The Jobbridge Scandal

guinnessdrinker

dxhound2005 wrote: »

So for 6500 people constantly churning over you want someone to interview every one of them and their Jobbridge employer and their new employer, if any. And then categorise how relevant their job is to the training they received on Jobbridge. As far as I can see that is partly what the Indecon exercise did. But how often would you want this exercise conducted. Every week, every month? If someone gets a job or changes job 6 months after leaving Jobbridge how would you go about capturing that information for instance? To me it does not sound like a simple exercise at all.

This just proves how haphazardly the scheme is and how badly planned it was and still is.

On Jobbridge results can not be measured accurately. Companies or interns can not be monitored properly. In the real world a project, product, initiative or scheme is always closely monitored to gauge it's success or failure.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Reading through this thread and I get the impression that were the government to set up work camps and force the unemployed into them, there would still be apologists in here telling us that Enda is doing this for us b

JobBridge was a good idea that has been abused by greedy private business'. There is nothing wrong with getting 9 months experience in a specialised field in order for a new graduate to gain valuable work experience. It's the manual labour ones that are devaluing it. I even have no problem with admin posts being offered as an internship for up to 6 months. Again for new graduates.

As for "work camps", I assume you mean the many CE and TUS schemes. I would suggest you look closer at some in your local area and see the invaluable work they do. They run creches and daycare facilities, tourist offices, maintain sporting venues, etc. I know you can say that these are jobs that could be done on a full time basis by any individual, but they also give a wide vairety of people the chance to get out for a set time and interact with others in the same situation as themselves. It gives them a breathing space between unemployment and possible return to either further education and full time employment.

Guy:Incognito

Deleted User wrote: »

JobBridge was a good idea that has been abused by greedy private business'. .
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Which the government is not only doing nothing about but encouraging it and justifying it.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

JobBridge was a good idea that has been abused by greedy private business'. There is nothing wrong with getting 9 months experience in a specialised field in order for a new graduate to gain valuable work experience. It's the manual labour ones that are devaluing it. I even have no problem with admin posts being offered as an internship for up to 6 months. Again for new graduates.

As for "work camps", I assume you mean the many CE and TUS schemes. I would suggest you look closer at some in your local area and see the invaluable work they do. They run creches and daycare facilities, tourist offices, maintain sporting venues, etc. I know you can say that these are jobs that could be done on a full time basis by any individual, but they also give a wide vairety of people the chance to get out for a set time and interact with others in the same situation as themselves. It gives them a breathing space between unemployment and possible return to either further education and full time employment.

By work camps I meant something out if Nazi germany.it was a joke a out how no matter what the government does there are people who will blindly defend them.

TUS schemes are every bit as bad as jobsbridge. These jobs you speak of should be paying roles where the employee makes a good wage and not just get a top up on their social welfare payment. The more of these schemes the government introduces the more jobs that are removed from the economy.

Xenji

Interns are only checked up on once, and that is when they are in the last month, a member of FAS ( Solas ) comes in and asks what they thought of the internship, what you think you learned and then the intern has to sign a piece of paper and is given some literature about finding jobs, also the DSP have no involvement with the interns.

Guy:Incognito

Xenji wrote: »

Interns are only checked up on once, and that is when they are in the last month, a member of FAS ( Solas ) comes in and asks what they thought of the internship, what you think you learned and then the intern has to sign a piece of paper and is given some literature about finding jobs, also the DSP have no involvement with the interns.

Just when they are at the stage where they are hoping to be kept on? Cant imagine too many being negative unless they've already been told they have no hope of a job.

Xenji

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Just when they are at the stage where they are hoping to be kept on? Cant imagine too many being negative unless they've already been told they have no hope of a job.

The interns I deal with in the Council cannot be kept on, so it is always interesting hearing what they tell them, some do not know about the moratorium before they take the internship or even a few weeks or months into it, a fact that a one member of Solas has ridiculed a couple of interns about before for not knowing about it before they went for the internship.

Guy:Incognito

Xenji wrote: »

The interns I deal with in the Council cannot be kept on, so it is always interesting hearing what they tell them, some do not know about the moratorium before they take the internship or even a few weeks or months into it, a fact that a one member of Solas has ridiculed a couple of interns about before for not knowing about it before they went for the internship.

You would think everyone would know about that at this stage. I'd say most in private companies though are kept conveniently in the dark till the last minute with regard the future after the 9 months is up.

Xenji

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

You would think everyone would know about that at this stage. I'd say most in private companies though are kept conveniently in the dark till the last minute with regard the future after the 9 months is up.

You would be surprised how many people do not know about, we still get job applications every week and over half of all interns we have had never heard of it or fully understood.

gambit83

Hitchroun wrote: »

Check out this new great opportunity, an internship of a life time!

Its hard to break into the car cleaning business...

internships and companies like this should be reported

SCOOP 64

Hitchroun wrote: »

Check out this new great opportunity, an internship of a life time!

Its hard to break into the car cleaning business...

People who actually go and take these type if internships on deserve a good kick up the ass, 9 months on how to wash and Hoover a car , if no none did company would have to take someone on to keep it running, even at €8.65 a hr ,a full time job for someone. same with coffee shops and sandwich makers.

gambit83

just came across this website from another jobbridge thread that is now locked, anyone and their seems to be quiet a few against jobbridge might be interested in it http://www.scambridge.ie/

SCOOP 64

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

People who actually go and take these type if internships on deserve a good kick up the ass, 9 months on how to wash and Hoover a car , if no none did company would have to take someone on to keep it running, even at €8.65 a hr ,a full time job for someone. same with coffee shops and sandwich makers.

You'd be surprised by how many people are being forced to take these by FAS. I know a few people who has the choice to either take an internship or lose part if their payment. One lad now works stocking shelves in Centra, the other makes sandwiches in the deli.

gambit83

gambit83 wrote: »

just came across this website from another jobbridge thread that is now locked, anyone and their seems to be quiet a few against jobbridge might be interested in it http://www.scambridge.ie/

Reading through the "Share your stories", I've doubts that they are genuine. One claims that 25% of the host organisation in made up of Interns, this is not allowed. Printing inaccurate stuff like this does their cause no good. I also have difficulties with the organiser, Paul Murphy and the Socialist Party just using those on JobBridge for electioneering gain.

donegal11

osarusan wrote: »

Also, the host organisation offered paid positions to 860 people, which was 18.7% of the total number of internships hosted.

(Table 3.17 on page 47).

Just to be clear the paid positions could be only for a few weeks after the nine months to cover the employers shame(previously you needed to hire an intern to clear the way for more). Joan made it clear that all those received some work after the internship did certainly not have full time permanent employment which you would assume would be the case. All the figures are twisted to suit the government agenda, you will never hear of the failures or abuses from the government for fear of insulting there friends at IBEC(no naming and shaming). She'll never mention how many interns are currently in paid employment for fear of embarrassment. Someone receiving occasional work after completing an internship is hardly a success either if (A) they were working part time before the internship (B)the work had nothing to do with there internship training.

Xenji

The new Gateway scheme is gonna massage figures even more, although they are getting 5-6 free courses out of it, such as Safe Pass, Manual Handling and a Lawnmower course, we will have over 100 people in for this training over Easter.

donegal11

Deleted User wrote: »

You'd be surprised by how many people are being forced to take these by FAS. I know a few people who has the choice to either take an internship or lose part if their payment. One lad now works stocking shelves in Centra, the other makes sandwiches in the deli.

was the placement under jobbridge or the other "ebusiness" solas course I think you referred to earlier on

Deleted User wrote: »

Reading through the "Share your stories", I've doubts that they are genuine. One claims that 25% of the host organisation in made up of Interns, this is not allowed. Printing inaccurate stuff like this does their cause no good. I also have difficulties with the organiser, Paul Murphy and the Socialist Party just using those on JobBridge for electioneering gain.

Yes it's much better hearing Joan use and misrepresent it for electioneering gain. And she isn't finished yet she's really trying with the hotel federation to set up Apprenticeships for the hospitality/retail sector so essentially they can start paying young workers a pittance under the guise of "training".

donegal11

donegal11 wrote: »

Yes it's much better hearing Joan use and misrepresent it for electioneering gain. And she isn't finished yet she's really trying with the hotel federation to set up Apprenticeships for the hospitality/retail sector so essentially they can start paying young workers a pittance under the guise of "training".

I agree with you that it's scandelous for ANY political party to abuse JobBridge and its "Interns" for political gain. It's just a pity that when one does start a group against it that they are not being honest and this leads to a lack of credibility in their cause. Regarding hotel apprenticeships, they were traditionally offered through CERT, or whatever training organisation is running it now. As long as apprentices are progressing, it's ok.

donegal11

donegal11 wrote: »

was the placement under jobbridge or the other "ebusiness" solas course I think you referred to earlier on



Yes it's much better hearing Joan use and misrepresent it for electioneering gain. And she isn't finished yet she's really trying with the hotel federation to set up Apprenticeships for the hospitality/retail sector so essentially they can start paying young workers a pittance under the guise of "training".

One in the Solas, the other on jobsbridge.

The solas course is a joke. The 3 month placement is supposed to be in a company that will make use of the skills you learnt on the course yet not a single person got such an internship. Instead they are working as the night porters in a B&B where they do 12 hour shifts from 9pm to 9am, they are working in delis, stacking shelves, in charity shops and most are in the place where the course was run. Many if those in the school were let go and the rest were promised a chance at employment in the business they interned. Not one person is getting such a chance, though the guy who runs the B&B promised that after the internship he'd keep them on at €3 an hour as long as they signed off the dole.

All these schemes are scams. Just a way for the government to look good. They're taking genuine jobs from people and replacing it with slave labour.

PopePalpatine

To all of those saying there's "only" ~6,000 people on Jobbridge right now, what's the amount of job vacancies in Ireland right now? I would be surprised if it was more than 20,000.

sligoface

PopePalpatine wrote: »

To all of those saying there's "only" ~6,000 people on Jobbridge right now, what's the amount of job vacancies in Ireland right now? I would be surprised if it was more than 20,000.

Exactly! Pointing to the amount of people currently unemployed or employed and saying that those numbers dwarf the 6500 on jobbridge is completely missing the point. The crux of the matter is that any unemployed person seeking work is finding 1/3 to 1/2 of the positions are unpaid.

I keep saying this to dxhound, to go to the fas website under 'find a job', and look at the difference in numbers between when you select the 'all types' option (which includes unpaid internships and ce) versus when you select the 'job' option, which shows only waged/salary work. Today in my area, Sligo, only 40 out of 88 positions were paid jobs. That is an outrage and proves the impact of the scheme on jobseekers is far from minor. But he chooses to ignore this because he supports fine gael and tinternships,

Out of 30 positions advertised between 21 March and today, 15 are internships, 3 are CE schemes. 1 apprenticeship. 3 of the 11 paid jobs left are part time, 2 of the 11 are commission based dodgy things, leaving 6 full time jobs out of 30 advertised recently. To me, this is a lot more accurate representation of what jobseekers in my area are facing. It's a travesty and shows how this government will go to any lengths to massage the figures and keep their own wallets full, even if it means endorsing moderm day slavery of their own people.

As for those saying that the stories on scambridge must be made up because having 25% of a company being interns is 'not allowed', you need to be aware of how poorly the scheme is monitored. I did a job bridge where there was a sales intern, a marketing intern (me), a graphic design intern, and a web design intern. Plus two people on ce schemes working in reception. The head of the company and seven others in total were getting paid, and two of the seven were part time. So don't kid yourselves, as long as they can take people off the live register, it's allowed. It might be against the rules on paper but happens all the time because no one actually checks to see how many full time paid employees are in a company, no one checks to see if there is an actual mentor or if that person actually is willing or able to teach any skills, or if the mentor actually exists at all.

On my internship, my mentor was gone on a course a few days a week and I did her work while she was gone. Answered her emails and phone calls. She was also pregnant. So that's what they had me for, to cover her days off doing a course (when I was supposed to be the one learning), and her maternity leave. Once I realized this I quit. And guess what? They got another intern to replace me.

Mrs Garth Brooks

The sooner they get rid of this slaveship scheme the better.

I was in the fas office last week discussing my options. Was told that I should contact employers asking for a slaveship. I did this as what else I can I do if they're threatening to cut my dole. The positive side, it might be the push I needed, to get experience blah blah blah. Anyway, they werent taking on anyone.

So the next step was force me onto a useless basic computer course. This I wasnt happy about as I already know the stuff. Im talking about useless modules like library researching skills, internet skills. A soul destroying course for 11 months.

I wasnt having it and went home searched (the internet) for a course I would be interested in. Found a course in a private college that fas pays for. Was told I would need a job offer before they would pay. I wasnt having it myself and felt I was being bullied onto a course which wouldn't benefit me. They were meant to help me and they were only interested in ticking boxes and throwing me onto any course.

They went onto say that I was signing on since 2011. Did a course from September 2011 to May 2012. Like that year was nothing.

They're well able to fiddle with things to make you look bad and them look good.

They should publish the true figures. Jobbridge and courses and appartently you're still signing on.

Yeah, try and force me onto an 11 month course. What would that do for me? Four years signing on. How dare they say my year in college was nothing.

Grab All Association

Assistant Gardner
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Abbey Court hotel Nenagh. Will never stay or eat at that hotel again.

dxhound2005

Seven gardeners.

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Fred Swanson

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Just had a look at the positions in Galway and the following jumped out. A internship as a sales assistant in Specsavers, Web Developers for Hewlett Packard, Sales assistant in Charlie Byrnes, multiple coffee shop assistant roles, online marketing roles which seem to amount to little more than setting up and running a facebook page, multiple receptionist and sales assistant roles in business that can easily afford to hire staff. Of all the internships on offer there's not one that should be up there.

shruikan2553

Deleted User wrote: »

Just had a look at the positions in Galway and the following jumped out. A internship as a sales assistant in Specsavers, Web Developers for Hewlett Packard, Sales assistant in Charlie Byrnes, multiple coffee shop assistant roles, online marketing roles which seem to amount to little more than setting up and running a facebook page, multiple receptionist and sales assistant roles in business that can easily afford to hire staff. Of all the internships on offer there's not one that should be up there.

Web developer wouldnt be too bad. Im giving them the benefit of assuming they arent looking for someone with a 1.1 degree in IT and years experience.

dxhound2005

Deleted User wrote: »

Just had a look at the positions in Galway and the following jumped out. A internship as a sales assistant in Specsavers, Web Developers for Hewlett Packard, Sales assistant in Charlie Byrnes, multiple coffee shop assistant roles, online marketing roles which seem to amount to little more than setting up and running a facebook page, multiple receptionist and sales assistant roles in business that can easily afford to hire staff. Of all the internships on offer there's not one that should be up there.

If the scheme was abolished there would still be 10,000 on the dole in Galway City. If the 119 placements available in Galway City were made into proper jobs and given to people on the dole there would still be 10,000 on the dole in Galway City. The problem in Galway City is that there are too few vacancies for the number of people unemployed.

http://intern.jobbridge.ie/Default.aspx?q=sjDArutve/3w53BLzNXooesjqRrGoX95L6zX310XQ+ZkPrjRXZfgnq9aCED/CBaEB7/EYciwt/RC+LOlNxs8UD9LAjj7M2Lo3u/cRXi0yliyP7RK7hJYFN5Gsp8+RANXSYBeOqEYtCqemWWEJdAziz9+vtGCYaMQMuy5jzXVd0sfV26ZiZV1AtDLuiMMZ4YdvvqI0PRMQpyMQ//ulCkhW+l4iceCn7/nTqJSqGeecF0WlrhRwEk5eHgVEeU55JZ3FjlbfsY6x8Zr8mG5jXdwAq4ciytM00z1ozmuvCrC6AlDERc1/IhNXmPFQtPl5ya2CldENQJlbk+Uzqd7NL6es8Y6o2CYS8exunaxVHAcK1blTRgFjpdv78sc1a+9cxH3A7CPFkuk3FFT58R567RGAg==

Backstreet Moyes

Honestly i was trying to find a job this time last year and while it was difficult i can't believe the difference a year later. I ended up getting a part time job until after Christmas. Since then i have given up all hope of getting a paid job in my City. I would say about 25% of jobs were internships last year now it's about 60% i can't believe how exploited it has become. Normal part time jobs are now becoming internships. In fairness who can blame greedy employers the goverment is allowing them hire people for free so why wouldn't they do it.

tomwaterford

dxhound2005 wrote: »

If the scheme was abolished there would still be 10,000 on the dole in Galway City. If the 119 placements available in Galway City were made into proper jobs and given to people on the dole there would still be 10,000 on the dole in Galway City. The problem in Galway City is that there are too few vacancies for the number of people unemployed.

http://intern.jobbridge.ie/Default.aspx?q=sjDArutve/3w53BLzNXooesjqRrGoX95L6zX310XQ+ZkPrjRXZfgnq9aCED/CBaEB7/EYciwt/RC+LOlNxs8UD9LAjj7M2Lo3u/cRXi0yliyP7RK7hJYFN5Gsp8+RANXSYBeOqEYtCqemWWEJdAziz9+vtGCYaMQMuy5jzXVd0sfV26ZiZV1AtDLuiMMZ4YdvvqI0PRMQpyMQ//ulCkhW+l4iceCn7/nTqJSqGeecF0WlrhRwEk5eHgVEeU55JZ3FjlbfsY6x8Zr8mG5jXdwAq4ciytM00z1ozmuvCrC6AlDERc1/IhNXmPFQtPl5ya2CldENQJlbk+Uzqd7NL6es8Y6o2CYS8exunaxVHAcK1blTRgFjpdv78sc1a+9cxH3A7CPFkuk3FFT58R567RGAg==

you can surly see why people fed up with it when there is only 193 jobs in galway city advertised....when you narrow that search down to just jobs there is only 67 actual jobs!!!

only 34% of position advertised are actual jobs...the mess that 10,000 on the dole is another story altogether..