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The Jobbridge Scandal

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    #5432
    Xenji
    Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    The Raptor wrote: »
    There is a new scheme called jobpath.

    Selected people gets referred to a new company called Turas Nua. This is a recruitment agency where employers tell them what they're looking for. And Turas Nua will provide free workers while they continue receiving their payment.

    Its a free supply of slaves. Why would any employer would want to hire when they can get them for free.

    I have heard people with horrifying experiences with JobPath, you are literally screwed if you end up on it, even friends of mine who work in the DSP are disgusted by it.


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    #5433
    fin12
    Registered Users Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Xenji wrote: »
    I have heard people with horrifying experiences with JobPath, you are literally screwed if you end up on it, even friends of mine who work in the DSP are disgusted by it.

    Is it not similar to gateway or tus schemes where ur selected by the dsp and have to comply with them .


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    #5434
    fin12
    Registered Users Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    They are absolute assholes on tus, I was contacted by them and I had no problem doing the scheme but I didn't want to do it in my local area, I live in a rural area so they were like that's fine, but never listened to me kept contacting me about jobs in my area, i told them I was willing to travel as I had a car to plenty of other areas, but thankfully I got a work but it just came in time because they were just about to send me for an interview to the community centre in my area which somebody would def know me and then know I'm on the dole, it was a horrible feeling.


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    #5435
    Xenji
    Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    fin12 wrote: »
    Is it not similar to gateway or tus schemes where ur selected by the dsp and have to comply with them .

    You are selected to go on the scheme by the DSP, but the people who are operating JobPath are two private companies from the UK, one of which is has being investigated by the UN over Rights of Persons with Disabilities.

    People employed in JobPath are given performance based payments, so the more people they get in full time employment, the more money they make, a friend of mine in a town with basically no jobs has to attend a meeting with them 3 days a week, these can last just for only a couple of minutes and the staff nearly all have a sales background and have no real experience in what they are supposed to be assisting with.


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    #5436
    fin12
    Registered Users Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Xenji wrote: »
    You are selected to go on the scheme by the DSP, but the people who are operating JobPath are two private companies from the UK, one of which is has being investigated by the UN over Rights of Persons with Disabilities.

    People employed in JobPath are given performance based payments, so the more people they get in full time employment, the more money they make, a friend of mine in a town with basically no jobs has to attend a meeting with them 3 days a week, these can last just for only a couple of minutes and the staff nearly all have a sales background and have no real experience in what they are supposed to be assisting with.

    God that's horrible, there have been numerous deaths linked to this schemes in the uk or forcing genuinely disabled people to work when they can't, their system is disgusting over there....


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    #5437
    Xenji
    Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    fin12 wrote: »
    God that's horrible, there have been numerous deaths linked to this schemes in the uk or forcing genuinely disabled people to work when they can't, there system is disgusting over there....

    It is the same people doing it here.


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    #5438
    The Raptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭The Raptor


    Xenji, that's absolutely disgusting. I think you also mentioned before that you're in a small town where whatever work is available is all jobbridge.

    How do they get people into employment when there is free labour available in the form of jobbridge?

    Or is this a method to create suicide among the unemployed?


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    #5439
    fin12
    Registered Users Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Xenji wrote: »
    It is the same people doing it here.

    Jesus I'd sign myself up for a ce scheme or a jobsbridge if these f0ckers were after me, at least u have a choice of where and what ul do on these two schemes.

    I was on a ce scheme for two months at least it was my choice.


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    #5440
    The Raptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭The Raptor


    The thought of it fills me with dread.

    I'm in a job but I can be let go at any time because I'm only new.


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    #5441
    Xenji
    Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    For anyone who is doing an E-College or Springboard course, does the DSP leave you alone while you are on them or would you not have to do JobPath while doing them, would seem like a better option than being but into a situation you do not want to be in, while still improving yourself at the same time?


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    #5442
    fin12
    Registered Users Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    The Raptor wrote: »
    Xenji, that's absolutely disgusting. I think you also mentioned before that you're in a small town where whatever work is available is all jobbridge.

    How do they get people into employment when there is free labour available in the form of jobbridge?

    Or is this a method to create suicide among the unemployed?

    Well I felt completely trapped when they were forcing me to take up a tus scheme in my local area, I can't even describe the anxiety I was feeling and only for a job offer coming through I don't know what would have happened.


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    #5443
    fin12
    Registered Users Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    The Raptor wrote: »
    The thought of it fills me with dread.

    I'm in a job but I can be let go at any time because I'm only new.

    I'm the same I'm covering maternity leave.


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    #5444
    The Raptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭The Raptor


    fin12 wrote: »
    God that's horrible, there have been numerous deaths linked to this schemes in the uk or forcing genuinely disabled people to work when they can't, their system is disgusting over there....

    What I don't understand, why implement a system here that has been linked to suicides in the UK?


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    #5445
    fin12
    Registered Users Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    The Raptor wrote: »
    What I don't understand, why implement a system here that has been linked to suicides in the UK?

    They don't care, people on the dole over there are viewed as probably not even human anymore, it's awful, my sister lives in uk and says they way they treat the unemployed over there is sick. Just thinking about it makes me feel sick because I don't have a stable job,


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    #5446
    The Raptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭The Raptor


    fin12 wrote: »
    Well I felt completely trapped when they were forcing me to take up a tus scheme in my local area, I can't even describe the anxiety I was feeling and only for a job offer coming through I don't know what would have happened.

    I know how you feel. They were going to force me into a course before, at the same level as the junior certificate. I have a level 6 and 7. Learning things as microsoft word, library researching, internet skills. They wouldn't let me pick my own course and perhaps learn something new.

    I found that time so so stressful, until I found my own course, a private course in security, I could have started the week after. But then they wouldn't give me the grant for private courses after I applied for it.


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    #5447
    fin12
    Registered Users Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    But that's the way society is gone, nobody gives a sh1t, has no compassion or empathy. No wonder so many people suffer with mental health.


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    #5448
    fin12
    Registered Users Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    http://www.thejournal.ie/unemployment-4500-deaths-by-suicide-1930270-Feb2015/


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    #5449
    Crazyteacher
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭Crazyteacher


    Would they ever give up this ridiculous ideas and create real jobs. We should all leave.


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    #5450
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Crazyteacher wrote: »
    Would they ever give up this ridiculous ideas and create real jobs. We should all leave.
    It's not up to the government to "create" jobs.

    What would you have them do anyway? Employ people to clean the streets for 20k a year?


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    #5451
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's not up to the government to "create" jobs.

    What would you have them do anyway? Employ people to clean the streets for 20k a year?

    I agree with the above, this whole "we will create jobs!" annoys me for the same reason.

    I don't see facilitating companies to take on staff for free as helping the unemployment issue, either, though. Many basic entry level jobs no longer exist because of this.


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    #5452
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's not up to the government to "create" jobs.

    What would you have them do anyway? Employ people to clean the streets for 20k a year?

    If it's not up to them to create jobs then why did so many of the parties run on the promise to create jobs. All these government schemes are taking away real jobs


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    #5453
    The Raptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭The Raptor


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's not up to the government to "create" jobs.

    What would you have them do anyway? Employ people to clean the streets for 20k a year?

    But somehow its better to have street cleaners on the gateway scheme?


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    #5454
    fin12
    Registered Users Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's not up to the government to "create" jobs.

    What would you have them do anyway? Employ people to clean the streets for 20k a year?

    As far as I'm aware a lot of county and city council workers clean the streets so these are paid positions so why would unemployed people have to be cleaning the streets?


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    #5455
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If it's not up to them to create jobs then why did so many of the parties run on the promise to create jobs. All these government schemes are taking away real jobs
    The Raptor wrote: »
    But somehow its better to have street cleaners on the gateway scheme?
    fin12 wrote: »
    As far as I'm aware a lot of county and city council workers clean the streets so these are paid positions so why would unemployed people have to be cleaning the streets?
    Not one of you answered my question.


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    #5456
    [Deleted User]
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    Always been my impression that jobbridge was created for the satisfaction of already employed voters. Dole figures are down, even if your taxes are still paying for someone to live, at least they're working for their 50 a week. The government "created jobs". The government can't go into a private company and tell them to take on a full time paid employee, but if they're offering a few free ones, then sure plenty of companies can take people on. And why would anyone pay for something they can get for free?


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    #5457
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Iwasfrozen wrote:
    Not one of you answered my question.


    If you did away with schemes such as jobs bridge you'd create numerous jobs by forcing businesses to pay the people it needs. There's thousands of stories many in this thread about how the scheme is being abused. Hell, the government itself is hiring people on it for positions that need to be filled but can't due to hiring restrictions.

    If the government doesn't want to create jobs then it doesn't gave to but the various parties involved shouldn't be campaigning on the jobs they plan to create.

    The new scheme is another in the never ending ploys by the government to massage the figures and look good. I believe that the company running the latest on are the same crowd who in the UK deemed a man in a coma fit for work and suspended his benefits. They've also gone after those with disabilities and deemed many fit for work when they are not. A recent report covered in the Guardian stated that something like 6% of doctors had come across a patient who had attempted to take or taken their own life over fears if having to take the test which would deem them fit or unfit for work.


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    #5458
    fin12
    Registered Users Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Not one of you answered my question.

    Your question doesn't need answering because it doesn't make any sense. There are people employed to clean the streets already...


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    #5459
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    fin12 wrote: »
    Your question doesn't need answering because it doesn't make any sense. There are people employed to clean the streets already...

    What,would you have the government do to "create" jobs?


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    #5460
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    The Raptor wrote: »
    But somehow its better to have street cleaners on the gateway scheme?

    Yes, because THE FREE MARKET IS GOOD, THE FREE MARKET IS GREAT, THE SKOBES SURRENDER THEIR WILL AS OF THIS DATE.


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    #5461
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,872 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    It's not up to the government to "create" jobs.

    What would you have them do anyway? Employ people to clean the streets for 20k a year?
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    What,would you have the government do to "create" jobs?

    The government is not there to create jobs as you rightly said.

    They are there however to help create, nurture and sustain an environment where job creation and sustainability is easier and possible.

    Some of their schemes in principle (but alas not in reality) do this.

    Jobbridge would be great if implemented properly. They could take a small cohort of civil servants, maybe two from each council, give them minimum parameters, and block those continuously offering positions that do not meet these requirements and take down those that already exist that do not meet those requirements.

    They obviously have someone somewhere doing this but without the guidelines as I applied to put up a job just to test it and I heard nothing back and the job was not put up.


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