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This will be interesting to guys with 10/22s, Comparing 10/22 bolts High-speed

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  • 09-07-2013 3:50pm
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    Ziggieire
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    I had a few guys ask me to take a high speed of a standard 10/22 bolt and an upgraded one.
    I hope you find it interesting



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    Cass
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    The top one, as you said, closes slower than the standard one. However is it the bolt handle or am i seeing things, but the top one seems to pitch/yaw more than the standard.

    Also the bolt bounce while bigger on the standard is not of such variation as to cause me any concern. Other than that the standard seems to be capable of a higher rate of fire. Supposition there based on bolt speed.


    Now i say this as a complete impartial as i don't own one, and am basing my comments on viewing the video only.


    Good video though. Very well done on it.
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    gunhappy_ie
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    Good Video.

    What is the weight of the 2 bolts complete with all mods attached ?

    GH


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    Ziggieire
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭Ziggieire


    Cass wrote: »
    The top one, as you said, closes slower than the standard one. However is it the bolt handle or am i seeing things, but the top one seems to pitch/yaw more than the standard.

    Also the bolt bounce while bigger on the standard is not of such variation as to cause me any concern. Other than that the standard seems to be capable of a higher rate of fire. Supposition there based on bolt speed.


    Now i say this as a complete impartial as i don't own one, and am basing my comments on viewing the video only.


    Good video though. Very well done on it.

    Good points the pitch you see is not the bolt but the guide rail its about 3 mil shorter than the normal one, why i don't know, so when the bolt hits the buffer the shock causes it to pitch down but the bolt does not just the rod and the handle pitch, thats what i see i may be wrong.

    The faster cycle time of the stock ruger while closes faster i really don't think a human could possibly fire it that fast maybe they can but i sure cannot


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    Ziggieire
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭Ziggieire


    gunhappy_ie wrote: »
    Good Video.

    What is the weight of the 2 bolts complete with all mods attached ?

    GH


    ohh I'll have to get back to you on that


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    Cass
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    Ziggieire wrote: »
    Good points the pitch you see is not the bolt but the guide rail its about 3 mil shorter than the normal one, why i don't know, so when the bolt hits the buffer the shock causes it to pitch down but the bolt does not just the rod and the handle pitch, thats what i see i may be wrong.
    It obviously does not affect the performance? Would it cause long term issues or wear and tear?

    Again a Ruger newbie here so curious.
    The faster cycle time of the stock ruger while closes faster i really don't think a human could possibly fire it that fast maybe they can but i sure cannot
    I would love to see 10 rounds in each, have them "linked" to a machine that would start them at the same time, and a timer would measure which one fires the 10 the fastest.

    Regardless of the outcome, as you said a human would most likely not perceive the time difference.


    That's the thing about your videos. they allow for questions that would never come up due to not being able to see it.
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    Ziggieire
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭Ziggieire


    Cass wrote: »
    It obviously does not affect the performance? Would it cause long term issues or wear and tear?

    no the only thing the rod touches is it goes trough the chargeing handle and the back of it is sitting in a indent at the rear of the receiver, the spring is always under tension so it never touches anything else

    Cass wrote: »
    I would love to see 10 rounds in each, have them "linked" to a machine that would start them at the same time, and a timer would measure which one fires the 10 the fastest.

    Regardless of the outcome, as you said a human would most likely not perceive the time difference.
    Ill ask santa
    Cass wrote: »
    That's the thing about your videos. they allow for questions that would never come up due to not being able to see it.
    Thats what i'm going for i know i don't have the answers but between all of us we can make a dam good guess


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    Cass
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    Ziggieire wrote: »
    .......... but between all of us we can make a dam good guess
    Can't beat SWAG. (Scientific Wild Ass Guess) :D
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    gunhappy_ie
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    Ziggieire wrote: »
    ohh I'll have to get back to you on that

    With the 10/22 being a heavy bolt delayed design (just like the Carl Gustaf, Uzi and Mac 10 SMGs) there would be a direct relationship with the speed at which the gun cycles (bolt speed) and the weight of the bolt.

    The heavier the bolt the slower and longer it takes on firing for the bolt to commence rearward movement.

    There is clear evidence of this all across the net and YouTube with people running lightened bolts in their Uzis.

    Obviously the Ruger is a semi auto vs the uzi being full auto but as their action is the same guy bares significant relevance

    Gh


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    Ziggieire
    Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭Ziggieire


    gunhappy_ie wrote: »
    Good Video.

    What is the weight of the 2 bolts complete with all mods attached ?

    GH

    after-market bolt is 6.3oz firing pin is .1oz and handle spring shaft is 1.6 = 7.4oz
    stock ruger bolt 6.4 oz firing pin is .3oz handle spring shaft is .8oz = 7.5 oz


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