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    #512
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,779 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    so this is the view,you support that it should be up to the mother and doc,if the new born baby should survive.

    i bet my life you wouldnt dare say that face to face with some one.
    I haven't said that. This discussion would go better if you could attempt to absorb what people said/posted.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #513
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    so this is the view,you support that it should be up to the mother and doc,if the new born baby should survive.

    i bet my life you wouldnt dare say that face to face with some one.


    ...its not a "new born".


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    #514
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    so this is the view,you support that it should be up to the mother and doc,if the new born baby should survive.

    i bet my life you wouldnt dare say that face to face with some one.

    Who do you listen to for medical advice if not a doctor? The great flame? Jebus? Seamus from down the road?


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    #515
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Who do you listen to for medical advice if not a doctor? The great flame? Jebus? Seamus from down the road?


    I admit I lol'd at that.


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    #516
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    so you i take it,you people support the views of planned parenthood in this video.

    thats ok.

    What exactly are their views, in your opinion?


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    #517
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    so this is the view,you support that it should be up to the mother and doc,if the new born baby should survive.

    i bet my life you wouldnt dare say that face to face with some one.

    One thing your posts have excelled at so far is putting words in other people's posts that weren't actually there. If you wish to believe that people on this forum support infanticide you can. However please be aware that every time you express that opinion on this thread without actual evidence your posts will be ridiculed. And, while I don't like ad homimem tu quoque or poisoning the well arguments, you should be aware that each time you make this ridiculous assertion that posters here are supporters of infanticide you are damaging the credibility of every other post you make - no matter how valid the argument you make in those will be.

    My advice, drop the word twisting or nobody here will be taking your posts seriously and then whatever hope you had of saving babies by convincing others to your position will well and truly be expired. Unless, of course, you're only here to toss labels at people in which case that's hardly constructive or helpful to the pro-life cause. It's also not very conducive to this thread.


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    #518
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,928 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    <Snip>


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    #519
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,811 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Senator Jim Walsh gets his spake in (again)

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/brutal-description-of-abortion-necessary-in-sanitised-debate-of-half-truths-1.1475169

    The usual guff although to be fair he doesn't actually use the word 'floodgate' here.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #520
    lazygal
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    ninja900 wrote: »
    Senator Jim Walsh gets his spake in (again)

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/brutal-description-of-abortion-necessary-in-sanitised-debate-of-half-truths-1.1475169

    The usual guff although to be fair he doesn't actually use the word 'floodgate' here.

    I'll send him medical descriptions of c sections and episiotomies and see how comfortable he is with reading them into the record of the Seanad.


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    #521
    Banbh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭Banbh


    That's soon-to-be-ex-Senator Jim Walsh.
    Weren't we lucky that the zealots outed themselves and that Enda had the bottle to dump them?
    Happy days.


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    #522
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    I think what eireannBEAR is trying to say is that legislation needs to be put in place so Ireland doesnt make mistakes with screwing up abortions.

    Unfortunately the only acceptable solution to the likes of eireannBEAR is to adopt the Saudi Arabian position on women's rights, i.e. to remove all rights from women.


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    #523
    The Black Oil
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,404 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/hospital-evacuated-after-storms-cause-flood-chaos-29452625.html

    See the comment from Ciara Sherlock...

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

    CMod: Entertainment



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    #524
    Mr. CooL ICE
    Registered Users Posts: 17,566 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    The Black Oil wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/hospital-evacuated-after-storms-cause-flood-chaos-29452625.html

    See the comment from Ciara Sherlock...

    One of the responses:
    Oh FFS, take 20mg of Zyprexa daily, and come back to me in six months


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    #525
    coolhull
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    I read her comment. I would'nt mind but she's probably a young person, young enough to have more sense. At least the other people commenting gave her hell , so that's something to be grateful for.


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    #526
    Brian Shanahan
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    LordChessington wrote: »
    One of the responses:

    I responded to her pointing out her god was an imaginary friend and thus powerless.

    Ten minutes later my father called me out, he'd left a dormer window open, and the thunderstorm rain had poured through the open window, and went through our ceiling soaking our back hall.

    Save me Jeebus!


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    #527
    Hotblack Desiato
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    The Black Oil wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/hospital-evacuated-after-storms-cause-flood-chaos-29452625.html

    See the comment from Ciara Sherlock...

    Poe? Is that actually her?

    She's been on RTE for either the Pro-Life Campaign or YD. I wouldn't agree with her if she said the sun was going to rise in the morning, but that comment is just... stupid.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #528
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,779 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    ninja900 wrote: »
    Poe? Is that actually her?

    She's been on RTE for either the Pro-Life Campaign or YD. I wouldn't agree with her if she said the sun was going to rise in the morning, but that comment is just... stupid.

    You mixing her up with Cora Sherlock?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #529
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Yup. Maybe that was the intention :o

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #530
    PopePalpatine
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    She could be her sister, as they both display similar levels of zealotry. :rolleyes:


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    #531
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    She could be her sister, as they both display similar levels of zealotry. :rolleyes:

    I think there's a number of them, but it's hard to find out how many. I once had a massive argument on a pro-choice facebook page with an Enda Sherlock, who spouted the same pile of knuckle-dragging rubbish as Cora. Then another Sherlock (male) chimed in. I won, however, by a mile :D


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    #532
    The Black Oil
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,404 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/brutal-description-of-abortion-necessary-in-sanitised-debate-of-half-truths-1.1475169

    Jim Walsh in the Health section, too. Lovely.

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

    CMod: Entertainment



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    #533
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users Posts: 11,928 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Next week: the Caleb Foundation in the "Science" section.


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    #534
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,416 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    It is done.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/president-higgins-signs-abortion-bill-into-law-1.1479519
    Irish Times wrote:
    President Michael D Higgins has signed into law the Government’s Protection of Life During Pregnancy Bill. Áras an Uachtaráin confirmed the move in a short statement this afternoon.

    Mr Higgins received the Bill last Wednesday and was not required to make his decision known until midnight tomorrow. He convened a meeting of the Council of State at the Áras yesterday to seek its advice on the Bill, which he could have opted to send to the Supreme Court to test its constitutionality.

    The meeting was attended by 21 members of the 24-strong council and lasted for some 3½ hours. It commenced at about 3.15pm following a brief photocall in the main drawing room of the President’s residence in the Phoenix Park and concluded at about 6.45pm. Only three of the council were absent: they were former president Mary Robinson, and former taoisigh Albert Reynolds and John Bruton.

    The 21 persons who attended, including seven members of the judiciary, still made it the biggest council since the Constitution came into effect in 1937. The details of discussions at the council meetings are kept confidential.

    President Higgins chaired the meeting, and those familiar with the process expected key contributions from Attorney General Máire Whelan and, possibly, from President of the High Court Nicholas Kearns. Mr Justice Kearns arrived to the Áras with a box containing documents.


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    #535
    eireannBEAR
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭eireannBEAR


    robindch wrote: »
    It is done.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/president-higgins-signs-abortion-bill-into-law-1.1479519

    no matter,its an utterly unusable law. people will still travel to the uk.


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    #536
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 51,779 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    no matter,its an utterly unusable law. people will still travel to the uk.
    You're right. More work needs to be done so that women don't have to travel abroad for procedures that should be available here.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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    #537
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,662 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Roll on the court challenges


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    #538
    Genghiz Cohen
    Registered Users Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    no matter,its an utterly unusable law. people will still travel to the uk.

    So why are people so against it?


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    #539
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,486 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i had been led to believe that the general expectation was that he'd refer it to the supreme court, to remove any concerns about constitutionality.
    but it's been suggested to me that this is generally only done when there is a specific concern about the bill; to refer it to the supreme court in a 'we can't see anything which gives us cause for concern, but we want you to rule on it anyway to cover our asses' is seen as against the spirit of the process.


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    #540
    eireannBEAR
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭eireannBEAR


    Genghiz Cohen wrote: »
    So why are people so against it?

    i was mainly against it,due to the promised last minute amendments by pro-choice politicians,but this never happened, i still dont agree with it,but im happy its unusable.


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    #541
    maguic24
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭maguic24


    Genghiz Cohen wrote: »
    So why are people so against it?

    Well, I think it's because many of the pro-lifers see it as a stepping stone towards abortion on demand.


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