The Jobbridge Scandal

tayto lover

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If you were drafting legislation setting up Jobbridge could you come up with a list of jobs which were excluded? Would that not lead to employers being able to bring legal action on the basis that they were being discriminated against?

I can't see anything wrong with any employer listing a position and if nobody wants it nobody applies. There is plenty of evidence that that is happening if you look at how long some of the ads have been up (months).

If the Govt were serious they would keep all these free labour jobs for the dedicated unemployed and make them earn their dole.

I have no problem with the scheme per se but I know some of the businesses and schools advertising and I have no doubt they are exploiting the scheme. At 50 quid per week for a cleaner I can see why but it doesn't make it right.

dxhound2005

tayto lover wrote: »

If the Govt were serious they would keep all these free labour jobs for the dedicated unemployed and make them earn their dole.

I have no problem with the scheme per se but I know some of the businesses and schools advertising and I have no doubt they are exploiting the scheme. At 50 quid per week for a cleaner I can see why but it doesn't make it right.

And is a firm of architects advertising a post not exploiting the scheme? The school doesn't pay the €50, neither does the architect, they are both getting someone for nothing.

tayto lover

dxhound2005 wrote: »

And is a firm of architects advertising a post not exploiting the scheme? The school doesn't pay the €50, neither does the architect, they are both getting someone for nothing.

Yes i'd up the cost and make them pay. Put the worker on trial for a period. These are either jobs or their not.

Faux Socialist

gavinhenson wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. Too many lazy, down-and-outs want everything handed to them. There is a real mentality of entitlement among the youth of today, and it physically disgusts me.

Oh yea, let's just forget about the company getting free labor.

Iwasfrozen

tayto lover wrote: »

Yes i'd up the cost and make them pay. Put the worker on trial for a period. These are either jobs or their not.

The idea is to make it zero cost for the company to hire someone with no experience.

Essentially they're training the employee on the government's time rather than their own.

In case the employee is incompetent there is no onus on the company to offer a job at the end but there is a large financial incentive to do so.

Mrs Garth Brooks

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Here are the most recent 300 placements being advertised. Please tell me how many of those are exploiting the scheme "no end"?

http://intern.jobbridge.ie/Default.aspx?q=sjDArutve/3w53BLzNXooesjqRrGoX95L6zX310XQ+ZkPrjRXZfgnq9aCED/CBaEB7/EYciwt/RC+LOlNxs8UD9LAjj7M2Lo3u/cRXi0yliyP7RK7hJYFN5Gsp8+RANXSYBeOqEYtCqemWWEJdAziz9+vtGCYaMQMuy5jzXVd0sfV26ZiZV1AtDLuiMMZ4YdvvqI0PRMQpyMQ//ulCkhW+l4iceCn7/nTqJSqGeecF0WlrhRwEk5eHgVEeU55JZ3FjlbfsY6x8Zr8mG5jXdwAq4ciytM00z1ozmuvCrC6AlDERc1/IhNXmPFQtPl5ya2CldENQJlbk+Uzqd7NL6es1Vlm8iAv1ZYTpNiFYZMVmfCUke9XADAB9RQEUZ46y92

People can choose to apply for what they like, nobody is forcing them to go for particular placements.

Don't forget the social welfare forcing them with the threat of 'your dole will be cut' ...if you don't become a cleaner, a shelf stacker or washing cars.

These are real jobs that many young people would be delighted with getting a wage but they are being taken away from them. Real jobs, that doesn't take 6 or 9 months to learn or get the hang of.

dxhound2005

Mrs Garth Brooks wrote: »

Don't forget the social welfare forcing them with the threat of 'your dole will be cut' ...if you don't become a cleaner, a shelf stacker or washing cars.

These are real jobs that many young people would be delighted with getting a wage but they are being taken away from them. Real jobs, that doesn't take 6 or 9 months to learn or get the hang of.

That action by the dole does not seem to be working. There are 188,000 unemployed for a year or longer. And with only 2590 Jobbridge placements available how are they going to force everyone on to a placement?

gavinhenson

gavinhenson wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. Too many lazy, down-and-outs want everything handed to them. There is a real mentality of entitlement among the youth of today, and it physically disgusts me.

It's disgusting that people expect to be paid a decent wage for their work. And isn't it the fault of the youth that there are something like 27 unemployed for every job, sure wasn't it the youth who made the mess were in today.

Iwasfrozen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's disgusting that people expect to be paid a decent wage for their work. And isn't it the fault of the youth that there are something like 27 unemployed for every job, sure wasn't it the youth who made the mess were in today.

You expect to have a job with a decent wage despite having no experience? That sounds entitled to me.

Faux Socialist

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You expect to have a job with a decent wage despite having no experience? That sounds entitled to me.

You expect to hire an employee by paying a 50 euro a week wage? That sounds like slavery to me.

Iwasfrozen

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

You expect to have a job with a decent wage despite having no experience? That sounds entitled to me.

No one needs experience for the vast majority of positrons advertised on Jobsbridge. If somebody is working up to 40 hours a week then they should be paid a fair wage.

dxhound2005

Deleted User wrote: »

No one needs experience for the vast majority of positrons advertised on Jobsbridge. If somebody is working up to 40 hours a week then they should be paid a fair wage.

I will interpret vast majority to mean 95% or more. Is that fair?

Please look at the latest 300 placements being advertised and let me know if they match that criterion?

http://intern.jobbridge.ie/Default.aspx?q=sjDArutve/3w53BLzNXooesjqRrGoX95L6zX310XQ+ZkPrjRXZfgnq9aCED/CBaEB7/EYciwt/RC+LOlNxs8UD9LAjj7M2Lo3u/cRXi0yliyP7RK7hJYFN5Gsp8+RANXSYBeOqEYtCqemWWEJdAziz9+vtGCYaMQMuy5jzXVd0sfV26ZiZV1AtDLuiMMZ4YdvvqI0PRMQpyMQ//ulCkhW+l4iceCn7/nTqJSqGeecF0WlrhRwEk5eHgVEeU55JZ3FjlbfsY6x8Zr8mG5jXdwAq4ciytM00z1ozmuvCrC6AlDERc1/IhNXmPFQtPl5ya2CldENQJlbk+Uzqd7NL6es1Vlm8iAv1ZYTpNiFYZMVmfCUke9XADAB9RQEUZ46y92

UCDVet

Deleted User wrote: »

No one needs experience for the vast majority of positrons advertised on Jobsbridge. If somebody is working up to 40 hours a week then they should be paid a fair wage.

I don't think anyone would disagree with that statement.

The problem is that a lot of people disagree over what a 'fair wage' is.

Iwasfrozen

Faux Socialist wrote: »

You expect to hire an employee by paying a 50 euro a week wage? That sounds like slavery to me.

Hate to break it to you but the employer doesn't pay 50 euro.

I've explained this already. Jobbridge allows employers to train people on the governments time rather than their own. In exchange the employee gets experience.

Incase the employee is incompetent there is no onus on the employer to take on the employee at the end of the scheme but there is a large financial incentive to do so.

NZ_2014

Faux Socialist wrote: »

You expect to hire an employee by paying a 50 euro a week wage? That sounds like slavery to me.

The company pays NOTHING. Some companies take the piss,others save on their training costs.

Iwasfrozen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No one needs experience for the vast majority of positrons advertised on Jobsbridge. If somebody is working up to 40 hours a week then they should be paid a fair wage.

If you don't believe a Jobbridge position would benefit you then don't apply for it. Simples.

dxhound2005

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I will interpret vast majority to mean 95% or more. Is that fair?

Please look at the latest 300 placements being advertised and let me know if they match that criterion?

http://intern.jobbridge.ie/Default.aspx?q=sjDArutve/3w53BLzNXooesjqRrGoX95L6zX310XQ+ZkPrjRXZfgnq9aCED/CBaEB7/EYciwt/RC+LOlNxs8UD9LAjj7M2Lo3u/cRXi0yliyP7RK7hJYFN5Gsp8+RANXSYBeOqEYtCqemWWEJdAziz9+vtGCYaMQMuy5jzXVd0sfV26ZiZV1AtDLuiMMZ4YdvvqI0PRMQpyMQ//ulCkhW+l4iceCn7/nTqJSqGeecF0WlrhRwEk5eHgVEeU55JZ3FjlbfsY6x8Zr8mG5jXdwAq4ciytM00z1ozmuvCrC6AlDERc1/IhNXmPFQtPl5ya2CldENQJlbk+Uzqd7NL6es1Vlm8iAv1ZYTpNiFYZMVmfCUke9XADAB9RQEUZ46y92

The vast majority is something which isn't all the well defined but would be generally seen as around 75% of something. Sure there's some good positions on the scheme but most are not. Out of the tens of thousands of positions advertised on jobsbridge, most are menial jobs that take no more than a few days training.

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

If you don't believe a Jobbridge position would benefit you then don't apply for it. Simples.

And what of all those young unemployed people who don't engage with the scheme and apply for jobs on it? You seem to think of them as having a sense of entitlement for not going after positions on it. For every decent position on the scheme there are dozens which amount to little more than exploitation.

Iwasfrozen

Deleted User wrote: »

And what of all those young unemployed people who don't engage with the scheme and apply for jobs on it? You seem to think of them as having a sense of entitlement for not going after positions on it. For every decent position on the scheme there are dozens which amount to little more than exploitation.

Really? Dozens of exploitation schemes for every decent scheme? I highly doubt those numbers and would love to see some substance behind those claims.

My advice to a young unemployed person who can't find a scheme that will give them experience in their chosen field is to keep looking on the site, if after a while you still can't find anything useful consider going back to college to either retrain in another field or get yourself more qualifications in your chosen field. If you can't afford college get a menial job to tie you over until you either get a better job or can afford college.

shruikan2553

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Really? Dozens of exploitation schemes for every decent scheme? I highly doubt those numbers and would love to see some substance behind those claims.

My advice to a young unemployed person who can't find a scheme that will give them experience in their chosen field is to keep looking on the site, if after a while you still can't find anything useful consider going back to college to either retrain in another field or get yourself more qualifications in your chosen field. If you can't afford college get a menial job to tie you over until you either get a better job or can afford college.

Yeah great idea, why dont unemployed people just get a job

dxhound2005

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Really? Dozens of exploitation schemes for every decent scheme? I highly doubt those numbers and would love to see some substance behind those claims.

My advice to a young unemployed person who can't find a scheme that will give them experience in their chosen field is to keep looking on the site, if after a while you still can't find anything useful consider going back to college to either retrain in another field or get yourself more qualifications in your chosen field. If you can't afford college get a menial job to tie you over until you either get a better job or can afford college.

Who do you want to do the "menial" jobs while they are not being occupied by students tiding themselves over?

Iwasfrozen

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Yeah great idea, why dont unemployed people just get a job

The problem is people, especially college educated people just don't want to work in menial jobs.

I once had a conversation with a guy who owns his own business and we got onto the subject of making your own job and the example he gave is that when he was younger he used to go door to door and clean people's toilets.

Now you might say that's dirty work and it was but the guy had a family to look after and his mentality was that he would do anything to look after his family. He did quite well out of it too because he was literally the only person around who did this.

Another example, when I was younger during summer holidays in college I used to chop up pallets I got for free from my local area into bags of firewood and sell them in winter, I was earning 5 euro an hour doing this.

Iwasfrozen

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Who do you want to do the "menial" jobs while they are not being occupied by students tiding themselves over?

That question doesn't make sense.

Iwasfrozen

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Really? Dozens of exploitation schemes for every decent scheme? I highly doubt those numbers and would love to see some substance behind those claims.

My advice to a young unemployed person who can't find a scheme that will give them experience in their chosen field is to keep looking on the site, if after a while you still can't find anything useful consider going back to college to either retrain in another field or get yourself more qualifications in your chosen field. If you can't afford college get a menial job to tie you over until you either get a better job or can afford college.

Why are you on about schemes? I was discussing Jobsbridge but don't let that get in the way of you twisting my words. You suggest people go back to college and get a menial job to pay for it, where are these menial jobs that people can get? With places like supermarkets and garages getting hundred if not thousands of applicants for each job, it's not like anybody can walk into a job no matter how menial.

Iwasfrozen

Deleted User wrote: »

Why are you on about schemes? I was discussing Jobsbridge but don't let that get in the way of you twisting my words. You suggest people go back to college and get a menial job to pay for it, where are these menial jobs that people can get? With places like supermarkets and garages getting hundred if not thousands of applicants for each job, it's not like anybody can walk into a job no matter how menial.

Well by schemes I mean of course positions. Let me rephrase:

"Really? Dozens of exploitation positions for every decent position? I highly doubt those numbers and would love to see some substance behind those claims."

"Where are these jobs?" You expect me to find you a job? To quote Norman Tebbit "I grew up in the 30's with an unemployed father, he didn't riot he got on his bike and looked for work and he kept looking until he found it."

That's what you have to do. Don't wait on a job in your chosen field, broaden your search. Look for work and don't stop looking until you find it. Keep an open mind and don't turn your nose up at menial positions.

Xenji

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Really? Dozens of exploitation schemes for every decent scheme? I highly doubt those numbers and would love to see some substance behind those claims.

My advice to a young unemployed person who can't find a scheme that will give them experience in their chosen field is to keep looking on the site, if after a while you still can't find anything useful consider going back to college to either retrain in another field or get yourself more qualifications in your chosen field. If you can't afford college get a menial job to tie you over until you either get a better job or can afford college.

Menial job, good luck with that with the amount of Jobbridges you see for deli assistants, shelf stockers, retail assistants and cleaners, the scheme in my town has taken away all these jobs.

In Lonesome Dove

gavinhenson wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. Too many lazy, down-and-outs want everything handed to them. There is a real mentality of entitlement among the youth of today, and it physically disgusts me.

I am a single woman in my early 30s and underemployed. My mother is in her early 60s and one of these long term dole spongers. She has no intention of ever working because the dole and the benefit of a medical card is too attractive for her. If it was up to her I would be on the dole and sponging of it and too some degree I can see her point because my wage isn't paying much more than the dole but I refuse to go there. Although my work isn't much, it is something.

I'm sure many youngsters are great people. They grow up with inspirations. They don't leave school just to decide that the dole is a great life. It's not their fault there's feck all opportunities out there. There is so much talent and greatness from many youngsters and all you have to go is look to the young scientists of the year as an example.

Please stop bashing youngsters or at least stop applying your generalisation to youngsters only.

Iwasfrozen

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Well by schemes I mean of course positions. Let me rephrase:

"Really? Dozens of exploitation positions for every decent position? I highly doubt those numbers and would love to see some substance behind those claims."

"Where are these jobs?" You expect me to find you a job? To quote Norman Tebbit "I grew up in the 30's with an unemployed father, he didn't riot he got on his bike and looked for work and he kept looking until he found it."

That's what you have to do. Don't wait on a job in your chosen field, broaden your search. Look for work and don't stop looking until you find it. Keep an open mind and don't turn your nose up at menial positions.

People aren't waiting on a job in their chosen field or profession, they are looking all over. That you have thousands of applicants to positions in places such as Londis, Dunnes, etc shows this. Few people who are unemployed will turn their nose up at a menial job but many will turn it up at one advertised on jobsbridge and rightly so.

And yes there are dozen of positions for every good position on there, how many cafes, supermarkets, etc are on there looking for staff? Stacking shelves and the like are not positions that people need experience for. You can be trained in a cafe in a matter of days, a friend of mine started work last Tuesday in a cafe in Galway and their training took 6 hours on the first day and then she was left to her own devices and ended up working on her own all day yesterday, yet many will have you believe that it takes 9 months on jobsbridge to obtain the skills she did in a few hours.

Xenji

gavinhenson wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. Too many lazy, down-and-outs want everything handed to them. There is a real mentality of entitlement among the youth of today, and it physically disgusts me.

Honestly it is people of your mentality that disgust me, who are you to state that all youth of today has a sense of entitlement, do you know all the youth of the country personally and their situations. I have a great job and lucky to have it, but I do not look down my nose at others and friends who are unemployed, it is a struggle in most towns in the country to find employment and it is not the youths fault that there are not enough jobs to go around. I know that over 80 percent of the people I have went to school with have emigrated to find jobs and a better life and did not sit idly by and have an entitlement culture.

I would like to see you unemployed and see how easy it is for you to get a job and then hear if you share the same belief and if you still do then your as much as a loss as a human being as you would be to the workforce.

dxhound2005

Xenji wrote: »

Menial job, good luck with that with the amount of Jobbridges you see for deli assistants, shelf stockers, retail assistants and cleaners, the scheme in my town has taken away all these jobs.

12 ads for the whole country when you search for Deli Assistant, not all for deli assistant. Is your town in there? It unlikely that everyone who got a job in your town got it through Jobbridge given that the whole country has less than 7000 of them.

The one in Wexford is up since 24 June, looks like nobody wants it.

http://intern.jobbridge.ie/Default.aspx?q=sjDArutve/3w53BLzNXooesjqRrGoX95L6zX310XQ+ZkPrjRXZfgnq9aCED/CBaEB7/EYciwt/RC+LOlNxs8UD9LAjj7M2Lo3u/cRXi0yliyP7RK7hJYFN5Gsp8+RANXSYBeOqEYtCqemWWEJdAziz9+vtGCYaMQMuy5jzXVd0sfV26ZiZV1AtDLuiMMZ4YdvvqI0PRMQpyMQ//ulCkhW+l4iceCn7/nTqJSqGeecF0WlrhRwEk5eHgVEeU55JZ3FjlbfsY6x8Zr8mG5jXdwAq4ciytM00z1ozmuvCrC6AlDERc1/IhNXmPFQtPl5ya2CldENQJlbk+Uzqd7NL6es1Vlm8iAv1ZYTpNiFYZMVmfCUke9XADAB29tPMnjC1/Ec1CIEEHC9kYcLKGAdDs+yA==

Xenji

dxhound2005 wrote: »

12 ads for the whole country when you search for Deli Assistant, not all for deli assistant. Is your town in there? It unlikely that everyone who got a job in your town got it through Jobbridge given that the whole country has less than 7000 of them.

The one in Wexford is up since 24 June, looks like nobody wants it.

http://intern.jobbridge.ie/Default.aspx?q=sjDArutve/3w53BLzNXooesjqRrGoX95L6zX310XQ+ZkPrjRXZfgnq9aCED/CBaEB7/EYciwt/RC+LOlNxs8UD9LAjj7M2Lo3u/cRXi0yliyP7RK7hJYFN5Gsp8+RANXSYBeOqEYtCqemWWEJdAziz9+vtGCYaMQMuy5jzXVd0sfV26ZiZV1AtDLuiMMZ4YdvvqI0PRMQpyMQ//ulCkhW+l4iceCn7/nTqJSqGeecF0WlrhRwEk5eHgVEeU55JZ3FjlbfsY6x8Zr8mG5jXdwAq4ciytM00z1ozmuvCrC6AlDERc1/IhNXmPFQtPl5ya2CldENQJlbk+Uzqd7NL6es1Vlm8iAv1ZYTpNiFYZMVmfCUke9XADAB29tPMnjC1/Ec1CIEEHC9kYcLKGAdDs+yA==

We have had one recently for our local Centra that was filled, have a search for Castlebar, 26 people currently advertising for JobBridge interns and the town is falling apart as it is and is a ghost of its former self with very high unemployment, hell I have had over 30 interns by now in with me in the Council and not one of them can be offered a job.