The Jobbridge Scandal

dxhound2005

DubVelo wrote: »

The government does not create jobs directly itself. What it does (or should do) is create an environment that is hospitable to people starting up new businesses and allows SMEs to expand and take on more staff, creating employment and generating tax receipts.

There seems to be no shortage of new start up businesses. Sorry for copying and pasting. Have you some expertise in this area yourself?

http://www.vision-net.ie/barometerNewByWeek.jsp?t=1

DubVelo

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There seems to be no shortage of new start up businesses. Sorry for copying and pasting. Have you some expertise in this area yourself?

http://www.vision-net.ie/barometerNewByWeek.jsp?t=1

I wouldn't say expertise, but I am aware anecdotally of businesses that have been put under by business rates, have heard first hand others worried about whether they'll be able to stay open because they're not sure they have the turnover to cover their rates, and that you can easily be facing a bill for rates well into the thousands from the council before you've even had a customer step through the door.

Now that's a very scary proposition for a first time entrepreneur.

On top of which is the prospect that you may not qualify for unemployment benefit if you fail as you cannot make PAYE contributions towards that or a state pension. Also for the same earnings as a PAYE employee you will pay more tax, but if you are in a time of need you will get less back for your contribution.

It's great that there are lots of people going for it, but I don't think it's a particularly business friendly country. Unless you're a tax avoiding trans-national behemoth.

dxhound2005

DubVelo wrote: »

I wouldn't say expertise, but I am aware anecdotally of businesses that have been put under by business rates, have heard first hand others worried about whether they'll be able to stay open because they're not sure they have the turnover to cover their rates, and that you can easily be facing a bill for rates well into the thousands from the council before you've even had a customer step through the door.

Now that's a very scary proposition for a first time entrepreneur.

On top of which is the prospect that you may not qualify for unemployment benefit if you fail as you cannot make PAYE contributions towards that or a state pension. Also for the same earnings as a PAYE employee you will pay more tax, but if you are in a time of need you will get less back for your contribution.

It's great that there are lots of people going for it, but I don't think it's a particularly business friendly country. Unless you're a tax avoiding trans-national behemoth.

Those are the sorts of businesses that should welcome Jobbridge if only as a stop gap measure to get through temporary difficulties. If the business rates are the factor which they claim put them under then they were treading on thin ice already. Commercial rates have been with us since the foundation of the State so every business should factor them into their finances. It's like saying that the €100 Household Charge to cover a period of 18 months was the thing which was going to lose someone their house. Not the €1000 monthly mortgage repayment.

DubVelo

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Those are the sorts of businesses that should welcome Jobbridge if only as a stop gap measure to get through temporary difficulties. If the business rates are the factor which they claim put them under then they were treading on thin ice already. Commercial rates have been with us since the foundation of the State so every business should factor them into their finances. It's like saying that the €100 Household Charge to cover a period of 18 months was the thing which was going to lose someone their house. Not the €1000 monthly mortgage repayment.

Charity for businesses at taxpayers expense? Economic death spiral right there.

dxhound2005

DubVelo wrote: »

Charity for businesses at taxpayers expense? Economic death spiral right there.

Supporting businesses to take people off the dole has been a feature of policy for years. There is another scheme which pays money to any business which employs someone who is long term unemployed and keeps them on for a certain period. And another one which continues dole payments for a certain time while people try to start their own businesses. And another one paying dole to people who are doing third level courses specifically to get qualifications to get employment.

Charity is the wrong word. And a strange one to use from someone who bemoans the lack of social welfare for self employed people. This is probably the most socialised country in the world with 2.3 million people benefitting from taxpayers money every year. Social intervention in the labour market has never led to an economic death spiral before. And it appears to be the only way to involve certain sections of the community into work or education/training. If they were attractive to employers they wouldn't need such intervention as has been proved by the 2 million people who are at work.

DubVelo

DubVelo wrote: »

On top of which is the prospect that you may not qualify for unemployment benefit if you fail as you cannot make PAYE contributions towards that or a state pension. Also for the same earnings as a PAYE employee you will pay more tax, but if you are in a time of need you will get less back for your contribution.
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Everyone is entitled to Unemployment Assistance and State Pension, depending on their means. I take your point that they are not entitled to Unemployment Benefit, which is totally unjustified, as they do pay PRSI.

gambit83

i wonder how much impact Jobbridge had on the current elections
it did effect how i voted, anyone else???

jimgoose

gambit83 wrote: »

i wonder how much impact Jobbridge had on the current elections
it did effect how i voted, anyone else???

I should imagine it wasn't entirely irrelevant to the right honourable skinning Labour received.

shruikan2553

gambit83 wrote: »

i wonder how much impact Jobbridge had on the current elections
it did effect how i voted, anyone else???

I couldn't vote due to where I'm living short term but I refuse to vote for any party that has Joan Burton as a member.

Xenji

Thankfully we have no Labour representation in town anymore after the election and 3/5 of the Fine Gael candidates failed to get elected, this is in Inda's backyard as well, I know quite a few people who see Labour as being very arrogant and that they are constantly looking down on people regardless if they support or dislike the Jobbridge/Gateway schemes. Joan seems to be a bit of a hate figure among both the unemployed and employed and Inda is a joke in his own home town.

A Greedy Algorithm

Hello. I am looking for work experience for around 4-5 months in total. The area in which i live is very limited and has zero opportunities for such a short time frame. I sometimes see Jobs Bridge positions that are close by but they are all for 9 months in length. Do you think it would a good idea to maybe email these companies and ask them if they have any positions available for someone in my position - without pay of course? Maybe if they are looking for someone on Jobs Bridge they might be willing to take on someone for a shorter time period? A long shot maybe but i don't have many other options.

Xenji

A Greedy Algorithm wrote: »

Hello. I am looking for work experience for around 4-5 months in total. The area in which i live is very limited and has zero opportunities for such a short time frame. I sometimes see Jobs Bridge positions that are close by but they are all for 9 months in length. Do you think it would a good idea to maybe email these companies and ask them if they have any positions available for someone in my position - without pay of course? Maybe if they are looking for someone on Jobs Bridge they might be willing to take on someone for a shorter time period? A long shot maybe but i don't have many other options.

It is mandatory that the internship has to be either 6 or 9 months in length if you are doing a JobBridge.

osarusan

What, if any, are the negative consequences of leaving/quitting after 5 months?

kdave2

downonthefarm wrote: »

wheres the scandal?
1.you get out of the house
2.get to meet new people
3.see what its like to earn your money instead of staying in bed till 12 every day

1.Working for 40+ hours a week for 232
2.The subordinate mentality between you and your fellow employees
3.Working 40 hours a week but still having to queue in the dole line and having to live on government handouts
4.Building a distored view of job creation by CSO statistics owing to a percent of jobs due to jobbridge schemes
5.Allowing companies to benefit of free labour
6 Displacing full paid jobs for this scheme
7 Creating a culture where working for free is acceptable

Non exhaustive list

A Greedy Algorithm

Xenji wrote: »

It is mandatory that the internship has to be either 6 or 9 months in length if you are doing a JobBridge.

OK thank you. The idea behind this is that i would not actually be doing Jobs Bridge, just using it to find out what companies are advertising positions then emailing them to offer my services free of charge for a shorter time frame.

Xenji

A Greedy Algorithm wrote: »

OK thank you. The idea behind this is that i would not actually be doing Jobs Bridge, just using it to find out what companies are advertising positions then emailing them to offer my services free of charge for a shorter time frame.

Yeah there is no harm in trying, they might be willing to take you on, but if you are on social welfare it maybe an issue.

Xenji

osarusan wrote: »

What, if any, are the negative consequences of leaving/quitting after 5 months?

If you wanted to do another Jobbridge in the future they will take those 5 months off of the 18 months you can do as a maximum, other than that nothing.

kdave2

A Greedy Algorithm wrote: »

Hello. I am looking for work experience for around 4-5 months in total. The area in which i live is very limited and has zero opportunities for such a short time frame. I sometimes see Jobs Bridge positions that are close by but they are all for 9 months in length. Do you think it would a good idea to maybe email these companies and ask them if they have any positions available for someone in my position - without pay of course? Maybe if they are looking for someone on Jobs Bridge they might be willing to take on someone for a shorter time period? A long shot maybe but i don't have many other options.

You see this is what we are reduced do a culture that normalises working for free as being acceptable...its not

A Greedy Algorithm

kdave2 wrote: »

You see this is what we are reduced do a culture that normalises working for free as being acceptable...its not

I need to get work experience as part of a course i am doing. The thing is i come from a town with minimal opportunities. Most of the companies that do take on students are in Dublin and Cork and it is not viable to commute to these cities.

I do see the odd company that isn't to far away from me that is looking for an intern on Jobs bridge. I was thinking maybe if i was to explain my situation to them then they might be able to accommodate me for a short time period. Its the only real chance I've got really.

CramCycle

A Greedy Algorithm wrote: »

I do see the odd company that isn't to far away from me that is looking for an intern on Jobs bridge. I was thinking maybe if i was to explain my situation to them then they might be able to accommodate me for a short time period. Its the only real chance I've got really.

Definitely, get a letter/mail into them ASAP, not sure what your waiting for. You could also identify work places and ask your college to contact them on your behalf as they either may have graduates to get a foot in with on linked in or may carry more weight if the e-mail is addressed from an institution.

Bongalongherb

At the end of the day, the OECD made it quite clear that this Jobbridge scheme is an employer incentive scheme rather than a genuine Internship program.

The true fact of this Jobbridge scheme is that it is taking away what would be paid job positions in the workforce. This is affecting normal paid jobs on a large scale. It's backward, and costs more to the taxpayer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYM863B7Hq4

osarusan

Xenji wrote: »

If you wanted to do another Jobbridge in the future they will take those 5 months off of the 18 months you can do as a maximum

OH NOES!!

judgefudge

Went for a job bridge position interview today and asked if they intended to hire anyone out of it at the end (they are taking on a few interns at once). Was basically told that they were suffering due to the economic "climate" and had to take on people to cover maternity leave. So they couldn't guarantee anything.

Unfortunately it appears I have little choice but to go for it and hope for a miracle. What a great time to be young in Ireland.

Also saw a job bridge the other day advertised that required a years experience in this specific labortatory role. How the hell can they get awayw with asking for experienced interns when the whole point is supposed to gaining experience?? It's a farce.

judgefudge

judgefudge wrote: »

Went for a job bridge position interview today and asked if they intended to hire anyone out of it at the end (they are taking on a few interns at once). Was basically told that they were suffering due to the economic "climate" and had to take on people to cover maternity leave. So they couldn't guarantee anything.

Unfortunately it appears I have little choice but to go for it and hope for a miracle. What a great time to be young in Ireland.

Also saw a job bridge the other day advertised that required a years experience in this specific labortatory role. How the hell can they get awayw with asking for experienced interns when the whole point is supposed to gaining experience?? It's a farce.

This. Some Jobbridge positions are for senior staff or managers, looking for experience, jobs which usually would be at the higher end of pay, now you get to do it for free! And even the HSE are using Jobbridge to keep staff now, I know this personally. No chance of a job at the end, and to rub salt into the wound, the exiting intern was asked to train the new intern in his last week.

judgefudge

judgefudge wrote: »

Went for a job bridge position interview today and asked if they intended to hire anyone out of it at the end (they are taking on a few interns at once). Was basically told that they were suffering due to the economic "climate" and had to take on people to cover maternity leave. So they couldn't guarantee anything.

Unfortunately it appears I have little choice but to go for it and hope for a miracle. What a great time to be young in Ireland.

Also saw a job bridge the other day advertised that required a years experience in this specific labortatory role. How the hell can they get awayw with asking for experienced interns when the whole point is supposed to gaining experience?? It's a farce.

Report them! This is not what it's for and if they're saying it openly, they are breaking the rules. Report it to politicians too. Then, name and shame them.

flutered

just heard a scambridge advertissment, commis chef required, ring xxxx on xxxx, now one is asked to ring the head chef, thats fine but he is the head chef i a nama run hotel, no sign of transparency there as promised some time back

sunflower27

Another classic one

9 months..... of course

car valet.

Based in GOWRAN Ref. INTE-851380Description
The intern will gain practical experience in the use of electric machines also detergants and cleaning chemical. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following safety when dealing with chemicals, how to use them in a safe way, how to use a powerwasher and the proper chemical with it. On completion the intern will have attained skills in the differences in all the different detergants required to valet vehicles and the safe way of dealing with electric appliences with water.

Complete and send by email to: [email]martincareymotors@gmail.com

Detergants?? Appliences?? They are not even bothering to spellcheck adverts anymore.[/email]

cloudatlas

Bongalongherb wrote: »

At the end of the day, the OECD made it quite clear that this Jobbridge scheme is an employer incentive scheme rather than a genuine Internship program.

The true fact of this Jobbridge scheme is that it is taking away what would be paid job positions in the workforce. This is affecting normal paid jobs on a large scale. It's backward, and costs more to the taxpayer.

Her reward is leader of the labour party God/Krishna/Mohammed/Vishnu help us all.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

I'm working with a jobsbridge girl at the minute. She's only a young one, so with the extra payment she gets 150 euro per week. She's supposed to get bank holidays off, but our manager gave out to her for not being available on Monday as we were busy. Our manager marked her in 7 days last week, girl asked what two days she was off, manager was quite annoyed, mentioned her booking a busy day off already (a day she's not supposed to work anyway) and gave her one day off so she was in for six off for one.

When our manager took over from the older manager, she had jobsbridge girl do 60 odd hours without days off in between because we were understaffed. She's never in early to open the place so that's left to the girl too, having to open the spa and set it up.

I feel so bad for her, she's working like a Chinese kid in a sweatshop for 150 a week, won't have a job at the end of it, is responsible for doing bits of the managers job like opening up and stock taking and booking in packages, has to work **** days, and has nothing to show for it.

I'd rather fester away unemployed than leave myself be taken advantage of like that.

dharma200

That is such a disgrace.
Makes me sick to think of cnuts who would take advantage of some one like that.

Jobsbridge needs to end.