The Jobbridge Scandal

denlaw

Paddy Cow wrote: »

It's 18mths now!

Ahh, here!, i wouldn't be that shocked if the intern was told to supply his own washing gear...

Paddy Cow

denlaw wrote: »

Ahh, here!, i wouldn't be that shocked if the intern was told to supply his own washing gear...

This scheme really winds me up. I did a course with FAS in office administration and the last ten weeks were work placement. The deal was the place taking me on had to pay €300 to FAS (a nominal fee but presumably it was to cut down on companies taking the p1ss) and I still got my weekly allowance. The work placement was not advertised and it was up to me to find a position. I sent out loads of CV's and I got a job in a solicitors office. At first I was doing simple things like filing, photocopying etc but my natural anal and retentiveness ability to organise shone through. At the time they were changing their accounts systems and I got kept on to do this as I had shown an aptitude for it. I went from being the work placement girl who didn't have her own computer to being the person who took care of accounts with her own office. Unfortunately the crash of 2008 hit and cut backs had to be made.

Back on the dole (applying for jobs in admin/accounts), FAS send me out details of an "internship" where I would learn to answer phones, file, organise schedules, arrange meetings etc from 9-5, Monday to Friday. Basically I would learn how to be a receptionist and I would get an extra €50 a week. I was seriously p!ssed off when I got this letter. FAS has already trained (and payed to get me to) these standards and above, so why would they want me to do work placement for 9 months instead of ten weeks, at a cost of €238 instead of €188. I obviously turned down their generous offer and found an "interinship" with a company that suited my needs.

Pre-2008
Work Placement
Cost to employer €300 (one off payment)
Allowance to employee €188 p/wk
Total €1,880
Cost to taxpayer €1,580 (over ten weeks)

Post-2008
Job Bridge
Cost to employer €0.00
Allowance to employee €238.00 p/wk
Cost to taxpayer for 9mt U]€9,639[/U] (€238 over 9mths)

The "Jobbridge Scheme" is ripping people off (both employed and unemployed) but I gotta raise my hat of to whichever politician/party has sown the seeds of "sure wouldn't you be better off on a jobbridge than unemployed". It never fails to amaze me the amount of people who think that someone on the dole should be falling over with gratitude at the offer of one of these Job Bridge schemes. "Ah sure shouldn't they be grateful" is the mindset, rather than looking deeper into these schemes.

Cba thinking about it anymore. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think the scheme has potential, if like my experience pre-recession, you had to find a company willing to take you on, rather than a company willing to take the p!ss.

SeaFields

Have just seen this in the examiner. Its probably one of the first times I have seen criticism of the scheme being carried by the media (maybe perhaps the first time since Tesco tried to hire interns to cover their normal Christmas Temp staff postions.) Hopefully this starts a trend and it continues.

AquaDome criticised for seeking cleaning intern

SCOOP 64

SeaFields wrote: »

Have just seen this in the examiner. Its probably one of the first times I have seen criticism of the scheme being carried by the media (maybe perhaps the first time since Tesco tried to hire interns to cover their normal Christmas Temp staff postions.) Hopefully this starts a trend and it continues.

AquaDome criticised for seeking cleaning intern

About time too, but they are still going ahead with it,

"We have been approved by the scheme and now we are advertising the position.”

There isn't a job in Ireland that would not be approved for jobbridge.
another full time job lost.

denlaw

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

About time too, but they are still going ahead with it,

"We have been approved by the scheme and now we are advertising the position.”

There isn't a job in Ireland that would not be approved for jobbridge.
another full time job lost.

Most scambridge placements are jobs that require two weeks training at the very most, its a godsend for greedy FG/LAB supporting employers... really, how long does it to learn how to use a mop bucket and i'm not being disrespectful of cleaners, my mother was one and helped put 4 of us through college....

Fred Swanson

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Mint Aero

Great scheme for some college graduates to get an important lick of experience on their CV.

Disgraceful allowing unskilled work on it.

Teaching graduates should probably grow up a bit and accept it as a viable option too.

Ivefoundgod

Wait, Aquadome say in the article that somebody approached them about doing an internship with them? So why do they then say they advertised the position? Am I reading it wrong? If someone asked to be taken on as an intern (which is highly unlikely for this role) then they already would have the position filled surely? Unless in fact they just made up that part and are trying to make excuses for abusing the JobBridge scheme.

denlaw

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

Wait, Aquadome say in the article that somebody approached them about doing an internship with them? So why do they then say they advertised the position? Am I reading it wrong? If someone asked to be taken on as an intern (which is highly unlikely for this role) then they already would have the position filled surely? Unless in fact they just made up that part and are trying to make excuses for abusing the JobBridge scheme.

It's apparently a life's dream for someone down on Tralee to clean up in the DA DA DAAHHHH ...AUQADOME, they'll even do it for a pittance such is their dream ..I hope they get no one and that the good folk of Kerry see right through this big pile of ****e... Could you imagine, after the 9 mths you have to do a post grad at the grand hotel in Killarney

november2013

Let me get this straight, I pay tax so the government can give companies free labour? Bad enough our money is being used to bailout banks but this takes the biscuit.

Ace2007

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

Wait, Aquadome say in the article that somebody approached them about doing an internship with them? So why do they then say they advertised the position? Am I reading it wrong? If someone asked to be taken on as an intern (which is highly unlikely for this role) then they already would have the position filled surely? Unless in fact they just made up that part and are trying to make excuses for abusing the JobBridge scheme.

I assume they would have to advertise in on job-bridge before the inter that approached them would get the extra 50 quid a week.

road_high

november2013 wrote: »

Let me get this straight, I pay tax so the government can give companies free labour? Bad enough our money is being used to bailout banks but this takes the biscuit.

Yes. A clear display of the imbecile nature of Joan Burton. She is the worst Minister for years, I put her on a par with Mary Coughlan for sheer imcompetence (and boy that's saying something).

A real idiot, can't comprehend or listen to the fact this joke scheme is replacing real jobs with free state sponsored labour and confining 1,000s of people who clearly want to work (they're that desperate they take this scheme). it baffles how she supposedly qualified as some kind of "Accountant"; stands over a scheme that kills real jobs replaced by borrowed money from the IMF. A baby infant could explain and understand how it doesn't make sense financially for the state.
You could not make up the stupidity here.
The post above re the tax take/costs to state somes it up perfectly, well done to that poster.

sunflower27

Bicycle Mechanic

The intern will gain practical experience in Bicycle Repairs including fixing punctures, replacing tyres - removal and wheel alignment. Brake and gear adjustments. Crank and pedal replacement. Bottom Bracket servicing, Headset servicing & Wheel axle servicing. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following: Bicycle Repairs the intern will be shown how to fix a puncture and place gear and brake cables progressing to wheel truing and bottom bracket servicing. On completion the intern will have attained skills in bicycle mechanical repairs working as part of a team and customer service skills.

Company: Rothar, Phibsborough


Duration: 9 months.

Grab All Association

sunflower27 wrote: »

Bicycle Mechanic

The intern will gain practical experience in Bicycle Repairs including fixing punctures, replacing tyres - removal and wheel alignment. Brake and gear adjustments. Crank and pedal replacement. Bottom Bracket servicing, Headset servicing & Wheel axle servicing. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following: Bicycle Repairs the intern will be shown how to fix a puncture and place gear and brake cables progressing to wheel truing and bottom bracket servicing. On completion the intern will have attained skills in bicycle mechanical repairs working as part of a team and customer service skills.

Company: Rothar, Phibsborough


Duration: 9 months.

I learned to do all the above before I turned 10 ffs.

FlashD

Labour won't be in government after this debacle for a long long time. :pac:

That's a good thing!

denlaw

sunflower27 wrote: »

Bicycle Mechanic

The intern will gain practical experience in Bicycle Repairs including fixing punctures, replacing tyres - removal and wheel alignment. Brake and gear adjustments. Crank and pedal replacement. Bottom Bracket servicing, Headset servicing & Wheel axle servicing. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following: Bicycle Repairs the intern will be shown how to fix a puncture and place gear and brake cables progressing to wheel truing and bottom bracket servicing. On completion the intern will have attained skills in bicycle mechanical repairs working as part of a team and customer service skills.

Company: Rothar, Phibsborough


Duration: 9 months.

To get a full service done on a bike was about €70, takes about 2, 2.5 hrs, you'd be surprised at how many people couldn't fix a puncture..you'd learn rapid fast at €10 a pop..to pardon the pun..

Fred Swanson

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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That's probably the worst thing, it's here to stay. When things pick up they'll claim wages are too high.

Grab All Association

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sf-condemn-public-sector-jobbridge-scheme-1.1594025

gozunda

road_high wrote: »

Yes. A clear display of the imbecile nature of Joan Burton. She is the worst Minister for years, I put her on a par with Mary Coughlan for sheer imcompetence (and boy that's saying something).
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I agree that minister 'Burton' is an insult to any rational management of social provision and real job creation.

It is quite ironic that she comes from a labour background. Word has it she is attempting a power grab from Gilmore and it appears she believes she can do this by being seen to be more efficient at 'massaging' live register numbers and other 'creative' accounting techniques than any other power hungry politician.

Her much publicised approach of recreating the individual employee as a 'internee' as a means of 'getting people back' to employment' is a thinly veiled exploitation process that is as near illegality as possible and is transparent for what it really is - the open and real exploitation of those who are will be paid less than even a fraction of the minimum wage, have absolutely no guarantee of mentoring or job skill enhancement and stand to be openly abused by any self seeking employer who is willing to exploit a free labour scheme and ultimately rob the economy of real employment opportunities.

Margaret Thatcher must be be looking down and smiling at a Irish 'labour' politician who is more right wing than even she could have conceived to have been. I really do hope that she reads this thread at some point and at least understands that people are not as stupid as she believes them quite obviously to be. The sooner Gilmore gets rid of her as the embarrassment she clearly is the better imo.

Xenji

Chris___ wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sf-condemn-public-sector-jobbridge-scheme-1.1594025

It is great that this joke of a scheme picking up more press, out of interest I have monitored the ones up for my county and some have been taken down and put up about 7 times in the last two months, not to mention stores looking for shelf stackers, sandwich artists, window and dummy dressers, housekeepers and photocopier assistants.

“Encouragingly, however, 41.2 per cent of all participants who undertook their internship in a public sector organisation progressed into paid employment.

“The exceptional rates of progression into employment among public sector interns also show that the benefits of the development and experience that interns gain in public sector host organisations facilitate them in gaining employment.”

Today Ms Burton will announce an extension of the JobBridge scheme to allow for further internships in the crafts sector.

That public sector figure has to be bull****, the majority of public bodies have a moratorium on hiring, so I find it hard to see that many people being hired.

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

Margaret Thatcher must be be looking down and smiling at a Irish 'labour' politician who is more right wing than even she could have conceived to have been.

This is not right wing if anything it is communist like

denlaw

I posted about that sandwich artist one ( the one in naas) On here and it was rightly given down the banks, whoever was looking for that intern must of seen it on here because the internship was taken down a replaced with a proper job..

Also just been listening to newstalk and they had a young fella slating scambridge and the type of internship's like the Mickey Mouse ones that are proper jobs dressed up ..

Boombastic

a sandwich artist


I should have applied for it and made a big sculpture on my first day, see how they like that art!

cloudatlas

I've come across the following excuses for jobbridge 1) Sure there's a hiring embargo on the public sector, they have to get the labour somehow. 2) Sure you would be looking for voluntary work anyway at least this way you can work in your chosen area and get some pay. Firstly if these positions are alleviating the public sector then where is the motivation for the problem to be fixed if the pressure isn't there. Secondly I can count the actual jobs on one hand in my sector in the last six months, jobbridge is saturating the market. The embargo will not be lifted soon enough for many people who are doing jobbridge as a stop gap, they are just delaying and warding off the inevitable trip to Dublin airport. I'm just waiting for someone to take a case against the state.

denlaw

IBEC are the main drivers behind this with their constant whinging over wages in Ireland, this recession was manna for them, they seem to have this government firmly in their top pockets... Next to the €50 kerchief..

Xenji

Sure ISME sent a circular out to its members telling them the great benefits of the scheme and basically how to exploit it and save money.

Ivefoundgod

There are even course advertised as to how businesses can save money using interns. They're not even hiding it at this point.

Edit: Couldn't find the post I thought I had seen referring to this so ignore.

cloudatlas

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

There are even course advertised as to how businesses can save money using interns. They're not even hiding it at this point.

Do you have a link?

Ivefoundgod

cloudatlas wrote: »

Do you have a link?

Looking for it now, I think it was already in this thread.

Grandpa Hassan

sunflower27 wrote: »

Bicycle Mechanic

The intern will gain practical experience in Bicycle Repairs including fixing punctures, replacing tyres - removal and wheel alignment. Brake and gear adjustments. Crank and pedal replacement. Bottom Bracket servicing, Headset servicing & Wheel axle servicing. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following: Bicycle Repairs the intern will be shown how to fix a puncture and place gear and brake cables progressing to wheel truing and bottom bracket servicing. On completion the intern will have attained skills in bicycle mechanical repairs working as part of a team and customer service skills.

Company: Rothar, Phibsborough


Duration: 9 months.

Personally I think that is a great internship. Being a bike mechanic is a specialised skill, and I am sure that once you can fix the puncture, you will move on through more complicated things. Dismantling and rebuilding a bike for a full service is not a skill you learn overnight. And the world isn't full of people with the skills to just walk into a bike repair shop and pick up a job. It's very different to the shelf stacking, car valeting, receptioninst type jobs that people have been posting up