Dublin Positions Itself as Transatlantic Hub

jamo2oo9

owenc wrote: »

Christmas shopping?

Whatever. Did you see the price of hotels there..

I know the prices are insane but there are some snobby bástards about who'd pay for that just to stay in NY over Christmas! :pac:

owenc

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

I know the prices are insane but there are some snobby bástards about who'd pay for that just to stay in NY over Christmas! :pac:

I know. I've never heard anything as rediculous as going to NYC for christmas shopping.

As if they are saving money.

Tenger

owenc wrote: »

I know. I've never heard anything as rediculous as going to NYC for christmas shopping.

As if they are saving money.

Depends whether you know what you are doing or not.

I know one individual. Put aside money over the course of 3 years. Went with a group of 11 women (it was for one of the party's 40th) for 7 days to NYC. Strategically shopped everyday, toured in the afternoon, spent approx 3000 Euro.....got approx 5K worth of clothes.

She got a week in NYC with friends, and got her kids sorted for clothes for about 3 years!

owenc

Well we don't buy £5,000 worth of clothes.

I do realise that its pathetic how cheap America is but because of the distance and ocean its not particularly viable to make large orders and bring them over. The most we can expect is a suitcase of stuff.

I would rather spend £5,000 on a holiday anyway.

owenc

owenc wrote: »

Well we don't buy £5,000 worth of clothes.

I do realise that its pathetic how cheap America is but because of the distance and ocean its not particularly viable to make large orders and bring them over. The most we can expect is a suitcase of stuff.

I would rather spend £5,000 on a holiday anyway.

You get both, a holiday and a shopping trip rolled in one. Personally I have never spent more than €750 on clothes and got a suitcase full of stuff now we use http://www.usbuyersclub.net till we get to go back to NYC.

MiloDublin

The US preclearance has been in operation since 1986. Why is it only recently that Aer Lingus is using it to gain UK & European transfer passengers?

Growler!!!

The UK introduced an APD which adds considerably to the price of a ticket if flying direct. By breaking the journey and transiting through Ireland you save money and pre clear CBP.

murphaph

Growler!!! wrote: »

The UK introduced an APD which adds considerably to the price of a ticket if flying direct. By breaking the journey and transiting through Ireland you save money and pre clear CBP.

In fact many (though obviously not all) of the targeted UK customers would be flying from regional airports to LHR to pick up their connection anyway, so it's no added pain at all to go via DUB instead...and DUB has the pre-clearance advantage.

who the fug

Growler!!! wrote: »

The UK introduced an APD which adds considerably to the price of a ticket if flying direct. By breaking the journey and transiting through Ireland you save money and pre clear CBP.

Also your avoid the sump that is London Heathrow, which is something you can market

L1011

MiloDublin wrote: »

The US preclearance has been in operation since 1986. Why is it only recently that Aer Lingus is using it to gain UK & European transfer passengers?

Its only recently that it became full pre-clearance rather than pre-check; it wasn't a huge advantage before. It was also capacity constrained to an even greater extant than it now is.

owenc

Deleted User wrote: »

You get both, a holiday and a shopping trip rolled in one. Personally I have never spent more than €750 on clothes and got a suitcase full of stuff now we use http://www.usbuyersclub.net till we get to go back to NYC.

Oh thats fantastic, only problem would be the postage.

owenc

owenc wrote: »

Oh thats fantastic, only problem would be the postage.

Postage is nothing massive to be honest.

christy c

Growler!!! wrote: »

The UK introduced an APD which adds considerably to the price of a ticket if flying direct. By breaking the journey and transiting through Ireland you save money and pre clear CBP.

Don't the passengers have to book two seperate flights to avoid the APD? If they book a connecting flight I think they are hit with the full APD

L1011

christy c wrote: »

Don't the passengers have to book two seperate flights to avoid the APD? If they book a connecting flight I think they are hit with the full APD

Yes. I'm not sure if you can ask for bags to be transferred through at the first checkin, it definitely has been possible in the past.

murphaph

I wonder what Aer Lingus' policy is wrt delayed inbound flights when you've bought individual tickets for the 2 legs....it's largely Aer Lingus that's pushing DUB as an alternative LHR so I would hope they would "look after" any passenger that was delayed on one of their inbound flights and went on to miss the US connection because of it. Anyone know how they handle such issues in practice?

circular flexing

Jack1985 wrote: »

I'd hardly be calling 744's (741's retired pre-2003 if my memory serves me right!) old machines. They are so well maintained by those brilliant BA engineers.

Most of them are in serious need of cabin refurbishment though - they are really start to show their age. The IFE system could also do with updating.

billie1b

Jack1985 wrote: »

I'd hardly be calling 744's (741's retired pre-2003 if my memory serves me right!) old machines. They are so well maintained by those brilliant BA engineers.

I think the last one to be retired was by Iran Air sometime in 2013, could be totally wrong though

BonkeyDonker

billie1b wrote: »

I think the last one to be retired was by Iran Air sometime in 2013, could be totally wrong though

I think he means for BA.

billie1b

BonkeyDonker wrote: »

I think he means for BA.

Maybe yeah, I just took it up as in general, sorry

Tenger

MiloDublin wrote: »

The US preclearance has been in operation since 1986. Why is it only recently that Aer Lingus is using it to gain UK & European transfer passengers?

Aer lingus have used pre-clearance since it was introduced. However up until T2 was built you still had to be processed throught US Customs on arrival. The larger facility in T2 allows both pre-clearance and customs to be carried out....thus no checks needed on arrival.

Of course there are occasion delays which result in the CBP facility not being used so the flight has to go thru everything in the USA side.

LoonyLovegood

murphaph wrote: »

I wonder what Aer Lingus' policy is wrt delayed inbound flights when you've bought individual tickets for the 2 legs....it's largely Aer Lingus that's pushing DUB as an alternative LHR so I would hope they would "look after" any passenger that was delayed on one of their inbound flights and went on to miss the US connection because of it. Anyone know how they handle such issues in practice?

I was on a Boston-bound flight (this was back before T2 even opened, so a fair while ago) which had connecting passengers from Paris on a flight which had been delayed. We waited, with the crew keeping people updated on the issue. Still arrived in Boston on time, so no complaints.

L1011

CTYIgirl wrote: »

I was on a Boston-bound flight (this was back before T2 even opened, so a fair while ago) which had connecting passengers from Paris on a flight which had been delayed. We waited, with the crew keeping people updated on the issue. Still arrived in Boston on time, so no complaints.

They'd be on a single ticket. UK passengers often aren't, for tax reasons

Jamie2k9

EI usually look after passengers on separate tickets and if you look at LHR-DUB-JFK and then decide to book the separate tickets if the LHR-DUB sector is delayed and there is connecting passengers on one ticket they will probably hold the JFK flight for them anyway if its only a minor delay.

Jack1985

billie1b wrote: »

Maybe yeah, I just took it up as in general, sorry

Yep was in relation to BA but you're spot on Iran Air have 2 B742's and a B747SP from the late 70's still in service - mechanics must have there work cut out on them beauties!

roundymac

Jack1985 wrote: »

Yep was in relation to BA but you're spot on Iran Air have 2 B742's and a B747SP from the late 70's still in service - mechanics must have there work cut out on them beauties!

As well as a 742F and a 741, plus a dozen or so A300s and a 727.

circular flexing

The Guardian are reporting that the UK are interested in having pre clearance facilities, the Germans not so much.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/11/uk-us-security-checks-passengers

jamo2oo9

circular flexing wrote: »

The Guardian are reporting that the UK are interested in having pre clearance facilities, the Germans not so much.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/11/uk-us-security-checks-passengers

Might steal some of the business passengers from us but they still have the APD which is good for us if we want more passengers to fly through Dublin as it's a fortune to pay for when flying to the US. It's between £85 and £194 depending on where you are flying to and what class you are flying in.

L1011

Won't really have that much impact as I'd see them having one, in LHR. Regions will still have huge advantages to flying via Dublin.

It'd be extremely costly if not prohibitive due to the alliance/terminal split in LHR at that, either need 3 facilities or split ops for the airlines.

BonkeyDonker

MYOB wrote: »

Won't really have that much impact as I'd see them having one, in LHR. Regions will still have huge advantages to flying via Dublin.

It'd be extremely costly if not prohibitive due to the alliance/terminal split in LHR at that, either need 3 facilities or split ops for the airlines.

It would be a nightmare - Dublin T2 was designed with this in mind, and can effectively isolate the passengers once past CPB - I doubt that would be easy to do at any other busy airport.

18MonthsaSlave

There are rumblings in the news that the German passenger tax, Luftverkehrabgabe, will be repealed which will lead to Frankfurt regaining the ground it has lost.