The Jobbridge Scandal

J_E · 07-03-2014 3:33pm

I'm in a tricky situation...I am looking to hop onto BTEA (it's the only realistic way I can afford college) in September, but if they offer me an internship, I'll have to take it. I don't mind that, but if it cuts into September, surely I'll get penalised for leaving it early to start my degree?

guinnessdrinker · 07-03-2014 3:48pm

Just after taking a quick look at the Jobbridge website. Some of the current advertisments looking for internships are quite shocking.

At a quick glance they include: Laundrette Operative, Car Valet & Car Wash Attendant, Bar Persons, Gardener and Shop Assistants to name only a few!

Is there any other governments in the developed world that would happily stand over and promote a 40 hour per week over 9 months internship on any of the above postions?

Xenji · 07-03-2014 3:52pm

ThirdMan wrote: »

I'm currently on BTEA and I'm finished my degree in June. I'm on the look out for a genuine legal internship. I dread to think I'm gonna be forced into one of these things.

The only legal internship we saw here were looking for a fully qualified solicitor.

darkpagandeath · 07-03-2014 3:53pm

guinnessdrinker wrote: »

Just after taking a quick look at the Jobbridge website. Some of the current advertisments looking for internships are quite shocking.

At a quick glance they include: Laundrette Operative, Car Valet & Car Wash Attendant, Bar Persons, Gardener and Shop Assistants to name only a few!

Is there any other governments in the developed world that would happily stand over and promote a 40 hour per week over 9 months internship on any of the above postions?

China ?

Xenji · 07-03-2014 3:56pm

darkpagandeath wrote: »

China ?

At least you would get a few bowls of rice on top of whatever they were paying you :pac:

ThirdMan · 07-03-2014 4:19pm

Xenji wrote: »

The only legal internship we saw here were looking for a fully qualified solicitor.

No, there's loads of them available, particularly in Dublin.

To be honest I'm not totally against the idea of doing one. I need work experience. It's as simple as that. I'm sure there are some legal firms out there that are taking the mick, but generally speaking most medium to large firms legitimately hire interns and have always done so.

My problem is with the 'internships' that are unnecessary and exploitative. I don't want to be forced into applying for an internship that is of no use to me or my prospective career.

ThirdMan · 07-03-2014 4:35pm

Anyone interested in learning how to pack lawnmower parts for 9 months? It could be the start of a promising career.

shroom007 · 07-03-2014 5:06pm

Cydoniac wrote: »

I'm in a tricky situation...I am looking to hop onto BTEA (it's the only realistic way I can afford college) in September, but if they offer me an internship, I'll have to take it. I don't mind that, but if it cuts into September, surely I'll get penalised for leaving it early to start my degree?

maybe not if you would be entitled to jobseekers if you were not on the scambridge anyway,that time may will count towards the BTEA

I was told last week that if your on a scumbridge and your circumstances change,(move in with your partner etc)they re evaluate your entitlement and while this is being your not entitled to participate and have to leave the scheme.
and after even if everythings ok you can't return to the same company again,or resume the internship. thats from someone in job bridge last week

darkpagandeath · 07-03-2014 5:07pm

ThirdMan wrote: »

Anyone interested in learning how to pack lawnmower parts for 9 months? It could be the start of a promising career.

Love all the other stuff they put on there that you will learn IT stocktaking how will you manage that on a production line ?

shroom007 · 07-03-2014 5:10pm

product replenishment officer

Xenji · 07-03-2014 5:15pm

shroom007 wrote: »

maybe not if you would be entitled to jobseekers if you were not on the scambridge anyway,that time may will count towards the BTEA

I was told last week that if your on a scumbridge and your circumstances change,(move in with your partner etc)they re evaluate your entitlement and while this is being your not entitled to participate and have to leave the scheme.
and after even if everythings ok you can't return to the same company again,or resume the internship. thats from someone in job bridge last week

Yeah if you leave the company you are doing your internship with you can never go back to them, well unless you are actually hired by them. A friend of mine was on €188 a week and had his girlfriend move in with him, she was also on welfare, neither of them were claiming for anything else and she ended up having her welfare cut by €30 and she was only on €140 to begin with.

darkpagandeath · 07-03-2014 5:20pm

Xenji wrote: »

Yeah if you leave the company you are doing your internship with you can never go back to them, well unless you are actually hired by them. A friend of mine was on €188 a week and had his girlfriend move in with him, she was also on welfare, neither of them were claiming for anything else and she ended up having her welfare cut by €30 and she was only on €140 to begin with.

What how ? cohabitation does not cut your standard entitlement unless their under 25 ? There should be no means test if they are both on the standard entitlement. What is there to test.

Paddy Cow · 07-03-2014 5:23pm

Cydoniac wrote: »

I'm in a tricky situation...I am looking to hop onto BTEA (it's the only realistic way I can afford college) in September, but if they offer me an internship, I'll have to take it. I don't mind that, but if it cuts into September, surely I'll get penalised for leaving it early to start my degree?

I left an internship after 5 months to start my degree and it didn't affect my BTEA. That was two years ago though and I would advise checking it out. Technically you are not on the live register while on an internship and I know they are using that now to stop certain benefits eg people being told they can't get the fuel allowance as they are not on the live register.

When I applied for BTEA I know you had to be signing on for a certain amount of time before you qualified and I would hate for you to take up an internship and then be told in September that you can't get BTEA as technically you weren't on the live register. I don't know it they would do this to you but the rules are constantly changing so definitely check it out.

shroom007 · 07-03-2014 5:24pm

Xenji wrote: »

Yeah if you leave the company you are doing your internship with you can never go back to them, well unless you are actually hired by them. A friend of mine was on €188 a week and had his girlfriend move in with him, she was also on welfare, neither of them were claiming for anything else and she ended up having her welfare cut by €30 and she was only on €140 to begin with.

you really have to watch your back its a fecking minefield,

Xenji · 07-03-2014 5:27pm

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What how ? cohabitation does not cut your standard entitlement unless their under 25 ? There should be no means test if they are both on the standard entitlement. What is there to test.

The fella was over 25 and the girl was 23, so they told her that she was his dependant and due to that they had to cut her claim.

darkpagandeath · 07-03-2014 5:39pm

Xenji wrote: »

The fella was over 25 and the girl was 23, so they told her that she was his dependant and due to that they had to cut her claim.

Ah thought so. Not saying its right just wanted to clarify it.

SeanSouth · 07-03-2014 6:05pm

There's an awful lot of whinging and whining on this thread and more than a dollop of naivity as well.

From the employers point of view, I can tell you here and now that I will pay 1000 euro a week to anyone who can earn their keep and generate enough revenue to cover their costs. The minimum wage is all very well but its at a level that makes it very difficult to hire anyone !! We're in a capitalist society whether we like it or not. Employers are not charities and wont survive in business very long if they dont hire wisely and ensure that the cost basis is in line with the revenue stream.

Jobbridge is a good scheme. Young people should use it to their advantage.
Approach an employer that you want to work for. Go after the skills and experience that you need and get yourself into a position where you can earn more for an employer than you cost. It really is as simple as that. If you do that and promote a healthy and enthusiastic attitude to your work, I can guarantee you that you will be out of jobbridge in no time and into full time regular employment. Jobbridge is a means to an end. Unfortunately its also a separating of the wheat from the chaff. People with bad attitude, low productivity, clock watchers and individuals with overbearing sense of entitlement will come and go. The others will succeed and do so rapidly.

Employers have no interest in people who are putting in time. You need to be conscious of your contribution and your attitude.You need to have clear goals and a burning desire to succeed.

You must decide which group you belong to. If you have reasonable intelligence you will plot your course, plan where you want to get to and how to get there. If you are a loser you will sit around all day complaining about the slave labour of jobbridge and complaining that the government hasn't provided you with a job.

For anybody out there that believes that employers are laughing all the way to the bank, nothing could be further from the truth. Employers will hire enthusiastic hard working individuals all day long.

Jobbridge is a two way street.Take control of it and make it work for you. If you start tomorrow packing tractor parts and if you make a good impression, it wont be long before you're running the packaging department. You make your own luck. Its up to each individual

shroom007 · 07-03-2014 6:08pm

SeanSouth wrote: »

There's an awful lot of whinging and whining on this thread and more than a dollop of naivity as well.

From the employers point of view, I can tell you here and now that I will pay 1000 euro a week to anyone who can earn their keep and generate enough revenue to cover their costs. The minimum wage is all very well but its at a level that makes it very difficult to hire anyone !! We're in a capitalist society whether we like it or not. Employers are not charities and wont survive in business very long if they dont hire wisely and ensure that the cost basis is in line with the revenue stream.

Jobbridge is a good scheme. Young people should use it to their advantage.
Approach an employer that you want to work for. Go after the skills and experience that you need and get yourself into a position where you can earn more for an employer than you cost. It really is as simple as that. If you do that and promote a healthy and enthusiastic attitude to your work, I can guarantee you that you will be out of jobbridge in no time and into full time regular employment. Jobbridge is a means to an end. Unfortunately its also a separating of the wheat from the chaff. People with bad attitude, low productivity, clock watchers and individuals with overbearing sense of entitlement will come and go. The others will succeed and do so rapidly.

Employers have no interest in people who are putting in time. You need to be conscious of your contribution and your attitude.You need to have clear goals and a burning desire to succeed.

You must decide which group you belong to. If you have reasonable intelligence you will plot your course, plan where you want to get to and how to get there. If you are a loser you will sit around all day complaining about the slave labour of jobbridge and complaining that the government hasn't provided you with a job.

For anybody out there that believes that employers are laughing all the way to the bank, nothing could be further from the truth. Employers will hire enthusiastic hard working individuals all day long.

Jobbridge is a two way street.Make it work for you.

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darkpagandeath · 07-03-2014 6:14pm

SeanSouth wrote: »

There's an awful lot of whinging and whining on this thread and more than a dollop of naivity as well.

From the employers point of view, I can tell you here and now that I will pay 1000 euro a week to anyone who can earn their keep and generate enough revenue to cover their costs. The minimum wage is all very well but its at a level that makes it very difficult to hire anyone !! We're in a capitalist society whether we like it or not. Employers are not charities and wont survive in business very long if they dont hire wisely and ensure that the cost basis is in line with the revenue stream.

Jobbridge is a good scheme. Young people should use it to their advantage.
Approach an employer that you want to work for. Go after the skills and experience that you need and get yourself into a position where you can earn more for an employer than you cost. It really is as simple as that. If you do that and promote a healthy and enthusiastic attitude to your work, I can guarantee you that you will be out of jobbridge in no time and into full time regular employment. Jobbridge is a means to an end. Unfortunately its also a separating of the wheat from the chaff. People with bad attitude, low productivity, clock watchers and individuals with overbearing sense of entitlement will come and go. The others will succeed and do so rapidly.

Employers have no interest in people who are putting in time. You need to be conscious of your contribution and your attitude.You need to have clear goals and a burning desire to succeed.

You must decide which group you belong to. If you have reasonable intelligence you will plot your course, plan where you want to get to and how to get there. If you are a loser you will sit around all day complaining about the slave labour of jobbridge and complaining that the government hasn't provided you with a job.

For anybody out there that believes that employers are laughing all the way to the bank, nothing could be further from the truth. Employers will hire enthusiastic hard working individuals all day long.

Jobbridge is a two way street.Make it work for you.

This did make me laugh a lot.

So out of the 400k people their all lazy ? If they will hire hard working people why aren't they ? Were is this massive list of unfilled jobs is it some kind of secret ? I sense some flaws in your logic

Guy:Incognito · 07-03-2014 6:16pm

SeanSouth wrote: »

Employers are not charities

The shouldn't receive free labour so.

SeanSouth · 07-03-2014 6:20pm

Absolutely correct.

If you want a job come to me, I'll give you a job. If you want to earn 400 per week, Ill give you a job provided you earn 500 for my business in revenue.
If you're not able to do this or dont have the skills necessary to do this (yet)
then concentrate on getting those skills. If you want a job but dont contribute enough to the company to cover your costs then unfortunately, I cant give you a job.

Laugh on.

Guy:Incognito · 07-03-2014 6:26pm

SeanSouth wrote: »

Absolutely correct.

If you want a job come to me, I'll give you a job. If you want to earn 400 per week, Ill give you a job provided you earn 500 for my business in revenue.
If you're not able to do this or dont have the skills necessary to do this (yet)
then concentrate on getting those skills. If you want a job but dont contribute enough to the company to cover your costs then unfortunately, I cant give you a job.

Laugh on.

This thread is about the government providing free labour to businesses. Presumably that includes you competitors. If those people only make the company €10 a week, that's profit for them.

shroom007 · 07-03-2014 6:28pm

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The shouldn't receive free labour so.

they were all capatilists when it was flying but when the sh*t hit the fan there all socialists, keep the profits share the debt,
sure its a bleedin charity those hosting an intern are running its for the good of the cuntry
giving the unemployed a sense of dignity and all that ole rope.

dress it up how you like there's no one better to feed of their our people than the Irish whether it be houses, banks, business if they could have us all working for 2 euro an hour then happy days
and this whole credit crunch meldown has been nothing but a huge scam to ditch the gambling debts and erode what employment rights people have gained
over the last 50 years.

SeanSouth · 07-03-2014 6:33pm

Anyone with an ounce of intelligence will not apply for a dish washing job as a jobbridge intern. Whats the point in that. You learn nothing and some scoundrel employer makes a profit on you.

No, I'll say it again. You need to decide what kind of employment you want and go after it from there. The job bridge scheme is ideally suited for this.

So if you have a Phd in electronics and you are interested in working for lets say Intel or Apple, you make an approach to these companies with a proposition that you work in their R&D centre through the job bridge scheme. All they have to do is fill out a few forms. Once you get in the door you roll up your sleaves and do your level best to improve your skills and get on well with a hope that you secure employment at the endOR that you leave there with solid experience.

Dont be an advert responder. Make the approach yourself to the employer you wish to work for. Show some initiative. Show some drive and enthusiasm.
Oh yeah boy, Employers love enthusiastic people !!

Christy42 · 07-03-2014 6:38pm

SeanSouth wrote: »

Absolutely correct.

If you want a job come to me, I'll give you a job. If you want to earn 400 per week, Ill give you a job provided you earn 500 for my business in revenue.
If you're not able to do this or dont have the skills necessary to do this (yet)
then concentrate on getting those skills. If you want a job but dont contribute enough to the company to cover your costs then unfortunately, I cant give you a job.

Laugh on.

Why would you do that? You can hire an intern to the same job (even if they do it worse and only earn you 300 a week) for nothing. There is no incentive for you to hire someone who can earn 500 a week by paying them 400 a week unless their skill is truly unique which, by definition, is pretty rare.

Also how did people get work before this scheme? Isn't it weird that we suddenly have so many more unhireable people that need experience in stacking shelves since the recession started? Mighty strange that, one might even surmise that people are not less skilled than they were before but that there are less jobs than before. In that case the scheme doesn't do a whole lot, if there is one job and it the choice is between two people then it doesn't matter if both have an extra 9 months experience as only one can get the job.

darkpagandeath · 07-03-2014 6:42pm

SeanSouth wrote: »

Anyone with an ounce of intelligence will not apply for a dish washing job as a jobbridge intern. Whats the point in that. You learn nothing and some scoundrel employer makes a profit on you.

No, I'll say it again. You need to decide what kind of employment interests you want and go after it from there. The job bridge scheme is ideally suited for this.

So if you have a Phd in electronics and you are interested in working for lets say Intel or Apple, you make an approach to these companies with a proposition that you work in their R&D centre through the job bridge scheme. All they have to do is fill out a few forms. Once you get in the door you roll up your sleaves and do your level best to improve your skills and get on well with a hope that you secure employment at the endOR that you leave there with solid experience.

Dont be an advert responder. Make the approach yourself to the employer you wish to work for. Show some initiative. Show some drive and enthusiasm.
Oh yeah boy, Employers love enthusiastic people !!

And when Fas or whoever is making you do any internship as you healthy and available for work ? Yes employers love enthusiastic interns that they don't pay why would they not love that ? Think your missing the point here if there were jobs with these company's they would be advertised.

shroom007 · 07-03-2014 6:43pm

employers are graizing the unemployed without any risk and with the backing of the government, interns are kept in a state of inertia kicking a can down the road for 9 ,months with what is only a possibility (slim) of getting employment or proper training etc

and thats the small number of internships that have any relevance to their skills
the rest are worthless to anyone who wants to further develope their skill set and the threat of these schemes like scambridge/and the rest becoming compulsory for some is sending people straight to the airport, which is grand i spose

darkpagandeath · 07-03-2014 6:44pm

shroom007 wrote: »

they were all capatilists when it was flying but when the sh*t hit the fan there all socialists, keep the profits share the debt,
sure its a bleedin charity those hosting an intern are running its for the good of the cuntry
giving the unemployed a sense of dignity and all that ole rope.

dress it up how you like there's no one better to feed of their our people than the Irish whether it be houses, banks, business if they could have us all working for 2 euro an hour then happy days
and this whole credit crunch meldown has been nothing but a huge scam to ditch the gambling debts and erode what employment rights people have gained
over the last 50 years.

Ah so pointing out blatant abuse of a system designed to provide college graduates a foot in the door is being socialist now ? Jobbridge was never designed to be used by entry level job employers. It was designed to provide a grad with relevant job experience in their filed.

shroom007 · 07-03-2014 6:48pm

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Ah so pointing out blatant abuse of a system designed to provide college graduates a foot in the door is being socialist now ? Jobbridge was never designed to be used by entry level job employers. It was designed to provide a grad with relevant job experience in there filed.

and is that whats happening, lets be honest now

SeanSouth · 07-03-2014 7:00pm

No, Im afraid its you who are missing the point and heres the point again in graphic detail.

Lets picture a company X with two employees
Every month the sales are 2
Every month the costs are 2
The profit each month is NIL

John Negative joins the company as a jobbridge intern. John doesnt really want to be there and complains on each tea break how unfair it all is. John observes and assists to a certain degree but fails to add any value to the business.
At the end of the month the sales and the costs are still 2. This is repeated for the next five months. John then leaves the company complaining bitterly that he wasnt offered a job and look at all "the free labour I supplied". The reality is that John added no value to the business and the business cant afford to hire him.

Joan Enthusiastic joins the company as a jobbridge intern the following Monday.
Joan is pleasant, easy to work with and full of ideas. Joan asks the boss to set her some goals and sets out to achieve them. Joan informs the boss that she has good knowledge of social media and web development and offers to take care of setting it all up. She explains to the boss that she feels confident that with a good website , a properly targetted marketing campaign and a social media presence that she can improve the sales. At the end of the 1st and 2nd month there is no change to the profitability of the business. At the end of month 3, the sales have risen to 2.5. At the end of month 5, the sales have risen to 3 and at the end of month 6, the sales are at 3.5. The costs have remained the same. The business is now making 1.5 per month profit. The boss is delighted and can see how much value that Joan Positive as added to the company in just six months. He offers her a job. The reason he can offer her the job is because the company has become more profitable.

This illustration is completely exaggerated to make the point. Joan made her own job and that is the way people need to think about the jobbridge scheme.

The days of just "getting a job" and sitting in the corner picking your nose are long gone. If you can make a contribution you will be sought out, otherwise you wont. Its not the responsibility of the government, or the capitalist employer to get you work. The responsibility is yours alone

The Jobbridge Scandal

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