The Jobbridge Scandal

MadsL · 10-07-2013 7:26am

April O Neill wrote: »

This is a lie.

Excuse me? I could link you to the person's Linked In profile and you could see for yourself - except it would be unfair to out them.

IK09 · 10-07-2013 9:26am

El Gato wrote: »

Wow, that really is the exception ...... 75% success rate?

That's even better than the gov't figures...atta boy

Obviously its going to be scammed, thats the nature of this country. You can use the scheme or not, but ive a funny feeling that the only people complaining about "government figures" and "cheap labour" are the same people that wouldnt work an unskilled job. Too high and mighty to get there hands dirty. As for the comment above, theres alot i could "guess" about your personality.

The "ive handed my cv into 50 places" approach isnt working. Why not try something different. The scheme wasnt set up to directly help our unemployment figures.(maybe indirectly)

JobBridge, the National Internship Scheme (NIS) is a Government initiative designed
to offer jobseekers that have a live claim and have been in receipt of Jobseekers
Allowance/
Jobseekers
Benefit
/One Pa
rent Family Payment/
Disability Allowance
or
signing
for Social Insurance Contribution credits for at least 3 months (78 days), the
opportunity to enhance their current skills and develop new ones. The duration of
individual internship positions will be a 6
month or a 9 month placement.

"the opportunity to enhance their current skills and develop new ones" it says it on its website. I agree, the likes of Tesco shouldnt be using it. Large organizations should be barred from using it(not unskilled areas i.e bar staff etc.) If you work in a bar, its like learning a trade. Its a perfect example, not many bar owners/managers want the hassle of taking on someone who is "untrained". This gives the intern a perfect way to learn a new skill and it makes them employable in that sector. Not just here but abroad.

Hobbes · 10-07-2013 9:36am

IK09 wrote: »

are the same people that wouldnt work an unskilled job. Too high and mighty to get there hands dirty.

The point is that internships should not exist for unskilled jobs. The whole point of an internship is that you learn a trade skill, gives you experience and helps you onto the employment ladder. (old "Can't get a job without experience, can't get experience without a job").

It is being horribly abused, and I am amazed some of the places can keep a straight face advertising some of these jobs.

Also not working an unskilled job vs don't want to work an unskilled job are two different things.

Take me for example. I have a very specialised skill set that has taken years to build up. If I was to be unemployed, I would be looking for jobs in that area and not at unskilled work. The reason is, if I do end up in an unskilled job, it stops me from actively looking for work for which I trained for. It also causes your specialised skills to entropy, making you less favourable to employees.

So I would much prefer being paid dole, and being able to actively look for work, then having mine and other taxes subsidising businesses to hire free labor for them.

April O Neill · 10-07-2013 9:43am

MadsL wrote: »

Excuse me? I could link you to the person's Linked In profile and you could see for yourself - except it would be unfair to out them.

How convenient.

El Gato · 10-07-2013 10:48am

IK09 wrote: »

Obviously its going to be scammed, thats the nature of this country. You can use the scheme or not, but ive a funny feeling that the only people complaining about "government figures" and "cheap labour" are the same people that wouldnt work an unskilled job. Too high and mighty to get there hands dirty.

Again you should read before you make assumptions. I have worked in unskilled roles in the past, I am giving out about the gov't figures because they are LIES plain and simple.

I glad to see that you are so narrow minded to think it's the 'nature of this country'. It is the gov't that are responsible, that is a fact.

IK09 wrote: »

As for the comment above, theres alot i could "guess" about your personality.

My comment stated that you know 3 people that have completed their 'internships' and secured employment is a 75% success rate. The gov't massaged stats report that 66% of completing participants go on to secure employment within 5 months. If you look earlier in the thread the completion rate is in the 24% region, so 66% or 24% (of 100 participants) would mean that 16 in every 100 would secure employment , so yes, again you are citing the exception to the rule.

As for 'guessing' about my personality...I have worked in bars, restaurants, hotels, retail, chippers and even as a contract cleaner...so don't even try to 'guess' about my personality, I will always work regardless of how much of a toll it will take on my body....

IK09 wrote: »

The "ive handed my cv into 50 places" approach isnt working. Why not try something different. The scheme wasnt set up to directly help our unemployment figures.(maybe indirectly)

No, well what was the scheme set up to do?

IK09 wrote: »

JobBridge, the National Internship Scheme (NIS) is a Government initiative designed
to offer jobseekers that have a live claim and have been in receipt of Jobseekers
Allowance/
Jobseekers
Benefit
/One Pa
rent Family Payment/
Disability Allowance
or
signing
for Social Insurance Contribution credits for at least 3 months (78 days), the
opportunity to enhance their current skills and develop new ones. The duration of
individual internship positions will be a 6
month or a 9 month placement.

What skills are achieved by stacking shelves, washing cars, pouring coffee or answering phones?

IK09 wrote: »

"the opportunity to enhance their current skills and develop new ones" it says it on its website. I agree, the likes of Tesco shouldnt be using it. Large organizations should be barred from using it(not unskilled areas i.e bar staff etc.) If you work in a bar, its like learning a trade. Its a perfect example, not many bar owners/managers want the hassle of taking on someone who is "untrained". This gives the intern a perfect way to learn a new skill and it makes them employable in that sector. Not just here but abroad.

Earlier in the thread you thought it was fine for someone to be exploited as a shelf stacker as it was a 'foot in the door'.

There is CERT for hearing hospitality skills (including bar, restaurant, kitchen etc) so again that should deal those candidates.

Even now, after the scheme has been outed as a blatant way for companies to get free labour, you are defending it?

I don't have to guess, that says a lot about you.

10-07-2013 10:56am

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Thats ridiculous. The person who is most qualified or best suited to the job should get it. It shouldn't be based on how much the company can get from the government.

People want the govt to "create jobs" and this is the sh!te we get.
They should stop infering in the job market completely. If they insist on helping, let them help retrain or reskill with fas courses some more.

I have no problem with internships, but the govt sticking their noses in and paying employers to do it disrupts everything.

IK09 · 10-07-2013 11:02am

El Gato wrote: »

I glad to see that you are so narrow minded to think it's the 'nature of this country'. It is the gov't that are responsible, that is a fact.

Are you for real....it is the nature of this country. There are hundreds of examples. You cant deny that this country is ravaged by greed(our own greed that is). From what your saying, im guessing your in the "the bank shouldnt have given me the loan...its their fault" brigade :rolleyes:. We are responsible for what we do and what we are....not the gov't. You can blame regulation and schemes all you want. Have you any experience with the scheme? As a matter of fact, how many people here giving out about it have actually ever used it? And im not talking about, a friend of a friend said situations.

April O Neill · 10-07-2013 11:05am

What's depressing about this whole thing is what it says about human nature. That there are a lot of employers who are as exploitative as they are allowed to be.

IK09 · 10-07-2013 11:07am

bluewolf wrote: »

If they insist on helping, let them help retrain or reskill with fas courses some more.

Thats the exact point of the scheme, it says it on its website. Calling it scambridge or blaming the gov't for large corporations abusing it is just stupid.

Has anyone called job bridge to get an answer for why they are allowing it to happen? The answer is probably not. We'll just all go on the internet and complain about it....its the gov't who should be doing it! Why should i have to call them!! Thats what i pay my taxes for!!!

Il call them now and see what they say.

10-07-2013 11:07am

IK09 wrote: »

Thats the exact point of the scheme, it says it on its website. Calling it scambridge or blaming the gov't for large corporations abusing it is just stupid.

Has anyone called job bridge to get an answer for why they are allowing it to happen? The answer is probably not. We'll just all go on the internet and complain about it....its the gov't who should be doing it! Why should i have to call them!! Thats what i pay my taxes for!!!

Il call them now and see what they say.

What?

IK09 · 10-07-2013 11:10am

Whats so hard to understand bluewolf?

10-07-2013 11:12am

All of it

Xenji · 10-07-2013 11:18am

IK09 wrote: »

Whats so hard to understand bluewolf?

Never knew you could get a internship as a troll....

maximoose · 10-07-2013 11:19am

Xenji wrote: »

Never knew you could get a internship as a troll....

If he was my intern he'd definitely get a job afterwards, he's great at it!

IK09 · 10-07-2013 11:25am

Sorry il clarify,
You said "if they insist on helping, let them retrain or reskill with fas".
The point of the scheme is to "give the opportunity to enhance their current skills and develop new ones".
FAS as we have seen in the past, was a body that was abused, abused so much so that it has been completely discredited. Abused by the people who ran it and abused by the people who were in it.
The gov't are now offering a different kind of scheme. A scheme which allows businesses to start up (yes with cheap labor) and unskilled/under qualified people to get experience in something they would like to work at.

I cant remember who said it, but they said something along the lines of "you wouldnt do it washing cars", true. But if i was on the dole and thinking, i might start a car wash/ valet service. It would be a dawm good place to test the water, see whats involved, get an understanding about how other businesses work, cost the process.

Amalgam · 10-07-2013 11:27am

Hasn't this been rebadged/renamed/tweaked of late? I distinctly heard Joan Burton's distressed moose like whine, being heckled by a journo on RTE Radio 1, on Monday..

El Gato · 10-07-2013 11:33am

IK09 wrote: »

Are you for real....it is the nature of this country. There are hundreds of examples. You cant deny that this country is ravaged by greed(our own greed that is). From what your saying, im guessing your in the "the bank shouldnt have given me the loan...its their fault" brigade :rolleyes:. We are responsible for what we do and what we are....not the gov't. You can blame regulation and schemes all you want. Have you any experience with the scheme? As a matter of fact, how many people here giving out about it have actually ever used it? And im not talking about, a friend of a friend said situations.

Again, you show your ignorance by 'guessing' about my situation. I have never skirted form any of my responsibilities so you may want to keep your 'guesses' to yourself.

You must never have been outside of this country if you think its the nature of this country.

No, I don't have experience of the scheme as I wouldn't like to take the opportunity form a recent grad who has studied for up to 4 years in a particular field, like you have done, nor would I perpetuate a scheme that the gov't are not monitoring correctly.

Let's get this straight, it is a gov't scheme and the gov't are responsible for the enforcement of the rules and regulations of the scheme.

IK09 wrote: »

....And im not talking about, a friend of a friend said situations.

There you go again, you know 4 people ......

I DO know 2 people who took up internships on the scheme and were treated like dirt.....but I guess I can't say that because you might 'guess' that they were wrong for not liking being treated like dirt :rolleyes:

IK09 · 10-07-2013 11:34am

I dunno its still jobbridge.ie I rang them there and they said they will ring me back.

El Gato · 10-07-2013 11:35am

IK09 wrote: »

I dunno its still jobbridge.ie I rang them there and they said they will ring me back.

Must be a quiet day on your 'internship'

IK09 · 10-07-2013 11:45am

El Gato wrote: »

You must never have been outside of this country if you think its the nature of this country.

Its the result of being outside the country that gave me that opinion. If i hadnt left the country i wouldnt have been able to comment as i would have had no experience.

El Gato wrote: »

No, I don't have experience of the scheme as I wouldn't like to take the opportunity form a recent grad who has studied for up to 4 years in a particular field, like you have done, nor would I perpetuate a scheme that the gov't are not monitoring correctly.

Let's get this straight, it is a gov't scheme and the gov't are responsible for the enforcement of the rules and regulations of the scheme.

How noble of you, sitting there complaining about the gov't is far more constructive.

As for the "it must be a busy day...." comment. Thats what start up businesses are like somedays there is too much work, others there isnt enough.

Im out of this conversation. Have fun moaning. Im sure it will do you the world of good, while your at it you might aswell have a moan about it being too hot, or that theres nothing good on tv at this hour.

April O Neill · 10-07-2013 11:49am

IK09 wrote: »

Its the result of being outside the country that gave me that opinion. If i hadnt left the country i wouldnt have been able to comment as i would have had no experience.

Ooh, have you been to ALL the countries? All 200+ of them? Lucky you!

Ya know, if you want to be hired at the end, you'd be better off finding work to do, rather than posting on here.

If anything, start-ups are busier than established companies.

DenMan · 10-07-2013 11:53am

Enda has promised a big meeting next week to discuss job creation. Wonder how it will go!

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cabinet-to-hold-special-job-creation-meeting-next-week-600016.html

El Gato · 10-07-2013 11:56am

IK09 wrote: »

Its the result of being outside the country that gave me that opinion. If i hadnt left the country i wouldnt have been able to comment as i would have had no experience.

How noble of you, sitting there complaining about the gov't is far more constructive.

As for the "it must be a busy day...." comment. Thats what start up businesses are like somedays there is too much work, others there isnt enough.

Im out of this conversation. Have fun moaning. Im sure it will do you the world of good, while your at it you might aswell have a moan about it being too hot, or that theres nothing good on tv at this hour.

It starts to become clear......nothing about being constructive or not. It's discussions like this that brought about the awareness of the scam being perpetuated by these companies as the gov't have done nothing about it to this point.

As far as start-up companies are concerned I have 1st hand experience and in my experience I NEVER had a quiet day - the nature of a start-up and if the start-up you are doing your internship for IS having quiet days it doesn't look good for you gaining a permanent role from them.

I'm loving the weather and I don't watch TV.

El Gato · 10-07-2013 12:02pm

DenMan wrote: »

Enda has promised a big meeting next week to discuss job creation. Wonder how it will go!

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/cabinet-to-hold-special-job-creation-meeting-next-week-600016.html

This will go the same way as everything else this gov't does - nowhere

missingtime · 10-07-2013 5:23pm

They are talking about this on Matt cooper now

jjbrien · 10-07-2013 6:39pm

missingtime wrote: »

They are talking about this on Matt cooper now

link is here

http://player.todayfm.com/player/listen_back/7/4181/10th_July_2013_-_The_Last_Word_with_Matt_Cooper_Part_2

listing to it now starts at 17:50

clairefontaine · 10-07-2013 6:47pm

El Gato wrote: »

This will go the same way as everything else this gov't does - nowhere

Usually goes to a cul de tax hike.

jjbrien · 10-07-2013 6:47pm

I find it funny that Willie O'Dea of FF is the one on the phone about this. His party came up with this scheme and the current government expended it they are both as a bad as each other. Then the Irish bussiness guy said oh it was only 23 people hes wrong it was 23 companies god knows how many they had on the internship. Could be a big company for all we know or a little corner shop.

Nate--IRL-- · 10-07-2013 9:27pm

IK09 wrote: »

As a matter of fact, how many people here giving out about it have actually ever used it? And im not talking about, a friend of a friend said situations.

Me for a start.

Nate

Xenji · 10-07-2013 9:34pm

The Jobbridge Scandal

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