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Do tenants pay rates and water charges?

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  • 10-07-2013 10:20pm
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭


    Here is another section to this RAS contract, this is news to me :confused:


    The tenant agrees with the landlord:

    To pay all rates and water charges (if any) and refuse charges (if any) relating to the property including any which are imposed after the date of this agreement.



    ^ hold on! - i thought it was the LL responsibility to pay the household charge and the upcoming water rates? , since i am not the homeowner and jut renting how is it my responsibility to pay these charges?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭miller50841


    Water charges are on you but the LL will find a way to add the property tax to your rent if not already a premium on your rent as is,


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    Why would you think the landlord is responsible for paying for your water usage? :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭bren2002


    Here is another section to this RAS contract, this is news to me :confused:


    The tenant agrees with the landlord:

    To pay all rates and water charges (if any) and refuse charges (if any) relating to the property including any which are imposed after the date of this agreement.



    ^ hold on! - i thought it was the LL responsibility to pay the household charge and the upcoming water rates? , since i am not the homeowner and jut renting how is it my responsibility to pay these charges?

    I would imagine because you are using the water. Seems fair enough to me.

    Property tax is a different issue, and completely the landlords responsibility. This is written into the legislation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭The_Chap


    djimi wrote: »
    Why would you think the landlord is responsible for paying for your water usage? :confused:

    +1

    Maybe they should pay for electric and gas too?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    Well where i am for 10 years i never had to pay for water........


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  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭The_Chap


    Well where i am for 10 years i never had to pay for water........

    Water charges are only just being introduced in Ireland, meters are going to installed in every household


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    The_Chap wrote: »
    Water charges are only just being introduced in Ireland, meters are going to installed in every household

    My point is, since i am not the homeowner he should be paying not me, gas and electricity are different....unless water is now considered a utility like gas and electricity.

    I thought water came under the same designation as the household charge.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    Well where i am for 10 years i never had to pay for water........

    Nobody has being paying for water up until now. It will be metered and you will of course pay for what you use.

    Other charges may not be directly billable to you (at least with a normal tenancy they are not) but you will end up paying them through rent increases one way or another.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    My point is, since i am not the homeowner he should be paying not me, gas and electricity are different....unless water is now considered a utility like gas and electricity.

    I thought water came under the same designation as the household charge.

    Water will be considered a utility. You will pay for what you use.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    My point is, since i am not the homeowner he should be paying not me, gas and electricity are different....unless water is now considered a utility like gas and electricity.

    I thought water came under the same designation as the household charge.

    No its soon to be a metered utility its been news for the last few years ,
    All houses are getting ,meters unless you live in an apartment where you will pay differently


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  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭The_Chap


    djimi wrote: »
    Water will be considered a utility. You will pay for what you use.

    Is the correct answer, this had been the case in UK for years, fresh water supply, waste water and surface water all charged as a utility


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    The_Chap wrote: »
    Is the correct answer, this had been the case in UK for years, fresh water supply, waste water and surface water all charged as a utility

    feks sake!....no hour long showers, i love me showers.......:(


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    Think of the electricity that you will be saving also!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    is the LL then responsible for installing these new toilets which use much less water?


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    feks sake!....no hour long showers, i love me showers.......:(

    You can still have your long showers just expect your wallet to be a little lighter


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    is the LL then responsible for installing these new toilets which use much less water?

    No more than they are responsible for installing energy saving lightbulbs...

    As far as I know there will be a certain allowance each month before you start getting charged, presumable to cover the basics such as showers and toilets (with reasonable usage).


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    djimi wrote: »
    No more than they are responsible for installing energy saving lightbulbs...

    As far as I know there will be a certain allowance each month before you start getting charged, presumable to cover the basics such as showers and toilets (with reasonable usage).

    I thought the low evergy bulbs were apart of the BER rating :confused:

    [i feel like i'm in school......]


  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭The_Chap


    I thought the low evergy bulbs were apart of the BER rating :confused:

    [i feel like i'm in school......]

    If they are installed yes, tell me if a bulb blows do you ring the landlord?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    The_Chap wrote: »
    If they are installed yes, tell me if a bulb blows do you ring the landlord?

    no...but shirley when you move in they should be preinstalled.... :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 493 ✭✭The_Chap


    no...but shirley when you move in they should be preinstalled.... :confused:

    If the BER is calculated with them installed yes I agree, but the BER is calculated based on what is installed at the time of the inspection


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    no...but shirley when you move in they should be preinstalled.... :confused:

    Im not aware of any legislation saying that a landlord is obliged to provide energy saving lightbulbs at the commencement of a tenancy (I might be wrong about that but its not something I have ever come across).


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,411 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Is this a lease issued by the landlord or the council?
    To pay all rates ... relating to the property including any which are imposed after the date of this agreement.
    Note that there are no rates on residential property and Local Property Tax is not the same as rates. :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    Victor wrote: »
    Is this a lease issued by the landlord or the council?
    Note that there are no rates on residential property and Local Property Tax is not the same as rates. :)

    the council....just reading through it, bit above my pay grade......:o


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭jd


    is the LL then responsible for installing these new toilets which use much less water?
    You mean the ones with a brick in the cistern :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭miller50841


    Water meters have been installed in a lot of parts of Ireland for years.

    Have a farm house in Sligo with water charges last 10 years at least.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭gaius c


    is the LL then responsible for installing these new toilets which use much less water?

    That's like asking if landlords are required to upgrade their properties to a BER of A.

    No, of course not.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    Water meters have been installed in a lot of parts of Ireland for years.

    Have a farm house in Sligo with water charges last 10 years at least.

    Who issues the water charges?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭miller50841


    djimi wrote: »
    Who issues the water charges?


    Veolia same as Luas


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,237 ✭✭✭✭djimi


    On behalf of a county council or is it some sort of private arrangement?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭StillWaters


    djimi wrote: »
    On behalf of a county council or is it some sort of private arrangement?

    A group water scheme I presume.


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