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The Jobbridge Scandal

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    #1982
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users Posts: 8,838 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    SCOOP 64 wrote: »
    Any body reported it? or better still use the reply email tell them direct your taking the p..ss.
    Internships for vegetable pickers,even asks for 3, when will this end.

    Do any other parties complain about this at all. I have heard one or two Td's give out about it but i can't believe so little is said about it.


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    #1983
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    Nuts102 wrote: »
    Why should they have to be reported before they are removed. Surely if this is a goverment initiative the least they can do is approve them before putting them on the website.

    The same reason posts here are not approved before being displayed.


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    #1984
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Just an update on a previous post about a mate who lost his job to jobridge people. I was speaking to him and he complained to 2 people about it and they really didnt want to know.
    He was in a job seeking meeting with other people with other people 4 in that group complained about jobbridge, they were quickly hushed and told that the facilitator got his job through jobbridge and its great. He pushed back at them putting it to them that in this situation its 4 against 1 . They said that the decision was rushed but there is nothing in place to investigate companies abusing it. Somebody else put it to him that they work on figures. They need to get the unemployment figures down, but instead of getting them down, they are just hiding them.

    Not only that but he said that people are also sent on courses by "private companies" who take over the welfare payments during the stint of the course. Can that be right ? ?


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    #1985
    everdead.ie
    Registered Users Posts: 9,153 ✭✭✭everdead.ie


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Just an update on a previous post about a mate who lost his job to jobridge people. I was speaking to him and he complained to 2 people about it and they really didnt want to know.
    He was in a job seeking meeting with other people with other people 4 in that group complained about jobbridge, they were quickly hushed and told that the facilitator got his job through jobbridge and its great. He pushed back at them putting it to them that in this situation its 4 against 1 . They said that the decision was rushed but there is nothing in place to investigate companies abusing it. Somebody else put it to him that they work on figures. They need to get the unemployment figures down, but instead of getting them down, they are just hiding them.

    Not only that but he said that people are also sent on courses by "private companies" who take over the welfare payments during the stint of the course. Can that be right ? ?
    Who said the last bit no way any private company is going to pay someones welfare while they learn.


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    #1986
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Just an update on a previous post about a mate who lost his job to jobridge people. I was speaking to him and he complained to 2 people about it and they really didnt want to know.
    He was in a job seeking meeting with other people with other people 4 in that group complained about jobbridge, they were quickly hushed and told that the facilitator got his job through jobbridge and its great. He pushed back at them putting it to them that in this situation its 4 against 1 . They said that the decision was rushed but there is nothing in place to investigate companies abusing it. Somebody else put it to him that they work on figures. They need to get the unemployment figures down, but instead of getting them down, they are just hiding them.

    Not only that but he said that people are also sent on courses by "private companies" who take over the welfare payments during the stint of the course. Can that be right ? ?

    I'd say that what he means is that there are private companies paid to run courses. I know that the course they tried to force me onto was part of momentum and that the course provider got well paid for running it.


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    #1987
    Hermy
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 11,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hermy


    Can someone translate this for me?:rolleyes:
    Yard Attendant

    Based in NEW ROSS (URBAN)
    Ref. INTE-838476

    Description

    This Internship will provide an individual with an opportunity to put into practice the skills they have learned during prior training or education in a workplace setting. This role will enhance these skills, while providing an understanding of the workplace environment and allow the Intern to benefit from a mentor or supervisors experience and advice. The Host Organisation will provide practical tasks to enable the individual to apply the particular skills that they wish to learn or enhance and also the opportunity to obtain wider product or service knowledge and establish networks for future employment. Please contact the Host Organisation for further details on this Internship.

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    #1988
    [Deleted User]
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    everdead.ie wrote: »
    Who said the last bit no way any private company is going to pay someones welfare while they learn.


    I asked him again, he is doing a course on CV preparation interview skills. During the time of the course he is taken off the live register and the people who are doing the course pay him instead ?? My only thought is , its a move to hide true unemployment figures.


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    #1989
    KyussBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Not just that - in among being a move to hide true unemployment figures, it's also to subsidize businesses with free labour (paid for by government/taxpayers), as well as a tool for eroding wages, by giving businesses the easy ability to replace paid workers with interns, and to hold that over workers heads (even if just implicit, gives businesses increased bargaining power, to reduce wages).


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    #1990
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    SCOOP 64 wrote: »
    Any body reported it? or better still use the reply email tell them direct your taking the p..ss.
    Internships for vegetable pickers,even asks for 3, when will this end.

    Yes, I did. Its removed now.


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    #1991
    Toby Take a Bow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,732 ✭✭✭Toby Take a Bow


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I asked him again, he is doing a course on CV preparation interview skills. During the time of the course he is taken off the live register and the people who are doing the course pay him instead ?? My only thought is , its a move to hide true unemployment figures.

    I thought that regardless of who is paying your benefit when you are on a jobbridge, you are technically off the live register. Not sure they would have to redirect wages to a private firm to fiddle with the figures.


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    #1992
    gambit83
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    runawaybishop wrote: »
    Yes, I did. Its removed now.

    fair play runawaybishop
    how and to who can these be reported to?


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    #1993
    runawaybishop
    Registered Users Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭runawaybishop


    gambit83 wrote: »
    fair play runawaybishop
    how and to who can these be reported to?

    If you follow the contact link at the top of the page you'll find a link to complaints


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    #1994
    Xenji
    Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    Joan was on the radio again today fawning over the 21st decrease in a row of live register figures, was funny to hear the presenter then say that over 80,000 people were on activation schemes and not actually employed, we will see another decrease next month when the new Gateway scheme gets into full swing.


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    #1995
    chinacup
    Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭chinacup


    Nuts102 wrote: »
    Are you surprised a manager of a cafe is enthusiastic when somebody comes in offering to work for free. Who won't be enthusiastic is the workers who will probably lose hours because your offering to work for free. Things like this are what is wrong with this whole jobsbridge. You offering to work for free probably means some poor sod on minimum wage will be earning less and the business benefits.

    Are you for real? I just love how everyone has decided that the internship scheme is all bad and that the poor little dole slaves are being taken advantage of by the big scary company monsters. This isn't the case every time and it certainly isn't the case with me. Funnily enough the manager was against the scheme initially but liked me and that's why he was interested. Your being presumptive and its silly. As a matter of fact he is hiring a waitress and will still be taking a new waitress on even if he takes me on and made that clear. Some people are decent you know :) My family run a cafe and I have experience working for my uncle so I wouldn't be there to look pretty or clean glasses it would be a genuine internship to benefit my CV!


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    #1996
    chinacup
    Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭chinacup


    donegal11 wrote: »
    Sorry but working in a cafe is not an internship unless your managing it.

    That would be the goal smart A! And who decides its not a real internship? If its experience I want and need and I'm requesting the internship there then how is it not real in your books? There are other reasons I approached this cafe in particular don't be so judgmental!


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    #1997
    Wompa1
    Registered Users Posts: 8,172 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    everdead.ie wrote: »
    You have to remember that anyone who wanted work in the "Glory Days" got work there weren't many people out of work who wanted to be out of work it was only people looking to move that applied for jobs.

    To put that into perspective I recently applied for a software engineering job in Galway and there were 140 applicants for about 5 positions.

    You can't compare the jobs market between than and now.

    Why not? Some people choose to be unemployed now, just like they did then. In my case when I got the job, there were 24 others who graduated my year. I was the only one who went directly into my 'career' job. The vast majority went traveling and the bulk of the rest went on to do a Masters.

    There should have been more people going for those jobs. At the time there was only three IT places hiring in the city, when I was looking.


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    #1998
    Xenji
    Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    arf91 wrote: »
    That would be the goal smart A! And who decides its not a real internship? If its experience I want and need and I'm requesting the internship there then how is it not real in your books? There are other reasons I approached this cafe in particular don't be so judgmental!

    Honestly it does not say much about you if you have to approach something like a Cafe for a internship, it is something people used to do in the summer or to put themselves through college, the internships are meant for people with a degree to get experience in their chosen field...not be placed in the services industry unless your specialising in something.

    You seem a bit entitled, just because you have done a bit of work for a family member and know a bit, does not mean you will not be cleaning glasses, you will be in at the ground floor and honestly referring to people as poor little dole slaves does not help your cause.


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    #1999
    BandyMandy
    Registered Users Posts: 148 ✭✭BandyMandy


    Well said, Xenji.


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    #2000
    [Deleted User]
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    arf91 wrote: »
    Are you for real? I just love how everyone has decided that the internship scheme is all bad and that the poor little dole slaves are being taken advantage of by the big scary company monsters. This isn't the case every time and it certainly isn't the case with me. Funnily enough the manager was against the scheme initially but liked me and that's why he was interested. Your being presumptive and its silly. As a matter of fact he is hiring a waitress and will still be taking a new waitress on even if he takes me on and made that clear. Some people are decent you know :) My family run a cafe and I have experience working for my uncle so I wouldn't be there to look pretty or clean glasses it would be a genuine internship to benefit my CV!

    You can try and dress it up all you want but working in a CV is not one that requires anything beyond a few days, if even that of training. There is no job there except managing the place that requires anything close to 9 months of training. From your post are we to take it that you approached a cafe about a taking you on on a 9 month internship. More power to you but what your post says is that you are happy to be used and abused by a business. I think that any cafe who advertises on the scheme should be boycotted, they are offering basic jobs that anyone with a bit of cop on could do and as such should at the very least be paying minimum wage.


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    #2001
    chinacup
    Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭chinacup


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You can try and dress it up all you want but working in a CV is not one that requires anything beyond a few days, if even that of training. There is no job there except managing the place that requires anything close to 9 months of training. From your post are we to take it that you approached a cafe about a taking you on on a 9 month internship. More power to you but what your post says is that you are happy to be used and abused by a business. I think that any cafe who advertises on the scheme should be boycotted, they are offering basic jobs that anyone with a bit of cop on could do and as such should at the very least be paying minimum wage.
    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You can try and dress it up all you want but working in a CV is not one that requires anything beyond a few days, if even that of training. There is no job there except managing the place that requires anything close to 9 months of training. From your post are we to take it that you approached a cafe about a taking you on on a 9 month internship. More power to you but what your post says is that you are happy to be used and abused by a business. I think that any cafe who advertises on the scheme should be boycotted, they are offering basic jobs that anyone with a bit of cop on could do and as such should at the very least be paying minimum wage.

    First of all its 6 months and secondly I approached him, he hasn't advertised his business. To the people so vehemently criticizing the scheme as an all encompassing awful thing actually know the facts? I'm sorry where is this used and abused nonsense coming from? I'm actively looking for cafe work, my family work in the business, this is a cafe I've wanted to work in for years, *I approached him*.


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    #2002
    chinacup
    Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭chinacup


    As well as that he's offered me paid projects on the side and is far from abusive. People are skimming over comments and refusing to take in the details of what I've just said then make sweeping judgments on my character. Hello all I'm saying is the scheme is working out to be a good thing for me! I'm not saying there aren't abuses of the scheme out there, there clearly is. I just find it a little disconcerting how little of the facts people know before spreading so much negativity about it. It needs to be regulated for sure but don't blame me because I havent been victim to the negative aspects and am trying to balance it out a little by sharing my exp!


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    #2003
    Xenji
    Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    The last troll was better, can we have him back?


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    #2004
    ABajaninCork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭ABajaninCork


    arf91 wrote: »
    First of all its 6 months and secondly I approached him, he hasn't advertised his business. To the people so vehemently criticizing the scheme as an all encompassing awful thing actually know the facts? I'm sorry where is this used and abused nonsense coming from? I'm actively looking for cafe work, my family work in the business, this is a cafe I've wanted to work in for years, *I approached him*.

    Instead of sounding off, perhaps you might care to read and digest this thread. Plenty of anecdotal evidence if you care to look. And even more with a cursory glance on the FAS website...


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    #2005
    chinacup
    Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭chinacup


    ABajaninCork wrote: »
    Instead of sounding off, perhaps you might care to read and digest this thread. Plenty of anecdotal evidence if you care to look...

    In relation to my situ I mean.


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    #2006
    Xenji
    Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    <p>
    arf91 wrote: »
    As well as that he's offered me paid projects on the side and is far from abusive. People are skimming over comments and refusing to take in the details of what I've just said then make sweeping judgments on my character. Hello all I'm saying is the scheme is working out to be a good thing for me! I'm not saying there aren't abuses of the scheme out there, there clearly is. I just find it a little disconcerting how little of the facts people know before spreading so much negativity about it. It needs to be regulated for sure but don't blame me because I havent been victim to the negative aspects and am trying to balance it out a little by sharing my exp!

    It is against the rules of JobBrigde to get any form of payment from your host organization during your internship, it seems your the one you does not know the facts of the scheme.


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    #2007
    whats the point
    Closed Accounts Posts: 132 ✭✭whats the point


    arf91 wrote: »
    First of all its 6 months and secondly I approached him, he hasn't advertised his business. To the people so vehemently criticizing the scheme as an all encompassing awful thing actually know the facts? I'm sorry where is this used and abused nonsense coming from? I'm actively looking for cafe work, my family work in the business, this is a cafe I've wanted to work in for years, *I approached him*.


    You said he is going to be hiring new staff as you work there as an unpaid intern, if you made such an impression on him as you claim. Why didn't he just offer you a job? :)


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    #2008
    chinacup
    Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭chinacup


    Xenji wrote: »
    <p></p><p> </p><p>It is against the rules of JobBrigde to get any form of payment from your host organization during your internship, it seems your the one you does not know the facts of the scheme.</p><p> </p>

    I'm aware of that, he hasn't taken me on yet so these would be if he can't joint for some reason or after the internship finishes.


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    #2009
    chinacup
    Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭chinacup


    whats the point wrote: »
    You said he is going to be hiring new staff as you work there as an unpaid intern, if you made such an impression on him as you claim. Why didn't he just offer you a job? :)

    Because its part time.


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    #2010
    Xenji
    Registered Users Posts: 11,505 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    Then why say he was gonna give you paid projects on the side, do you have work at the moment?


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    #2011
    chinacup
    Registered Users Posts: 539 ✭✭✭chinacup


    Xenji wrote: »
    Then why say he was gonna give you paid projects on the side, do you have work at the moment?

    What are your talking about? He has offered me paid work on the side if he can't get into the scheme in time or for whatever other reason, stop nitpicking my posts.


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