The Jobbridge Scandal

Tony EH · 22-05-2014 2:16pm

HardLuckWoman wrote: »

All we need is a "wipe my hole" internship.

The intern will gain practical experience in...

Fred Swanson · 22-05-2014 4:41pm

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TwoShedsJackson · 22-05-2014 5:03pm

Tony EH wrote: »

The intern will gain practical experience in...

... the removal of clags, winnits, and dangleberries.

h2005 · 22-05-2014 7:59pm

Could anyone tell me what the gateway interview process is. Three hours seems a bit excessive for an interview.

Xenji · 22-05-2014 8:10pm

h2005 wrote: »

Could anyone tell me what the gateway interview process is. Three hours seems a bit excessive for an interview.

Interview? There is no interview its mandatory or they will cut your claim out so our department were told, we had around 40 people in last month for training in 6 courses over a 2 week period, we had to send a form up to the new Intreo office every morning stating that the people have attended or they would have their claim cut. The ones that that were refusing to do it or had an excuse not to do it are now gonna be starting their training at the start of next month, there does not seem anyway out of not doing it if you are called for it.

You get 6 decent courses free though, although that could change between the various local authorities and you also get a full set of PPE gear out of it as well, although the jobs are very menial just as maintaining council estates, litter picking, painting the council building ect.

Fred Swanson · 22-05-2014 8:15pm

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Xenji · 22-05-2014 8:17pm

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Must be in the social welfare office then, they went straight into training with us.

h2005 · 22-05-2014 8:17pm

Fred Swanson wrote: »

It is probably an induction not an interview.

It says interview in the letter and also that there will have to be a process of garda vetting.

Fred Swanson · 22-05-2014 8:24pm

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h2005 · 22-05-2014 8:30pm

Thanks for the replies

Xenji · 22-05-2014 8:30pm

h2005 wrote: »

It says interview in the letter and also that there will have to be a process of garda vetting.

They are tending to some of the primary school grounds and playgrounds here so they could be around children hence the vetting, if you get past the vetting though you have no say in the matter the interview is a formality, as if you do not do it you will see your payment cut.

The scheme breaks EU law as no one can not be forced into compulsory labour, as stated under the European convention of human rights, Article 4 Section 2, although a UK judge dismissed that argument, but said that most back to work schemes involving mandatory work were unlawful.

sligoface · 24-05-2014 5:26am

There's no way in hell that Gateway is going to improve people's prospects of getting work. You can't put it on a CV. The skills (litter picking, etc.) are not in demand. An internship at least shows initiative because you work for free voluntarily. But employers will never want someone who had to be forced to work in a menial job. Just proves that these schemes are a right wing agenda to try and satisfy people who judge all the unemployed as lazy parasites.

And also guided by the idea that there is work out there for these people, they just don't want to do it, but they would do it if the alternative was to be forced into slaving for the council. Which is totally inaccurate, there are not even anywhere near enough jobs for even the unemployed people who have skills and/or education and experience and a desire to work. Because the country is fcked. We haven't turned any corner. Vast numbers have immigrated, and now people are being forced onto schemes to lower the live register. Businesses are still closing in record numbers. We can't even see the corner.

These work for dole schemes might have been justifiable during the boom, but they cannot be justified in the current economy. And they won't help the people being forced on them to get work. Even if you never mentioned Gateway and just put down the county council as your past employer, I'm sure recruiters and HR people will cop on fairly quickly to what a long gap on a CV followed by a stint working for the council in some menial capacity really means, and you won't get hired. Not with the amount of people applying for every vacancy. Not a chance.

The Gateway scheme is completely unnecessary and nonsensical. And it's shameful. Traditionally, people did community service because they either did it voluntarily out of a sense of community, or were forced as a punishment for a criminal offense. Forcing it on people simply because they are unemployed when there is no paid work to be had should definitely be considered a violation of human rights.

When a politician retires in this country, well before retirement age, they get a pension which dwarfs the dole, and never have to do another stitch of work. And plenty of them will have done more damage, or allowed more damage to happen, than any poor person who is stuck on the dole. But yet these same people have now taken it upon themselves to force people to work for the dole, on top of all the new taxes and cuts which are crippling so many households. Unconscionable.

Hope someone starts a thread on Gateway, would be interesting to hear their experience. I wonder what do they do in the case of someone who is a single parent with a young child, for example. Is childcare provided?

Mrs Garth Brooks · 24-05-2014 10:50am

To be selected for the gateway scheme you have to be on the dole for 2 years.

Thats really bad as it. But the gateway scheme lasts 22 months. An extra 2 years.

Thats absolutely demoralising ****.

It should really offer some meaningful course or work instead. And try to think of the people instead of figures of the live register.

Not litter picking, painting walls or grass cutting. Thats community service, for a crime you didn't do.

I mentioned something here last week about an emigration grant. Seriously, they should consider it.

PopePalpatine · 24-05-2014 11:27am

sligoface wrote: »

When a politician retires in this country, well before retirement age, they get a pension which dwarfs the dole, and never have to do another stitch of work. And plenty of them will have done more damage, or allowed more damage to happen, than any poor person who is stuck on the dole. But yet these same people have now taken it upon themselves to force people to work for the dole, on top of all the new taxes and cuts which are crippling so many households. Unconscionable.

And don't forget, if they were a minister they'd get a nice cushy job as a director of a company worth at least hundreds of millions of euro.

sligoface · 24-05-2014 12:10pm

The thing is th government feel they can do what they like to the unemployed without recourse. Even if it is against EU law, they feel they can get away with it because a poor person cant lawyer up and take them to court.

Since you have to be garda vetted, presumably speak English fluently, it will be the ordinary Irish born law abiding citizens targeted here, the ones who will make up numbers without being too much hassle.

Sligo Co. Council is bankrupt, I'll bet in a year we'll read a report about having the highest rate of people on Gateway. We already have the highest percentage of people on Jobbridge. And the highest rate of shop vacancies on a single street.

Instead of forcing people to work for the council, why not create real waged jobs and get rid of the ridiculous commercial rates so businesses can stay open and employ people?

Mrs Garth Brooks · 24-05-2014 12:21pm

The thing I dont get is, how are these jobs now magically appearing on the gateway scheme ?

Xenji · 24-05-2014 12:43pm

HardLuckWoman wrote: »

The thing I dont get is, how are these jobs now magically appearing on the gateway scheme ?

Caretakers having either left the Council or have retired, due to the hiring freeze they cannot replace these and nobody is gonna take up a temporary contract just to do their work, so the people on the Gateway scheme will be doing their jobs and then some, plus it saves the Councils money by not having to put these jobs out to tender as well.

Fred Swanson · 24-05-2014 2:13pm

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Xenji · 24-05-2014 2:20pm

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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They do actually have a uniform, they all got free matching PPE gear and jumpsuits at the start of their training.

Mrs Garth Brooks · 24-05-2014 2:22pm

Xenji wrote: »

They do actually have a uniform, they all got free matching PPE gear and jumpsuits at the start of their training.

What about an ankle ball and chain ?

dxhound2005 · 24-05-2014 2:27pm

sligoface wrote: »

The thing is th government feel they can do what they like to the unemployed without recourse. Even if it is against EU law, they feel they can get away with it because a poor person cant lawyer up and take them to court.

Since you have to be garda vetted, presumably speak English fluently, it will be the ordinary Irish born law abiding citizens targeted here, the ones who will make up numbers without being too much hassle.

Sligo Co. Council is bankrupt, I'll bet in a year we'll read a report about having the highest rate of people on Gateway. We already have the highest percentage of people on Jobbridge. And the highest rate of shop vacancies on a single street.

Instead of forcing people to work for the council, why not create real waged jobs and get rid of the ridiculous commercial rates so businesses can stay open and employ people?

You never miss an opportunity to tell us that Sligo recently had the highest percentage of any county on Jobbridge. As if that was somehow significant. In fact it translates to 507 people in Sligo ever having done a Jobbridge placement. And just 144 on the scheme when this was written.

http://www.thejournal.ie/jobbridge-placements-breakdown-per-county-march-1375970-Mar2014/

There are currently only 40 places being advertised in the county, but many are weeks old. With 5,000 on the Live Register there it is obvious that nobody is being forced into Jobbridge and it is only a minimal element of the employment scene.

http://intern.jobbridge.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrlmOYU5gMZQYfCBe63sXdX1w5KdjcI6KB9QiM+cgurHyeZril30oQQKOTRjmyfXET+OKz6U37OV2t+z0k9+Zep2zqy1XcmJEZm0bQ8QC65c92HmBiAR3qZouIeVyGgZFjk9rYx0pzYIpy2CVD+WIiBFeM29UIDs/jz2oT4ATg0FSRFc691oRxtd6Q1GbHOEGqreMkivSOruChO7fkyinNpdq7Gq/ygQxFP4tvWQ63QpkkzBL/7aCu+J5rn1OqkYviS4xUb2az4snPl03qJhl5GRrdUbo+LOr89UmhDqWXpuzJW3qlzY4iku671Frh/Ilk9mfWmMdhVKmtb/Vdyxy6yPsQKWZfvol05ckOMjCmwq6s1+gX1ZJddNeQ2a1QxlTjn280sgHRNcsF6UoecPQpWgILggwaDD3peCUa/z6o6Jwb/0SPQZrdAX/o4qmqrTGR

Away from Sligo and maybe in Sligo there must be jobs to be got given the high numbers of people coming here from abroad to work. Even those foreigners including non EU nationals who are supposed to be studying in English language colleges are apparently at work instead of in the colleges.

Some people are not cut out for training or education, the type that couldn't wait to get out of school. And some others are more cut out to be permanent students rather than for the world of work. I was reading another thread here about people who walked away from jobs that they already had.

If you have a particular complaint about Jobbridge or anything else you needn't worry about not being able to afford to lawyer up. There are plenty of lawyers just waiting to take on any sort of case at the taxpayers expense.

sligoface · 24-05-2014 5:51pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You never miss an opportunity to tell us that Sligo recently had the highest percentage of any county on Jobbridge. As if that was somehow significant. In fact it translates to 507 people in Sligo ever having done a Jobbridge placement. And just 144 on the scheme when this was written.

http://www.thejournal.ie/jobbridge-placements-breakdown-per-county-march-1375970-Mar2014/

There are currently only 40 places being advertised in the county, but many are weeks old. With 5,000 on the Live Register there it is obvious that nobody is being forced into Jobbridge and it is only a minimal element of the employment scene.

http://intern.jobbridge.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrlmOYU5gMZQYfCBe63sXdX1w5KdjcI6KB9QiM+cgurHyeZril30oQQKOTRjmyfXET+OKz6U37OV2t+z0k9+Zep2zqy1XcmJEZm0bQ8QC65c92HmBiAR3qZouIeVyGgZFjk9rYx0pzYIpy2CVD+WIiBFeM29UIDs/jz2oT4ATg0FSRFc691oRxtd6Q1GbHOEGqreMkivSOruChO7fkyinNpdq7Gq/ygQxFP4tvWQ63QpkkzBL/7aCu+J5rn1OqkYviS4xUb2az4snPl03qJhl5GRrdUbo+LOr89UmhDqWXpuzJW3qlzY4iku671Frh/Ilk9mfWmMdhVKmtb/Vdyxy6yPsQKWZfvol05ckOMjCmwq6s1+gX1ZJddNeQ2a1QxlTjn280sgHRNcsF6UoecPQpWgILggwaDD3peCUa/z6o6Jwb/0SPQZrdAX/o4qmqrTGR

Away from Sligo and maybe in Sligo there must be jobs to be got given the high numbers of people coming here from abroad to work. Even those foreigners including non EU nationals who are supposed to be studying in English language colleges are apparently at work instead of in the colleges.

Some people are not cut out for training or education, the type that couldn't wait to get out of school. And some others are more cut out to be permanent students rather than for the world of work. I was reading another thread here about people who walked away from jobs that they already had.

If you have a particular complaint about Jobbridge or anything else you needn't worry about not being able to afford to lawyer up. There are plenty of lawyers just waiting to take on any sort of case at the taxpayers expense.

And you never miss an opportunity to jump in and cut and paste links, the same ones, usually. Tiresome tbh. You forgot your old favorite, the cso report!

Yes, currently 43 internships. And 40 jobs. Minimal part of the employment scene? Not significant? Ok, mate. Deny the obvious some more.

Tell me, does having the highest rate of vacant businesses on a single street sound like things are going well here? Do you think we have the highest rate of participation because we are just all so enthusiastic we love working for free, or because the situation here is so desperate and jobs are so scarce people are doing anything to get a foot in the door?

Did you read the thread? The last post where I was talking about litigation we were talking about Gateway which IS compulsory free labor. And so will jobbridge be soon for young people.

I'm not going to bother responding to your weak cut and paste arguments any more, you want to lap up the government spun numbers and deny the obvious, that we are being lied to about the unemployment rate, that real jobs are being replaced by internships, that the government intends to force those who are unemployed due to the recession they didn't cause into unwaged labor, and that they are using jobbridge interns to fill county council positions which cannot lead to a job, then I'll leave you to it. You're happy enough because you aren't facing what the young people in this country are facing. I get it.

Last thing, your theory about loads coming here to work because we have so many opportunities kind of falls apart when you consider that 89,000 people (57% irish) left last year versus 55,900 coming in. So the amount who left from this small population dwarfs the amount who came in from the whole rest of the world by a good sized margin. Want me to post a link to the numbers?

snubbleste · 24-05-2014 6:12pm

one socialist candidate told by Social Welfare he would be forced onto JobBridge if not elected
https://twitter.com/PaulFedayn/status/470249400351334401

Cantona's Collars · 24-05-2014 6:58pm

I just looked up jobs in Wexford,there's 20 jobs on the first page: Half are internships or CE Schemes.

Iwasfrozen · 24-05-2014 7:50pm

sligoface wrote: »

The thing is th government feel they can do what they like to the unemployed without recourse. Even if it is against EU law, they feel they can get away with it because a poor person cant lawyer up and take them to court.

Since you have to be garda vetted, presumably speak English fluently, it will be the ordinary Irish born law abiding citizens targeted here, the ones who will make up numbers without being too much hassle.

Sligo Co. Council is bankrupt, I'll bet in a year we'll read a report about having the highest rate of people on Gateway. We already have the highest percentage of people on Jobbridge. And the highest rate of shop vacancies on a single street.

Instead of forcing people to work for the council, why not create real waged jobs and get rid of the ridiculous commercial rates so businesses can stay open and employ people?

How does the government "create" jobs?

What will these people do?

Who will pay them?

Where will the money come from?

dxhound2005 · 24-05-2014 8:40pm

sligoface wrote: »

And you never miss an opportunity to jump in and cut and paste links, the same ones, usually. Tiresome tbh. You forgot your old favorite, the cso report!

Yes, currently 43 internships. And 40 jobs. Minimal part of the employment scene? Not significant? Ok, mate. Deny the obvious some more.

Tell me, does having the highest rate of vacant businesses on a single street sound like things are going well here? Do you think we have the highest rate of participation because we are just all so enthusiastic we love working for free, or because the situation here is so desperate and jobs are so scarce people are doing anything to get a foot in the door?

Did you read the thread? The last post where I was talking about litigation we were talking about Gateway which IS compulsory free labor. And so will jobbridge be soon for young people.

I'm not going to bother responding to your weak cut and paste arguments any more, you want to lap up the government spun numbers and deny the obvious, that we are being lied to about the unemployment rate, that real jobs are being replaced by internships, that the government intends to force those who are unemployed due to the recession they didn't cause into unwaged labor, and that they are using jobbridge interns to fill county council positions which cannot lead to a job, then I'll leave you to it. You're happy enough because you aren't facing what the young people in this country are facing. I get it.

Last thing, your theory about loads coming here to work because we have so many opportunities kind of falls apart when you consider that 89,000 people (57% irish) left last year versus 55,900 coming in. So the amount who left from this small population dwarfs the amount who came in from the whole rest of the world by a good sized margin. Want me to post a link to the numbers?

Just tell me the information relevant to discussion. How many of the Irish people who emigrated were unemployed? I don't consider a net migration of 33,000 in any way significant. People move around the world for various reasons all the time. Like the English language students I mentioned which you conveniently overlooked.

But congratulation on finding out the figures. I'm sorry it annoys you when I copy and paste statistics (is there some other way of doing it) that rubbish your theories about Jobbridge. Please don't disparage the CSO, they are real people doing real jobs producing real statistics. But people on here are not interested in real statistics, they prefer to make up their own so that they can have a rant about them.

NZ_2014 · 24-05-2014 8:56pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Just tell me the information relevant to discussion. How many of the Irish people who emigrated were unemployed? I don't consider a net migration of 33,000 in any way significant. People move around the world for various reasons all the time. Like the English language students I mentioned which you conveniently overlooked.

But congratulation on finding out the figures. I'm sorry it annoys you when I copy and paste statistics (is there some other way of doing it) that rubbish your theories about Jobbridge. Please don't disparage the CSO, they are real people doing real jobs producing real statistics. But people on here are not interested in real statistics, they prefer to make up their own so that they can have a rant about them.

Do we have somebody here, with an agenda, flying the flag of free labour for his business?

flutered · 24-05-2014 9:03pm

burton and bruton were told yesterday by the majority of the electorate re their schemes of fake employment, these schemes help only the employer who has to contribute zilch, the hardpressed taxpayer shells out all the time.

DubVelo · 24-05-2014 9:09pm

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

How does the government "create" jobs?

What will these people do?

Who will pay them?

Where will the money come from?

The government does not create jobs directly itself. What it does (or should do) is create an environment that is hospitable to people starting up new businesses and allows SMEs to expand and take on more staff, creating employment and generating tax receipts.

Iwasfrozen · 24-05-2014 9:12pm

DubVelo wrote: »

The government does not create jobs directly itself. What it does (or should do) is create an environment that is hospitable to people starting up new businesses and allows SMEs to expand and take on more staff, creating employment and generating tax receipts.

I would agree but Sligoface seems to think the government should actually create skilled jobs for unemployed people.

The Jobbridge Scandal

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