The Jobbridge Scandal

CramCycle

The_Captain wrote: »

That's not really the set up here. We use a recruiting agency for entry level positions, anything senior, specialised or well-paying is direct applications only.

A bit odd, but depends on the industry. Specialist recruiters that focus on senior positions are very useful, as they will know the people available, and what they need to hear before they will move.

Certain industries, direct application maybe relevant but others don't do anything senior unless through a reputable industry specific recruitment company.

I know in my brothers industry, they use certain recruiters for entry level (CPL etc.) as they can try them out on the recruiters books without any issues, and then for senior positions, they will have two or three specialist recruiters (Amicus etc.) who they send out to bring in one or two names. If they ever bring in a bad recruitment they are black listed and they know it.

fin12

Primary School Teacher on Jobsbridge.

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DGyRhHVXQXLouipacYS8k6HqiOhV7M45YyMBiAXf0ruaaXZXE9ougbZEJEncdQ5At/v6KWDrr/KS9AMQ2cE8kwOtlQ8vnxrVhWb43vVu3ZU+uxMfaIuqJ8+ZBLm3X4ixvtMT4brvIP3zuO5wCi9PRCsNa5nBoYumFHLTV1z7o1Hi6as6w9gWAHrG7PcgMcollPUJDwbJQlxbu9kf6CHqcChb3/s10om44CO7GdExyxjQ3UZFmY/YTtwDPilNPVIZSyR6GT1yKAMmnDC9/WqdRmrJNcg7JObS+ZA+Vlazwi6VcykITsnmxmTATmmDn6Vee1S8tt+RXcbKCNQol+UAo4Um79aUqdHGb9EMBzQrqhz5d2PmoFGYoF0Keic2byw18aGHA8FSqrSra6pwVSRIEoTB0hhcLuZgqsgGUGdAZ+3R

PopePalpatine

As the Church of Laissez-Faire says, primary school teachers aren't worth minimum wage.

SCOOP 64

fin12 wrote: »

Primary School Teacher on Jobsbridge.

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DGyRhHVXQXLouipacYS8k6HqiOhV7M45YyMBiAXf0ruaaXZXE9ougbZEJEncdQ5At/v6KWDrr/KS9AMQ2cE8kwOtlQ8vnxrVhWb43vVu3ZU+uxMfaIuqJ8+ZBLm3X4ixvtMT4brvIP3zuO5wCi9PRCsNa5nBoYumFHLTV1z7o1Hi6as6w9gWAHrG7PcgMcollPUJDwbJQlxbu9kf6CHqcChb3/s10om44CO7GdExyxjQ3UZFmY/YTtwDPilNPVIZSyR6GT1yKAMmnDC9/WqdRmrJNcg7JObS+ZA+Vlazwi6VcykITsnmxmTATmmDn6Vee1S8tt+RXcbKCNQol+UAo4Um79aUqdHGb9EMBzQrqhz5d2PmoFGYoF0Keic2byw18aGHA8FSqrSra6pwVSRIEoTB0hhcLuZgqsgGUGdAZ+3R

Is this still allowed ?

fin12

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Is this still allowed ?

I think I read somewhere the Teachers Union were warning teachers not to take up these jobsbridge positions.

fin12

fin12 wrote: »

Primary School Teacher on Jobsbridge.

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DGyRhHVXQXLouipacYS8k6HqiOhV7M45YyMBiAXf0ruaaXZXE9ougbZEJEncdQ5At/v6KWDrr/KS9AMQ2cE8kwOtlQ8vnxrVhWb43vVu3ZU+uxMfaIuqJ8+ZBLm3X4ixvtMT4brvIP3zuO5wCi9PRCsNa5nBoYumFHLTV1z7o1Hi6as6w9gWAHrG7PcgMcollPUJDwbJQlxbu9kf6CHqcChb3/s10om44CO7GdExyxjQ3UZFmY/YTtwDPilNPVIZSyR6GT1yKAMmnDC9/WqdRmrJNcg7JObS+ZA+Vlazwi6VcykITsnmxmTATmmDn6Vee1S8tt+RXcbKCNQol+UAo4Um79aUqdHGb9EMBzQrqhz5d2PmoFGYoF0Keic2byw18aGHA8FSqrSra6pwVSRIEoTB0hhcLuZgqsgGUGdAZ+3R

Anyone that applies for this position deserves everything they get.

scamalert

description seems decent if its any true,that person will be guided,not thrown in class and away he/she goes :pac: would fit someone who just graduated and need experience,but with that said wages that teachers get and not being able to pay minimum would be completely different topic,since some earn in range of 20-40e just for bare minimum.

mickstupp

^I thought teachers who'd just graduated already have experience, as part of their course? Where they necessarily do placement for quite a while. Why then should they take a supposedly upskilling internship?

scamalert

not sure really managed to meed couple teachers in my time that done college,but never asked about work experience-but know that any position they got was paid highly even if substituting or part time ,point being i only said if description is anything to go by,which most likely is not the case,and not being able to pay at least minimum to train person up and keep,we could bash that add for ages like another 100 that appear every day.

Tarzana2

mickstupp wrote: »

^I thought teachers who'd just graduated already have experience, as part of their course? Where they necessarily do placement for quite a while. Why then should they take a supposedly upskilling internship?

Yes, they'll have completed teaching practice as part of their course.

flutered

link taken down

starlit

I'm amazed they allow that as part of jobbridge they wouldn't do it for the nurses! Its scandalous that they would advertise for a teacher on jobbridge. At least it was taken down off the system. Its bad enough when they re-advertise the same jobbridges over and over again. Yet they want the immigrants to come back? They won't now despite the economy picking up a little. Just people are spending more wisely I suppose. You wonder with all the new jobs being created lately that it only caters for certain industries and how many of those jobs are long term/permanent/paid jobs??

fin12

doovdela wrote: »

I'm amazed they allow that as part of jobbridge they wouldn't do it for the nurses! Its scandalous that they would advertise for a teacher on jobbridge. At least it was taken down off the system. Its bad enough when they re-advertise the same jobbridges over and over again. Yet they want the immigrants to come back? They won't now despite the economy picking up a little. Just people are spending more wisely I suppose. You wonder with all the new jobs being created lately that it only caters for certain industries and how many of those jobs are long term/permanent/paid jobs??

Its not taken down, if you go into the jobbridge.ie and search primary school teacher it comes up.

An post and the credit union are using jobsbridge aswell.

starlit

Oh right its not on the Solas/Fás page. Its ridiculous they haven't taken it off jobbridge website! I wonder how it was allowed at all are the jobbridges assessed at all before being place on jobbridge website?

fin12

doovdela wrote: »

Oh right its not on the Solas/Fás page. Its ridiculous they haven't taken it off jobbridge website! I wonder how it was allowed at all are the jobbridges assessed at all before being place on jobbridge website?

I dont know, I say they dont care.

fin12

I wonder if you do a jobsbridge with an post or the Credit union, does anyone think there would be a good chance of being kept on after?

dxhound2005

doovdela wrote: »

Oh right its not on the Solas/Fás page. Its ridiculous they haven't taken it off jobbridge website! I wonder how it was allowed at all are the jobbridges assessed at all before being place on jobbridge website?

Host organisations have to meet the criteria regarding the number paid employees on their books. And they have to be a legal entity, and provide mentoring for any Jobbridge placements. After that I don't see any need for anyone to have to vet thousands of individual advertisements. And there is no legislation which precludes any particular job from being advertised, once the employer meets the criteria to be a host organisation.

It is self regulating anyway, with people on the dole ignoring unsuitable placements. Nobody is forced to apply for them. There were only 4,886 places filled in October, when the maximum allowed in 8,500.

http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/JobBridge-Organisations.aspx#part3

3. Is your organisation eligible?
This programme is open to host organisations in the private, public (including commercial semi-state) or community and voluntary sectors.
In order to qualify for an internship an organisation must have a minimum of 1 full time employee who is employed for 30 hours or more per week (i.e. on payroll and subject to PAYE and PRSI).
The host organisation must be a legal entity and/or a charity recognised by the Revenue Commissioners (with a CHY number).

tomwaterford

With the economy supposedly recovering (??) this sham should be wound up...no need for it now....the state has propped up unviable businesses who can't afford to pay staff properly for long enough IMO

mrDerek

i cant complain too much about this, sure its free labour but 3 months into my placement i got offered the job and today was the first paid day i worked so im pretty happy with how my JB experience has been

trixychic

mrDerek wrote: »

i cant complain too much about this, sure its free labour but 3 months into my placement i got offered the job and today was the first paid day i worked so im pretty happy with how my JB experience has been

Congrats!!! You seem to be one of the very very few who do get something out of it. Just wish it was like this for everyone.

Well done.

Sunflower 27

Just saw a cleaner internship advertised for a family resource centre in Kilkenny city.Training will be provided and you must be willing to work evenings till 9.30pm.

Now, form an orderly queue....

Sunflower 27

trixychic wrote: »

Congrats!!! You seem to be one of the very very few who do get something out of it. Just wish it was like this for everyone.

Well done.

It's so bad that people are thrilled to hear a good story!!! The fact it is this way shows how awful this scheme is. We should be hearing mostly good stories, not the other way around.

Doctor Jimbob

tomwaterford wrote: »

With the economy supposedly recovering (??) this sham should be wound up...no need for it now....the state has propped up unviable businesses who can't afford to pay staff properly for long enough IMO

I'd be fine with it being kept even in a recovering economy if it were more tightly regulated. On paper, it's a great scheme for people with qualifications but no experience.

Obviously, nonsense like making sandwiches at Centra would need to be done away with. Nothing against anyone who does such jobs, but they certainly don't require 9 month internships.

Skatedude

As someone who has contacts in multinational companies, they often hate to take on jobbridge as permanent staff afterwards with few exceptions. Age been the most issue, fine as teens or very early 20's, but see them as people who couldn't stick collage long enough.

Sucks, but lot of companies see jobbdrige as people that are not good enough to get the job, simply part time fillers until they find someone better qualified.
The idea in theory is good but doesn't seen to work out all the time. Not an absolute, but seems to be an issue.

FAS had a much better reputation before the name Jobbridge was introduced.

trixychic

Skatedude wrote: »

As someone who has contacts in multinational companies, they often hate to take on jobbridge as permanent staff afterwards with few exceptions. Age been the most issue, fine as teens or very early 20's, but see them as people who couldn't stick collage long enough.

I think that is very unfair. My sister has a learnin difficulty and never did well in school or college. She couldn't focus her mind but as a worker she is super. She even worked for an Olympic group over in denmark. Every employer she has ever had has hated to see her leave. She rises quickly through the ranks and has made manager in a few places.

But she couldn't do college.

Crann na Beatha

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Xenji

JT26 wrote: »

Anyone know of the total numbers on such schemes

If you combine all the schemes, over 86,162 people as of last year, all of which are deemed to be off the live register as well.

The Raptor

Know of a place that has been getting people on this scheme every 9-10 months, the same title, etc, for about three years. They clearly need a worker but just don't want to pay.

bigroad

Xenji wrote: »

If you combine all the schemes, over 86,162 people as of last year, all of which are deemed to be off the live register as well.

So fg keep telling us that they created thousands of jobs in the last few ears using these numbers.
So in reality we can put the unemployed figure back up by about 80k.
Would that be about right Enda.

Xenji

bigroad wrote: »

So fg keep telling us that they created thousands of jobs in the last few ears using these numbers.
So in reality we can put the unemployed figure back up by about 80k.
Would that be about right Enda.

It has been happening for years, it is a great way to massage the numbers, they really should be forced to mention the real percentage and then the adjusted percentage, but sure that would make them look bad :rolleyes: