licence?!

Dealing with customers would be the biggest one I'd imagine.

I don't see hows its any different to a computer graduate working as intern in a software company. They would already have had to do coding etc. while getting the degree. Its the experience they are lacking same as the truck driver.

PopePalpatine

keano89 wrote: »

Dealing with customers would be the biggest one I'd imagine.

I don't see hows its any different to a computer graduate working as intern in a software company. They would already have had to do coding etc. while getting the degree. Its the experience they are lacking same as the truck driver.

They're TRUCK DRIVERS. Unless they own their own truck and run their own haulage company, dealing with customers isn't going to be high priority. It doesn't take nine months to learn how to deal with customers.

Mr McBoatface

HardLuckWoman wrote: »

Just fcuking brilliant. An oil truck driver.

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DKoxy6U2g/GdMFJxKJtsS+mzGfbYB3Es09XcqdSFbB9janhkC0RNl+VqGXWMAm1mT1rPXr0btCR6XDRcwjmY3IE3+vUOmO/CFZcakudmw9Zo3RUCZRK4dfE3tmg/E6r0XDt2enz1DO2g7wPsYhRoPooFybvui94PRLf+7exejuTBs7xYMr5EGF0BAjCU8S27ZPFVk3p/5lyL7Xa4OOqCCSe6jhRLn6/7FESS2uXLfQ/mCbGZp1e51XJudFMnkKifAl0eZdjXOdbtxL+0SPEiCa6ZMNIVh5onl5QpJeoMhI64JB3u6+SLMKwD22JbdNOgva+V+6awaf8hfxlnObLdw6jEBOn6YBFrFNyaBCYkGMPX2FFJxiQ6fZIznknBwPBnvot7Gha4Rs/UGgW15VciY3Lr2Gkhbvt/jA==

The intern will gain skills manovering a lorry in busy towns.....they have a lorry licence, you bloody eejit and probably already know how to drive a lorry.

Jobsbridge is being used to help provide some cover for the black market. I know of positions very much like the above where a person/s was being paid cash in hand while claiming jobseekers. The employer and the lads involved went down the jobsbridge road to cover their arses. The employer doesn't care as it cost him no extra and the lads who where scamming the dole to begin with is now getting 50 euro extra.....

I know of several interns that are involved in this kind of goings on.

keano89

PopePalpatine wrote: »

They're TRUCK DRIVERS. Unless they own their own truck and run their own haulage company, dealing with customers isn't going to be high priority. It doesn't take nine months to learn how to deal with customers.

So your saying that just because they are truck drivers they shouldn't be allowed onto the job bridge scheme?

How is that fair? They should have the choice themselves whether they want to go on the job bridge.

osarusan

keano89 wrote: »

So your saying that just because they are truck drivers and don't have 3rd level education they shouldn't be allowed onto the job bridge scheme and should just sit at home?

Worst strawman ever.

SeamusFX

How does it take 9 months of working for FREE to learn how to deal with customers, unless it's a very specialised job that requires very extensive training? Even most students who get there first job working with customers are given no more than a couple of minutes explaining what they need to do and in most repetitive jobs in a day or two the new employee is almost as much of an expert as the ones that have been there for years. Wake up to reality that this is no more than a scam and if you really believe this is valuable training, then I have a good internship for you.

Xenji

A very popular hotel in Westport has a Night Porter internship up at the moment.

PopePalpatine

keano89 wrote: »

So your saying that just because they are truck drivers and don't have 3rd level education they shouldn't be allowed onto the job bridge scheme and should just sit at home?

How is that fair? They should have the choice themselves whether they want to go on the job bridge.

I'm saying that the truck company shouldn't be abusing Jobbridge! BTW, what truck driver in Ireland would work for €238p/w?!

keano89

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I'm saying that the truck company shouldn't be abusing Jobbridge! BTW, what truck driver in Ireland would work for €238p/w?!

It should be up to the job applicant and solas to decide if that is the case.

I wonder when will they decide to discontinue job bridge so that fully paid internships return?

dharma200

it shouldn't be up to anyone. If a company needs staff to fulfill roles they should create a real job and pay a real wage.

Mrs Garth Brooks

All we need is a "wipe my hole" internship.

PopePalpatine

keano89 wrote: »

It should be up to the job applicant and solas to decide if that is the case.

I wonder when will they decide to discontinue job bridge so that fully paid internships return?

We've seen posters in here describing how poorly Solas deal with internships which are complained about.

Jagdtiger

keano89 wrote: »

So your saying that just because they are truck drivers and don't have 3rd level education they shouldn't be allowed onto the job bridge scheme and should just sit at home?

No they shouldn't, they should be paid to drive... what honest company in the right state of mind would leave someone that they think needs to learn skills maneuvering in busy towns in control of a lorry full of oil?

Seems they will trust them enough to move the oil, but not enough to pay them to do it.

Tarzana

Phil_Lives wrote: »

I am curious to see how monitoring and mentoring can be achieved without another member of staff present in the cab for those 9 months.

And the ad actually claims there'll be "constant mentoring". Really? REALLY? I don't think anyone, even in a great internship, would expect constant mentoring.

Resonator75

So is this it for the future then? the new standard? If you've been away from work / are newly qualified etc its gonna be 9 months working for free in the vague hope of a job?

Destroy the labor market and call it success.

Sure if we all work for free we can have 100% employment and the the politicos can slap themselves on the back and tell us all how great they are.



F**K you FG/ LAB.

Tarzana

osarusan wrote: »

Worst strawman ever.

Trumps permabear from earlier in the thread.

SeamusFX

osarusan wrote: »

practical experience

What's really sad about this JobBridge Scam, is a lot of young and naive people think it's great and they don't care if they are taking away a job from a more experienced person, because it's helping themselves get experience. Unfortunately what they don't know is when their 9 months are up, many employers will just say thank you for working for €50/week for the past 9 months and then replace them with the next young and naive sucker for €50/week. This could be an endless cycle and where will it all end? Sadly, these JobBridge Scam and equivalent free internships are popping up all over the place and the free internships are not just in Ireland, but it's becoming a new model for free and cheap labour for many multinationals worldwide and in some cases in very technical and/or critical jobs.

Resonator75

SeamusFX wrote: »

What's really sad about this JobBridge Scam, is a lot of young and naive people think it's great and they don't care if they are taking away a job from a more experienced person, because it's helping themselves get experience. Unfortunately what they don't know is when their 9 months are up, many employers will just say thank you for working for €50/week for the past 9 months and then replace them with the next young and naive sucker for €50/week. This could be an endless cycle and where will it all end? Sadly, these JobBridge Scam and equivalent free internships are popping up all over the place and the free internships are not just in Ireland, but it's becoming a new model for free and cheap labour for many multinationals worldwide and in some cases in very technical and/or critical jobs.

Nail on the head. Its like some warped charity for business / capitalists.

Its quite Orwellian, supposed to benefit the job seeker when in reality its destroying real jobs and creating a some kind of serfdom status for us job seekers.

Now I know there are a few worthy and good JB positions out there but I'd guess that they will become the minority as more business are allowed to get their toilets cleaned for free and have their tea and sandwiches made by some half invisible minions.

Im so mad about this set up. Time to take dogs for a walk

DamagedTrax

from the point of a small niche business, this jobbridge joke is also affecting industries that have traditionally relied on interns. audio, post production etc.

you went into these jobs, worked for little to nothing but you gained training, knowledge and experience from working with professionals. if you were good enough you progressed up the ladder asap, as nobody in a high stakes, client based industry wants to retrain a new kid every few months. the ideal situation is a kid comes in, keeps the head down and within a year can be put on staff with pay.

we now have kids walk into our studio, thinking they know everything and expecting to get paid. as soon as you mention that its an unpaid internship they start moaning about jobbridge/9 month internships that lead nowhere.

we're a small business, we want to pay interns with training and progress them. we're flexible with their time as we understand that they may have to work another job to make ends meet. unfortunately its a very specific type of person we need and the governments hair brained schemes are poisoning the youth against the worthwhile internships as they think that 'internship' now means being trained to stack shelves :mad: