Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

The Jobbridge Scandal

Options
1…123124126128129…195

Comments

  • Options
    #3752
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Kai123 wrote: »
    7k is nothing compared to what they save in wage and tax. Even more of a slap in the face!

    The govt gives them 7k if they take the intern on, regardless of his performance.


  • Options
    #3753
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    Armelodie wrote: »
    Too true with the last point...

    Do you think this primary school in Meath would be happy to publicise they will be paying a qualified teacher on jobbridge the Dole+€50.

    St. Brigids National School, Meath Hill

    This has been taken down?
    Just showing an error now


  • Options
    #3754
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Fás guy told me.

    This seems unlikely. He may have been misinformed.


  • Options
    #3755
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    deco nate wrote: »
    This has been taken down?
    Just showing an error now

    Nope, still there.


  • Options
    #3756
    deco nate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,340 ✭✭✭deco nate


    Thanks, I tried loading it 3-4
    Times and no joy.
    After you posted I tried again
    and it loaded, tbh that is a crazy internship.
    It just goes to show that this
    Scheme is a farce.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #3757
    2Mad2BeMad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,791 ✭✭✭2Mad2BeMad


    the flananator wrote: »
    Do you get the Irish amount or would you be getting the rate of dole offered in your new country of residence?

    I lost my job this year, was only their 10 months. Got let go , he said I wasn't needed anymore which is fair the place was read most days. Less then a week later theirs an internship up for my position. Irony is im on an internship now and I actually like it as their treating me fair and paying for a few courses for me like manual handling. Safe pass etc. Think I got a lucky pick their tbh as I know most exploit


  • Options
    #3758
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Tarzana wrote: »
    Nope, have read a lot about the scheme, and have never, ever heard that. I can't any reference to this anywhere. Can you show where this is stated? Thanks.

    I think he means Job Plus. Time spent on JobBridge is taken into account. http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/unemployment_and_redundancy/employment_support_schemes/jobsplus.html


  • Options
    #3759
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    deco nate wrote: »
    Thanks, I tried loading it 3-4
    Times and no joy.
    After you posted I tried again
    and it loaded, tbh that is a crazy internship.
    It just goes to show that this
    Scheme is a farce.

    Maybe theres been a good few viewing as I've posted it over in the T&L forum.
    I know teachers get little sympathy these days, but didn't realise how much the profession has gone to pot.
    Would parents be happy knowing that their teacher is getting the dole while the teacher next door gets full wage?
    Some of the ads are a bit shy in stating whether the ' intern' would be actually assigned a particular class, so they could claim that they are just doing paperwork. However, its obvious that the intern is doing some other teacher's work.

    "Jeez lads Im wrecked from the weekend and have Junior infants after break... where's the slave with my class plans and coffee.."

    The unions in Ireland have a lot to answer for.


  • Options
    #3760
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Tarzana wrote: »
    This seems unlikely. He may have been misinformed.

    It's possible but unlikely. It's his job to know the scheme.


  • Options
    #3761
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's possible but unlikely. It's his job to know the scheme.


    Was it JobPlus as someone said above? Different thing from being given €7,000 to take on someone straight out of Jobbridge. Why take someone on for €7000 when you can get another free intern?


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #3762
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    Armelodie wrote: »
    Maybe theres been a good few viewing as I've posted it over in the T&L forum.
    I know teachers get little sympathy these days, but didn't realise how much the profession has gone to pot.

    Well, I have my problems with the teaching profession in Ireland but I do know that it's a draining, full-on job that needs fair payment.


  • Options
    #3763
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    Tarzana wrote: »
    Well, I have my problems with the teaching profession in Ireland but I do know that it's a draining, full-on job that needs fair payment.

    Ah yeah its just the job is advertised at the top as PRIMARY SCHOOL TEACHER so it stinks to high heaven.


  • Options
    #3764
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    2Mad2BeMad wrote: »
    I lost my job this year, was only their 10 months. Got let go , he said I wasn't needed anymore which is fair the place was read most days. Less then a week later theirs an internship up for my position. Irony is im on an internship now and I actually like it as their treating me fair and paying for a few courses for me like manual handling. Safe pass etc. Think I got a lucky pick their tbh as I know most exploit
    An employer can't lay anyone off 3 months prior to signing up for jobbridge.


  • Options
    #3765
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Tarzana wrote: »
    Was it JobPlus as someone said above? Different thing from being given €7,000 to take on someone straight out of Jobbridge. Why take someone on for €7000 when you can get another free intern?
    Couldn't be, I wasn't on the live register for 12 months which is a prerequisite for jobsplus.


  • Options
    #3766
    Tarzana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Tarzana


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Couldn't be, I wasn't on the live register for 12 months which is a prerequisite for jobsplus.

    Then he must have been misinformed. Honestly, it being his job doesn't mean he's competent!


  • Options
    #3767
    Kai123
    Registered Users Posts: 249 ✭✭Kai123


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    An employer can't lay anyone off 3 months prior to signing up for jobbridge.

    My current jobbridge position was originally filled by someone who they ended the contract with (after 2 years, he wanted a permanent contract and made a bit of noise, and so they didn't renew it when it was up). I am working in a prior paid position, not a newly made position as an intern.

    I know my example is tiny, but who knows how common this practice is, or will become.


  • Options
    #3768
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    From dealing with FAS i don't think you need to be competent to get a job there.

    Getting an angry phone call because i never turned up to an interview arranged for a CE Scheme. I said i got no letter he asks my address he had took it down wrong and sent it to the wrong house.

    Then a mix up after i informed him my hotmail email address was hacked and sent him on my new email. Then again an angry phone call because i ignored emails after he forgot to update my details.

    I have very little or no faith in FAS i wondered how some of them actually had jobs while other good people couldn't find work.


  • Options
    #3769
    2Mad2BeMad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,791 ✭✭✭2Mad2BeMad


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    An employer can't lay anyone off 3 months prior to signing up for jobbridge.

    They were already signed up looking for one when they found one I just happened too be let go. Now he's doing my work ...

    Edit: by the way the company I was in was booming, they recovered quite fast when the economy turned to ****e


  • Options
    #3770
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users Posts: 8,825 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    2Mad2BeMad wrote: »
    They were already signed up looking for one when they found one I just happened too be let go. Now he's doing my work ...

    Edit: by the way the company I was in was booming, they recovered quite fast when the economy turned to ****e


    Friend worked in a small office that was doing well. He was their a few years and specialised in a cetain area where even the manager wouldn't be an expert at. He along with the manager interviewed to hire two interns for my friend to train to help reduce his workload. He was in his last year of his contract and he was concerned he was training these interns in his role. The manager kept putting off his request to talk about a new contract. So after the interns where their two weeks he demanded contract talks to which the manager said once his contract was up in 6 month's he wouldn't be renewing it.

    My friend was an expert in a certain field so after two weeks of searching he found a job. He handed in his notice and said he would work two weeks in hand before his new job. The boss went ballistic talking about reporting him etc until my friend threatened to report him for trying to hire interns to replace him.

    So this left the boss and two interns who had very little idea of how to deal with this type of work to complete a load of work for clients on time. My friend was talking to a former workmate who said loads of clients left because their work was behind schedule and full of errors. The boss hired another employee in this field but it was too late he lost loads of clients and a fortune. It's good to hear stories like this of greedy owners trying to abuse the system for profit to lose a fortune.


  • Options
    #3771
    Xenji
    Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    2Mad2BeMad wrote: »
    I lost my job this year, was only their 10 months. Got let go , he said I wasn't needed anymore which is fair the place was read most days. Less then a week later theirs an internship up for my position. Irony is im on an internship now and I actually like it as their treating me fair and paying for a few courses for me like manual handling. Safe pass etc. Think I got a lucky pick their tbh as I know most exploit

    You got an internship in a Council didn't you, we put interns on any courses they like if there are empty spaces available.


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #3772
    Xenji
    Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    Tarzana wrote: »
    Was it JobPlus as someone said above? Different thing from being given €7,000 to take on someone straight out of Jobbridge. Why take someone on for €7000 when you can get another free intern?

    No he is correct, when you are on JobBridge you are taken off the live register, but you are still seen as being unemployed by the Social Welfare.

    For example, if John was unemployed for 3 months before he started his 9 month internship and he lasted till the end, he will be 12 months unemployed and the host company could keep him on and avail of a payment of €7,500 over two years.

    If a person had been unemployed for 15 months before he did an 9 month internship and lasted till the end, the host company could keep him on and avail of a payment of €10,000 over two years.

    All these payments are coming from the government, a friend of mine is on it and he did well in his internship, they hired him full time and use this payment to pay him, he is on minimum wage and only does about 30 hours a week so technically they have near enough to free labour or half price labour depending on wages.


  • Options
    #3773
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Xenji wrote: »
    No he is correct, when you are on JobBridge you are taken off the live register, but you are still seen as being unemployed by the Social Welfare.

    For example, if John was unemployed for 3 months before he started his 9 month internship and he lasted till the end, he will be 12 months unemployed and the host company could keep him on and avail of a payment of €7,500 over two years.

    If a person had been unemployed for 15 months before he did an 9 month internship and lasted till the end, the host company could keep him on and avail of a payment of €10,000 over two years.

    All these payments are coming from the government, a friend of mine is on it and he did well in his internship, they hired him full time and use this payment to pay him, he is on minimum wage and only does about 30 hours a week so technically they have near enough to free labour or half price labour depending on wages.
    It's a symbiotic agreement really:

    People get jobs,

    Companies get cheap labor,

    And the government gets to message the unemployment figures.


  • Options
    #3774
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,294 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's a symbiotic agreement really:

    People get exploited,

    Companies get cheap labor,

    And the government gets to message the unemployment figures.


    FYP


  • Options
    #3775
    IP freely
    Registered Users Posts: 393 ✭✭IP freely


    Nuts102 wrote: »
    From dealing with FAS i don't think you need to be competent to get a job there.

    Getting an angry phone call because i never turned up to an interview arranged for a CE Scheme. I said i got no letter he asks my address he had took it down wrong and sent it to the wrong house.

    Then a mix up after i informed him my hotmail email address was hacked and sent him on my new email. Then again an angry phone call because i ignored emails after he forgot to update my details.

    I have very little or no faith in FAS i wondered how some of them actually had jobs while other good people couldn't find work.


    I thought FAS don't exist anymore?

    IPF


  • Options
    #3776
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Tony EH wrote: »
    FYP
    How is a person being paid full rate exploited? The government scheme is creating a job for that person that otherwise wouldn't exist.


  • Options
    #3777
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    How is a person being paid full rate being exploited? The government scheme is creating a job for that person that otherwise wouldn't exist.

    Because they are expected to work up to 40 hours a week for significantly less than the minimum wage.


  • Options
    #3778
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Because they are expected to work up to 40 hours a week for significantly less than the minimum wage.
    Not jobbridge, jobplus.


  • Options
    #3779
    Xenji
    Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    IP freely wrote: »
    I thought FAS don't exist anymore?

    IPF

    It does, it is just called Solas now.


  • Options
    #3780
    IP freely
    Registered Users Posts: 393 ✭✭IP freely


    Xenji wrote: »
    It does, it is just called Solas now.

    So FAS doesn't exist anymore then!


  • Advertisement
  • Options
    #3781
    Xenji
    Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    IP freely wrote: »
    So FAS doesn't exist anymore then!

    Just the name, everything else is the same.


Advertisement