The Jobbridge Scandal

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Guy:Incognito

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Yeah, that's definitely what he said. Let's make sure young people stay unemployed just to make a point

Is there a shortage of employable people in the 400,000 that can only be filled by an 18 year old with 9 months experience stacking shelves in super value?

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Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Is there a shortage of employable people in the 400,000 that can only be filled by an 18 year old with 9 more the experience stacking shelves in super value?

I don't agree with job bridge at all, but pretending min wage vs employment is "blaming poor people" is nonsense

Daith

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What happened before Job Bridge was introduced? They got a job and were trained as part of that job?

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Not all jobs are the same. Some jobs may not require nine months of training!

PopePalpatine

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Tell me why a Jobbridge preparing food in a deli, as a farm worker or as a waiter is "valid". Before Jobbridge, the assumption was that you'd learn on the job. How bloody long does it take to learn how to make a sandwich, use a cash register or take orders in a restaurant? It sure as hell doesn't take nine months. But whatever, as long as Jobbridge helps the rich get richer it doesn't matter a jot to you laissez-faire **** who want to send us back to 19th century inequality.

EDIT: Didn't see Daith's post.

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Mrs Garth Brooks

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=6nt3ylvEEoNXIayKgMJrJci0IEVgpragfBJE2Hoe+8cRJ6PHbBW+R2MXlbX9Qt5g+GrFjSls5w8BrrYFX1xCCqMTJsgD0U9heKZtWUU96v046abHnR7n0SEwklT4hwzWGnI4b+LxUQp9nSE0kSGoPuXch+MdHqGbCrxwDZGEZYJ6QL1JPHAIH/A8RPlgmMxjlm18/V5qQptwIcsWuA7VJ6W7/HRqCly3YlwIMX62K5mEPzNs+WCVwgCWpia7SUw+g0WizMtlDZBanNnPDpPehcI9HrmMuvGoMkUx6kxhoiLEdh6Uxm+fJCeLKLgnrc3mO1HOyqoo0eV2IISjESX95GSTL0xK644pC6b6ZGfS4PAHAm4Z2cXdx2/BXvqXhMsGF7qBN5fKkJoFeP6M3DxjYFHNv4VI12xykHQsh9Pg+HTxUlga6Whi6B1FLFV6lw69PwmsOaaqX+s0wtPLl0dJoWpKXS1cTc+e

A kitchen porter. Washing pots and pans!

A job alot of us did at 16 for the summer.

Cantona's Collars

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What happened before Job Bridge was introduced? They got a job and were trained as part of that job?



Not at jobs are the same. Some jobs may not require nine months of training!

Before & during the boom I got in job training & was paid for it,you certainly didn't have 9 months to learn a job,you were expected to pick it up instantly & unless you were a complete moron you did.
When everything went wallop,I started a completely new job and got paid while re-training.Even now it's the same.My philosophy is if somebody has work for you to do then they should pay you for said work.
Odd how many of these places offering internships had zero 'vacancies' until JobBridge came along.There's a culture now of "we have no jobs if you expect to be paid but if you are willing to work for nothing we have a place for you in our employment".

Even graduates looking for specialised internships will already have the skills to do the job,they didn't spend all that time in Uni for nothing.Anyhow the way things are,those in charge would rather put them making sandwiches or pulling carrots than actually help find them work in their preferred field.

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Tony EH

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...and now, they've been turned into slaves.

Great.


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Daith

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For the people who did get job then what happened? Where they trained on the job? Off the social welfare system? Did they all require 9 months of training?

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I'm glad you agree that that is the only useful purpose of JobBridge and not your notions that it's good for the intern.

Guy:Incognito

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They don't need to be trained to work in a shop or similar jobs. Those are jobs your given the run through in a couple of hours then pick up the rest. At 16 I started working in McDonald's part time. My mate started in crazy prices. Neither of us needed 9 months at the dole rate to learn the job.

Guy:Incognito

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after the 9 months are they in the workforce or back on the live register ( that they were never really off)

Mrs Garth Brooks

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If minimum wage is scrapped, how do you think people survive on it?

There's increasing taxes and charges. Cost of rent is increasing. Even the cost of food went up in the likes of supervalu and dunnes.

Head on over to personal issues. There's two threads with people soon to be homeless.

That 337 as a weekly wage is alot for many people and yet its still so little and you want it scrapped.

I think jobbridge should be scrapped. If employer really need someone, they can pay them.

Dyr

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Because the concept of an intern came from white collar industries, usually for third level graduates who could support themselves through periods of unpaid labour and would expect commensurate rewards afterwards

When your "internship" is stacking shelves or filling envelopes its a different thing entirely

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Dyr

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How did they survive before the telephone and internet, why do they need them now?

Stupid question really

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I had more links somewhere else


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=87682007&postcount=596

Daith

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How did companies in Ireland hire and train people before Job Bridge? Must have been a bleak 11 years from Min Wage act to Job Bridge.

That_Girl_ Is_ A_Cowboy

The government would scrap the minimum wage sooner than they would even consider taking a cut to their own massive pay and multiple pension pots.

Mrs Garth Brooks

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Bring back cheaper rent, food, travel and other costs.

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runawaybishop

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Bollocks There is no snobbery in the slightest. The internships mentioned are those that typically are entry level jobs with on the job training. They are now free labour for unscrupulous businesses. These types of internships should not be allowed on the system and are often removed when reported.

Daith

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You're the one using "menial".

Not all jobs are equal. Some are low skilled jobs and don't actually require 9 months training. They didn't need 9 months training before Job Bridge!

As you said though it's not about training. It's about circumventing the min wage act.

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Daith

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So? The jobs still hired people on the min wage and trained them. The didn't need a 9 month internship.

I'd wish you'd stop using the word "menial" though.

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So before the economic crash was the min wage ridiculously high?

Ann Landers

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Daith wrote: »

I'm glad you agree that that is the only useful purpose of JobBridge and not your notions that it's good for the intern.

Indeed.

Ann Landers

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Scrap the menial stuff, yes. The need for a third level degree shouldn't be a requirement.

Dyr

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For years FAS ran company placement schemes at the end of training courses that actually upgraded people skills and, by and large, they worked. That's what you do if you want to get people into employment, you upskill them and stream them into the workforce. Jobsbridge does none of that it just creates a pool of free labour for employers to exploit. The reason people find this disgusting is'nt snobbery its because they know that its a travesty to use the unemployed as free labour for the most menial jobs and call it an internship

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