The Jobbridge Scandal

Ivefoundgod

Ivefoundgod wrote: »

There are even course advertised as to how businesses can save money using interns. They're not even hiding it at this point.

Ignore this, can't seem to find the post/article i was referring too. Apologies!

Xenji

I am quite surprised now that they are letting people advertise jobs that only need a the Junior Cert as a minimum, you had to have a degree when the scheme started, now you do not even need to have finished the Leaving Cert.

Fred Swanson

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gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is not right wing if anything it is communist like

Believe it or not the origin of these schemes came from the Youth Training Programme in the UK brought into being in 1980 under Margaret Thatchers governent. Critics claimed that this scheme enabled employers to exploit school leavers for cheap labour, and provided little substance in the way of genuine education etc

Sound familiar? These schemes were born of right wing conservative politics. Labour Should perhaps at least have some shared background with the former communist brethren but the communists at least paid workers for what they were employed to do. Although Burton in her attempt to mimic the Iron Lady might adopt aspects of the Iron Cutrain is very possibly thinking about bringing in gulag type work camps as well, just so she can further massage the live register figures.
I wouldn't put it past her tbh....Labour used to be about workers conditions and rights and now we have IBEC writing labour policy - all very interesting as long as you are not an employee looking for gainful employment.

abbeyrock

I was out of work a few months back and some of the internships I saw offered were scandalous and how they were allowed to even post some of these jobs was disgraceful. One company I applied for were looking for an individual to set up and manage their digital maketing (social media) campaigns from home. WTF the idea is that an intern learns something, how do you learn from home, i was going to take the job and post how sh1t they were . Shame on some of these companies shame!:(

lufties

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

Personally I think that is a great internship. Being a bike mechanic is a specialised skill, and I am sure that once you can fix the puncture, you will move on through more complicated things. Dismantling and rebuilding a bike for a full service is not a skill you learn overnight. And the world isn't full of people with the skills to just walk into a bike repair shop and pick up a job. It's very different to the shelf stacking, car valeting, receptioninst type jobs that people have been posting up

Is that you Bill? , just joking, you are right though it is a good skill to have but could one realistically make a living out of it?

cloudatlas

What can we do?

Grandpa Hassan

lufties wrote: »

Is that you Bill? , just joking, you are right though it is a good skill to have but could one realistically make a living out of it?

I think so. OK, its a relatively niche marketplace I suppose, but there are plenty of bikeshops around, and I know from experience that it can sometimes take a while to get a slot for a comprehensive service. They are all very busy. And it is a skill that not everyone has. Not like shelf stacking

Cantona's Collars

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

Personally I think that is a great internship. Being a bike mechanic is a specialised skill, and I am sure that once you can fix the puncture, you will move on through more complicated things. Dismantling and rebuilding a bike for a full service is not a skill you learn overnight. And the world isn't full of people with the skills to just walk into a bike repair shop and pick up a job. It's very different to the shelf stacking, car valeting, receptioninst type jobs that people have been posting up

Lol,I was doing those things when I was 9.Is somebody suddenly going to get a job with a team on next years Tour De France after doing this internship?

Cantona's Collars

Deli Counter Intern wanted in Wexford,learn food prep & menu development.I've eaten in this place & all they want is somebody to serve lunches,tea & coffee.

Also a place in Finglas looking for an intern kitchen assistant (washer-upper).

runawaybishop

Grandpa Hassan wrote: »

I think so. OK, its a relatively niche marketplace I suppose, but there are plenty of bikeshops around, and I know from experience that it can sometimes take a while to get a slot for a comprehensive service. They are all very busy. And it is a skill that not everyone has. Not like shelf stacking

You dont need an internship for this though, just give them a proper job with training.

SCOOP 64

Sad fact some one will take this internship to make sandwich's for 9 months,
but if nobody takes theses internship on the employer would be forced to take someone on full time at minimum wage or lose business with queues of people waiting for there sandwiches.

Grandpa Hassan

runawaybishop wrote: »

You dont need an internship for this though, just give them a proper job with training.

But that is the issue with the whole scheme rather than picking on this job in particular, which seems to be not in the same category as the others posted on this thread.

Many SMEs cant hire more people. They don't have the cashflow. The intern may help the company expand, which might create a permanent job where none previously existed. And then the intern can be kept on

The issue is with Tesco etc using it, not small companies like a bike shop IMO

Grandpa Hassan

zerks wrote: »

Lol,I was doing those things when I was 9.Is somebody suddenly going to get a job with a team on next years Tour De France after doing this internship?

Good for you.

But the fact is that this person will learn an actual skill. It is not in the same category as shelf stacking or car valeting or cleaning.

Cantona's Collars

FFS,just had a look on the DSP website for full time jobs in Wexford,79 were listed and virtually all that I clicked on were internships,shop assistants,librarians(to bypass the recruitment embargo),trainee butcher,hairdresser.All free labour.
The sooner this scandalous scheme is done away with the better.

Honourable mention goes to the placement in a graveyard,"learn to cut grass".

Soft Falling Rain

Xenji wrote: »

I am quite surprised now that they are letting people advertise jobs that only need a the Junior Cert as a minimum, you had to have a degree when the scheme started, now you do not even need to have finished the Leaving Cert.

What was once (allegedly mind) aimed at getting graduates a foot on the ladder has now become a scheme designed to getting as many people "off" the lives register as possible.

By making the JC the minimum required they'll be targeting many young people who have left school early and at risk of becoming "dole lifers".

Which isn't a bad thing, it just means it's becoming less and less something that will attract graduates as the days go by.

cloudatlas

They will just end up extending the scheme again and then eventually it will be for unlimited periods.

Soft Falling Rain

zerks wrote: »

FFS,just had a look on the DSP website for full time jobs in Wexford,79 were listed and virtually all that I clicked on were internships,shop assistants,librarians(to bypass the recruitment embargo),trainee butcher,hairdresser.All free labour.
The sooner this scandalous scheme is done away with the better.

Honourable mention goes to the placement in a graveyard,"learn to cut grass".

Anyone serious about being a librarian or information professional should give Job Bridge a wide berth, as nothing will come of doing one in Ireland. They'd be better off moving to England to try their luck.

Fred Swanson

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Grab All Association

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DM5gONlbSSvSV11rvIA1HumKA0jfSBQ6+RZ78OFGoQ+GAluAUK698pYemgGwGu8KjQbfELUXDTp9nlP7myfdiwaaChrNFlG0VEyGNVEB8RVsQ61w9rCiZNTw6dpn53pMaSV7MXhwmedJxR0Y0XftFE+NuqeHo0l4L6ppOPvg9f3dlpu7JCOF/gdn6h0QlO+cpPTUsjU4G/JDXbc/TzK69mihYhMU6dFmyHtO9kEhcSF17sGUDvDN+Z/wBgjxQgXF56TfrLw+Kdt/nfOVOGG56VlnrsMEYjx4h+5BGgYa2XngsTm2lF8xxIJHhGY4rABYxQJoNmH7xK/GObk9nZn9FMKckie4VX8jBAhIYUX0rWGBTgqkUIDlHY1ZNaRdBzCsuiRRbZtbY0ETz+mA+WWB9fYg/xglv995i2W5QBVjkevContwQy9H+jk=

A sector which got a very generous cut in VAT two years ago

The Restaurants Association of Ireland has said retention of the lower 9% VAT rate for the tourism industry in the Budget is crucial for the survival of restaurants nationwide.
Addressing the Oireachtas Committee on Jobs Enterprise and Innovation, the chief executive of the Restaurant Association said the restaurant industry employs 64,000 people.
This accounts for a quarter of tourism jobs, while the sector also contributes €2 billion to the Irish economy each year.
Adrian Cummins said that tourism employment had risen by 9,000 since the VAT rate was reduced in 2011, adding that retention of the lower rate would keep Ireland competitive as a tourist destination and sustain jobs in local communities.
He warned that tourism is one of the only industries creating employment in every corner of the country - and that if the 9% VAT rate is increased, jobs will be lost.

Hospitality sector should be excluded from this scheme.

cloudatlas

Chris___ wrote: »

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DM5gONlbSSvSV11rvIA1HumKA0jfSBQ6+RZ78OFGoQ+GAluAUK698pYemgGwGu8KjQbfELUXDTp9nlP7myfdiwaaChrNFlG0VEyGNVEB8RVsQ61w9rCiZNTw6dpn53pMaSV7MXhwmedJxR0Y0XftFE+NuqeHo0l4L6ppOPvg9f3dlpu7JCOF/gdn6h0QlO+cpPTUsjU4G/JDXbc/TzK69mihYhMU6dFmyHtO9kEhcSF17sGUDvDN+Z/wBgjxQgXF56TfrLw+Kdt/nfOVOGG56VlnrsMEYjx4h+5BGgYa2XngsTm2lF8xxIJHhGY4rABYxQJoNmH7xK/GObk9nZn9FMKckie4VX8jBAhIYUX0rWGBTgqkUIDlHY1ZNaRdBzCsuiRRbZtbY0ETz+mA+WWB9fYg/xglv995i2W5QBVjkevContwQy9H+jk=

A sector which got a very generous cut in VAT two years ago



Hospitality sector should be excluded from this scheme.

Government departments should be excluded from this scheme.

weisses

Crafts sector just got included (was in the last word)

SeaFields

cloudatlas wrote: »

Government departments should be excluded from this scheme.

and lets not forget retail too.

Smidge

If a person is on js and they get a letter about a jobsbridge "internship" do they have to take it up?

Grab All Association

Smidge wrote: »

If a person is on js and they get a letter about a jobsbridge "internship" do they have to take it up?

I don't know Smidge. I have a few friends in the DSP will ask them for you.

Smidge

Chris___ wrote: »

I don't know Smidge. I have a few friends in the DSP will ask them for you.

Its not for me lol
Was just reading through the thread and was wondering why people are still engaging with it when so many people seem to be exploited and let down by it.

Xenji

Smidge wrote: »

Its not for me lol
Was just reading through the thread and was wondering why people are still engaging with it when so many people seem to be exploited and let down by it.

The majority of people on social welfare actually want to work and get out of the house, well except people on disability of course, they are not all happy just to just get their money every week and never have to work like a lot of the more entitled people on this board think. It is just a shame that these are the only jobs they can take, and it is getting worse week on week, even the seasonal Christmas jobs are all being put up on the scheme and you know they will just let the staff go in January.

YFlyer

zerks wrote: »

Honourable mention goes to the placement in a graveyard,"learn to cut grass".

And to keep the daisies in check.....

sunflower27

Xenji wrote: »

The majority of people on social welfare actually want to work and get out of the house, well except people on disability of course, they are not all happy just to just get their money every week and never have to work like a lot of the more entitled people on this board think. It is just a shame that these are the only jobs they can take, and it is getting worse week on week, even the seasonal Christmas jobs are all being put up on the scheme and you know they will just let the staff go in January.

Correct. At my local employment office almost every position advertised is an internship or CE scheme.

Until this scheme is gone, there is going to be no change. Businesses have the opportunity of free labour and as long as that is available to them, things wont change.

Everything from hotel receptionists, childcare workers, communication assistants, graphic designers, teacher, occupational therapist, chef, deli assistant(plenty of those).

All jobs that the State is subsidising with people's taxes. Almost all ask for a 39-hour week.

Freddy Smelly

i wish someone could organise a petition to scrap the jobsbridge scam

have people stand outside welfare offices on signing days... get as much signatures from people on the dole as possible then take it to the dail!!!

while their at it get signatures demanding joan's resignation too