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    #1772
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    When a half-decent abortion law finally does come to pass in this country, it's probably going to be purely because the UN or EU have said "FFS Ireland get your sh*t together or we'll get it together FOR you."


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    #1773
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Sarky wrote: »
    When a half-decent abortion law finally does come to pass in this country, it's probably going to be purely because the UN or EU have said "FFS Ireland get your sh*t together or we'll get it together FOR you."

    Name any law pertaining to personal rights (dropping marriage bar, equal status act, decriminalizing homosexuality) that we haven't been subject to outside pressure to introduce.


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    #1774
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    lazygal wrote: »
    Name any law pertaining to personal rights (dropping marriage bar, equal status act, decriminalizing homosexuality) that we haven't been subject to outside pressure to introduce.

    Blasphemy.

    Or did you mean pro- personal rights laws only?


    :pac:


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    #1775
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Blasphemy.

    Or did you mean pro- personal rights laws only?


    :pac:

    Ah but that law is designed to be super special and never result in any convictions, ever. Dermot said so.


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    #1776
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Was the smoking ban outside pressure too?

    Either way, yeah, Ireland really has had to be dragged nearly every step of the way. :(


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    #1777
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    lazygal wrote: »
    Ah but that law is designed to be super special and never result in any convictions, ever. Dermot said so.

    Like White Collar Crime laws so?


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    #1778
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Like White Collar Crime laws so?

    Ah those lads just got carried away. Sure wasn't Sean Quinn only looking out for his community when he moved all that money to rest in other accounts?


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    #1779
    iwantmydinner
    Registered Users Posts: 3,246 ✭✭✭iwantmydinner


    aloyisious wrote: »
    This might force another "look" at women's rights in regard to pregnancy.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fatal-abnormality-case-puts-abortion-back-in-spotlight-240972.html?

    Is it terrible that I LOLd at the suggestion that I might want to Pin the photo of James Reilly...



    "Yeah, that'd look really nice amongst my "dream wardrobe" pins and my "amazing places" pins."


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    #1780
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    aloyisious wrote: »
    This might force another "look" at women's rights in regard to pregnancy.

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/fatal-abnormality-case-puts-abortion-back-in-spotlight-240972.html?


    .....it's unlikely. It'll take some fuck awful case being dragged through Europe for a few years and resisted every step of the way.


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    #1781
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    lazygal wrote: »
    Ah but that law is designed to be super special and never result in any convictions, ever. Dermot said so.


    Yep. Rather than abolish a law, you introduce a new law and make it allegedly useless. While this was a change from the Michael McDowell school of introducing new laws that were supposed to do something but were essentially useless one can't say it marked a step forward.


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    #1782
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Jernal wrote: »
    For Christ's sake people! The lab mice created us as a means of experimentation.

    They must be bitterly disappointed at our lack of ability to learn from our experiences.

    Jernal is awesome and infallible. I did not just quote him posting a post in the wrong thread!

    Or did I........

    NO! I did not.

    I did you know.

    I'm usually not this incisive about stuff. I'm fairly sure I didn't.

    However on occasion I am scalpel like in my incisiveness and this is one of those times.

    He was sure he had said indecisive. So sure. . . However, it's clear there would be a doubt that Jernal made such an error of posting, thankfully there is primary source evidence of it.


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    #1783
    Alderwould
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    Sarky wrote: »
    When a half-decent abortion law finally does come to pass in this country, it's probably going to be purely because the UN or EU have said "FFS Ireland get your sh*t together or we'll get it together FOR you."

    So you await a time when the UN/EU 'force' us to kill unborn babies?

    Don't hold your breath :D


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    #1784
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Alderwould wrote: »
    So you await a time when the UN/EU 'force' us to kill unborn babies?

    Don't hold your breath :D

    Here we go again.


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    #1785
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Alderwould wrote: »
    So you await a time when the UN/EU 'force' us to kill unborn babies?

    Don't hold your breath :D

    Did that not get introduced after Maastricht, Lisbon and/or Nice, along with conscription?


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    #1786
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    lazygal wrote: »
    Did that not get introduced after Maastricht, Lisbon and/or Nice, along with conscription?

    Nah, that was the decriminalisation of baby eating atheism that time.


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    #1787
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Obliq wrote: »
    Nah, that was the decriminalisation of baby eating atheism that time.

    I think it is outrageous that smoking babies is still clamped down on by the man, man. Little dudes come already in the skins and everyfink which is like totally a sign!


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    #1788
    Obliq
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    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I think it is outrageous that smoking babies is still clamped down on by the man, man. Little dudes come already in the skins and everyfink which is like totally a sign!

    It's like, messing wif our RIGHTS man. All you got to do is light em up. Sure t'fcuck God meant it that way, right?


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    #1789
    Alderwould
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭Alderwould


    lazygal wrote: »
    Did that not get introduced after Maastricht, Lisbon and/or Nice, along with conscription?

    No, you're mixing that up with straightening bananas :)

    Intentionally killing unborn babies is still a heinous crime in this country, punishable by a maximum 14yr sentence. Thankfully.


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    #1790
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Alderwould wrote: »
    No, you're mixing that up with straightening bananas :)

    Intentionally killing unborn babies is still a heinous crime in this country, punishable by a maximum 14yr sentence. Thankfully.

    Ah, I see. Thankfully termination of pregnancy to save lives is OK though. I understood its a foetus though.


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    #1791
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    Alderwould wrote: »
    No, you're mixing that up with straightening bananas :)

    Intentionally killing unborn babies is still a heinous crime in this country, punishable by a maximum 14yr sentence. Thankfully.

    Glad to see you're getting into the spirit of things! Now, answer me this riddle (unless you think this is some kind of devilish trick of course) - If we become pregnant with a baby, how is it we have to wait 9 months for a baby? In some cases slightly less, I know...

    Surely, if we had full babies inside us from day one, we wouldn't have this issue of when an embryo/foetus becomes a baby, and we wouldn't have abortion. It'd just be POP, there ya go. Baby. Or is the growing foetus NOT a complete baby? Confused by your terminology :confused:


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    #1792
    PopePalpatine
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    Alderwould wrote: »
    Intentionally killing unborn babies is still a heinous crime in this country, punishable by a maximum 14yr sentence. Thankfully.

    So much for "Love them both." :rolleyes:


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    #1793
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    So much for "Love them both." :rolleyes:

    Love them both. Terms and conditions apply. Love subject to certain restrictions.


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    #1794
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    So much for "Love them both." :rolleyes:

    I just want to know how it is that if I'd an abortion at 9 weeks, I'd be killing a baby? Or are we talking about anencephaly maybe? That would make sense, seeing as a 9 week embryo has no cognitive functions whatsoever....


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    #1795
    Alderwould
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭Alderwould


    lazygal wrote: »
    Ah, I see. Thankfully termination of pregnancy to save lives is OK though.

    And rightly so too.


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    #1796
    Alderwould
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭Alderwould


    lazygal wrote: »
    Love them both. Terms and conditions apply. Love subject to certain restrictions.

    If you can't do the time (14 years), don't do the crime.


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    #1797
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Alderwould wrote: »
    If you can't do the time (14 years), don't do the crime.

    If one can't avoid speaking in cliches....


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    #1798
    Cabaal
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    Alderwould wrote: »
    If you can't do the time (14 years), don't do the crime.

    Not allowing an abortion in cases where the fetus has zero chance of ever living separate from the women, thus forcing the women to carry it to term.

    Yep seems great way of loving the mother, even when the fetus couldn't possibly feel a thing as it has no brain stem.

    Should that still be a 14 year sentence still apply to those women?


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    #1799
    Alderwould
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 56 ✭✭Alderwould


    Cabaal wrote: »
    Not allowing an abortion in cases where the fetus has zero chance of ever living separate from the women, thus forcing the women to carry it to term.

    Yep seems great way of loving the mother, even when the fetus couldn't possibly feel a thing as it has no brain stem.

    Should that still be a 14 year sentence still apply to those women?

    14 years is the maximum sentence so mitigating circumstances are always considered.

    However intentionally taking unborn life is a crime in this jurisdiction, in all circumstances.


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    #1800
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Alderwould wrote: »
    So you await a time when the UN/EU 'force' us to kill unborn babies?

    Don't hold your breath :D

    It remains a person's choice so your definition of forcing is fairly off.


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    #1801
    28064212
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    Alderwould wrote: »
    14 years is the maximum sentence so mitigating circumstances are always considered.

    However intentionally taking unborn life is a crime in this jurisdiction, in all circumstances.
    What sentence should apply to a woman that ends a pregnancy where the foetus can never survive?

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