Abortion Discussion

gaynorvader

mbiking123 wrote: »

yes and your body is your cell cluster or put it another way

'Almost 99% of the mass of the human body is made up of the six elements oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus'

So that all that you are,

what wrong with destroying oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus unless it's a person

Exactly. And what makes a person?

Bannasidhe

mbiking123 wrote: »

yes and your body is your cell cluster or put it another way

'Almost 99% of the mass of the human body is made up of the six elements oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus'

So that all that you are,

what wrong with destroying oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus unless it's a person

So a 'person' can never be 'destroyed' under any circumstances just because they are a person???

Excellent - I shall await the world wide ban on capital punishment, War etc etc.

mbiking123

gaynorvader wrote: »

Exactly. And what makes a person?

Their spirit, which you get at conception

_rebelkid

mbiking123 wrote: »

yes and your body is your cell cluster or put it another way

'Almost 99% of the mass of the human body is made up of the six elements oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus'

So that all that you are,

what wrong with destroying oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus unless it's a person

Because society has defined what a person is, and what a human is. A human is a living breathing cognitively functioning person.

Sarky

mbiking123 wrote: »

Their spirit, which you get at conception

You have something to back this hilarious claim up, I hope?

Oh god, please have something to back this up. It'll be amazing.

mbiking123

Bannasidhe wrote: »

So a 'person' can never be 'destroyed' under any circumstances just because they are a person???

Excellent - I shall await the world wide ban on capital punishment, War etc etc.

yes and it appears the last time Capital punishment was carried out in Ireland it was an innocent man

_rebelkid

mbiking123 wrote: »

Their spirit, which you get at conception

So a spirited horse is a person now...

Bannasidhe

mbiking123 wrote: »

What was she up to ?

Saving the lives of oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus combinations that are not persons.

mbiking123

Sarky wrote: »

You have something to back this hilarious claim up, I hope?

http://www.biblegateway.com/

gaynorvader

mbiking123 wrote: »

Their spirit, which you get at conception

What's their spirit? Is it real? Is it measurable? How do you know it's attained at conception and not at birth or when they're 3 or as you die?

Bannasidhe

mbiking123 wrote: »

yes and it appears the last time Capital punishment was carried out in Ireland it was an innocent man

and?

mbiking123

gaynorvader wrote: »

What's their spirit? Is it real?QUOTE]

Of course, and even you have one

_rebelkid

mbiking123 wrote: »

http://www.biblegateway.com/

Any credible, non-biased, truthful source?

gaynorvader

mbiking123 wrote: »

yes and it appears the last time Capital punishment was carried out in Ireland it was an innocent man

Irrelevant. Interesting though, I didn't know that.

mbiking123

Bannasidhe wrote: »

and?

I am agreeing with you, capital punishment is wrong etc etc

I thought you would approve of us agreeing

Delirium

mbiking123 wrote: »

http://www.biblegateway.com/

you posted the bible as evidence of your claim? you do realise you're not posting on the Christianity forum?

gaynorvader

mbiking123 wrote: »

Of course, and even you have one

Even me huh. Neat. So:

1. Is it measurable?
2. How do you know it is attained at conception?

Sarky

mbiking123 wrote: »

http://www.biblegateway.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxf5QwExt9Q

Pherekydes

mbiking123 wrote: »

Their spirit, which you get at conception

What is a spirit? How do you know anyone gets one? How do you know they get it at conception?

Bannasidhe

Pherekydes wrote: »

What is a spirit? How do you know anyone gets one? How do you know they get it at conception?

Do only 'persons' get one?

If so - how do we know?

Bannasidhe

mbiking123 wrote: »

I am agreeing with you, capital punishment is wrong etc etc

I thought you would approve of us agreeing

Indeed. I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy. However you didn't actually address my point.

old hippy

Pherekydes wrote: »

What is a spirit? How do you know anyone gets one? How do you know they get it at conception?

I thought that was at baptism when they wet the baby's head?

Spirit :rolleyes:

Obliq

Jameson is nice. Some spirits are quite obnoxious though and are best utilised as a bonfire starter.

oldrnwisr

mbiking123 wrote: »

http://www.biblegateway.com/

In case your priest/reverend etc. never explained this to you, the bible doesn't actually support the idea of an immortal soul.

The Old Testament was written in Hebrew where the word for soul is

לְנֶ֥פֶשׁ

or nephesh.

There is no meaning of immortality to be found in this word anywhere in the Old Testament. In fact, it is made quite plain that the soul isn't immortal:

"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten."
Ecclesiastes 9:5.

The concepts of soul and hell and basically a continuation of existence after death are not biblical concepts, they're Hellenist. The divergence occurs during the intertestamental period known as Second Temple, where the authors of the Septuagint were heavily influenced by greek teaching. Thus the hebrew word nephesh was rendered in the septuagint as psyche, which is more in line with the understanding of soul that most Christians have today.

So, like many other things in Christianity this is nothing more than a deliberate translation error designed to incorporate Hellenistic thinking into Jewish belief. A 2000 year old game of Chinese whispers nothing more.

So, got any other evidence?

Sarky

Jameson is awfully bland, I always thought. Trivia: If you do the tour of the distillery and get to the blindfold tasting section, they've set Jameson up against some really terrible competition to make it taste nicer.

mbiking123

oldrnwisr wrote: »

In case your priest/reverend etc. never explained this to you, the bible doesn't actually support the idea of an immortal soul.

The Old Testament was written in Hebrew where the word for soul is

לְנֶ֥פֶשׁ

or nephesh.

There is no meaning of immortality to be found in this word anywhere in the Old Testament. In fact, it is made quite plain that the soul isn't immortal:

"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten."
Ecclesiastes 9:5.

The concepts of soul and hell and basically a continuation of existence after death are not biblical concepts, they're Hellenist. The divergence occurs during the intertestamental period known as Second Temple, where the authors of the Septuagint were heavily influenced by greek teaching. Thus the hebrew word nephesh was rendered in the septuagint as psyche, which is more in line with the understanding of soul that most Christians have today.

So, like many other things in Christianity this is nothing more than a deliberate translation error designed to incorporate Hellenistic thinking into Jewish belief. A 2000 year old game of Chinese whispers nothing more.

So, got any other evidence?

Is that the Jewish bible or Christian bible you have ?

oldrnwisr

mbiking123 wrote: »

Is that the Jewish bible or Christian bible you have ?

The difference being?

_rebelkid

mbiking123 wrote: »

Is that the Jewish bible or Christian bible you have ?

The Jewish Book is the Tanakh.

_rebelkid

oldrnwisr wrote: »

The difference being?

Some of the new material in the Christian one is different. The writers wanted a new flavour, to give the book that edge it had been missing...

old hippy

Sarky wrote: »

Jameson is awfully bland, I always thought. Trivia: If you do the tour of the distillery and get to the blindfold tasting section, they've set Jameson up against some really terrible competition to make it taste nicer.

Have to say, I like the stuff. Enjoyed the Middleton tour