Do you think its fair parents bring young babies on flights for a holiday ?

keithclancy

syklops wrote: »

This is where your whole argument falls down. We are having a fantastic summer in Ireland this year. We have had years where it rained everyday during the peak summer months.

Thats the issue right there. The weather here is unpredictable. On most parts of the continent they get proper seasons, cold winters, hot summers. In Ireland it can be both in the same day.

/thread.

What .. I don't get you, unpredictable weather is what the Netherlands is known for:

http://www.dutchdailynews.com/wettest-summer-on-record/

There is no proper seasons around these parts, you have to drive down the south for that.

Any Bavarian will tell you that

No problem with it whatsoever.

wexie

keithclancy wrote: »

What .. I don't get you, unpredictable weather is what the Netherlands is known for:

http://www.dutchdailynews.com/wettest-summer-on-record/

There is no proper seasons around these parts, you have to drive down the south for that.

Any Bavarian will tell you that

The big difference between the weather in (summer) Holland and Ireland is that the same rain that falls during a lovely summer evening rain/thunderstorm in Holland falls during the course of a whole day in Ireland. (go ask the people in the weather forum)

So whereas in Holland you could have a lovely sunny day, a nice rain storm and a lovely clear evening in Ireland the whole day is gone.

Anyways, I'm out of this, I've clearly outlined my views, I have and will continue to bring my kids on holiday, be that on the ferry or on a plane.

If anybody has a problem with that then that's just too bad, I can suggest they book a holiday in an adults only hotel/resort.

keithclancy

wexie wrote: »

The big difference between the weather in (summer) Holland and Ireland is that the same rain that falls during a lovely summer evening rain/thunderstorm in Holland falls during the course of a whole day in Ireland. (go ask the people in the weather forum)

Its so flat its very hard to predict the weather, the forecast can change wildly over the course of a week.

In the Hague you could get a whole day of depressing drizzle.

In one part of Brabant it could be hammering down in Limburg it could be dry and sunny.

I could leave work in Dusseldorf and its sunny and then drive into a wall of rain and mist at Venlo, while its still sunny in Dusseldorf.

canyoudigit

Its annoying when they start screaming but sure what can you do. Parents have every right to bring their babies on holidays on long haul flights
Its not like the baby is going to explode
/thread

jmayo

keithclancy wrote: »

Wow .. no ones ever heard someone say this before :pac::pac::pac:

Well maybe if you ever have kids you will look back at this thread and begin to appreciate how little you fooking knew.
I know having kids changed how I viewed things.

As others have said I am out.
Life is too short, too busy and for once the weather is too good to argue with people on the web.

DubDani

I think it really depends on how well the Parents are prepared. We just went with our 1year old and 3 year old to Turkey, and they were well behaved and didn't cause any mayhem before or during the flight. But it takes a lot of preparation to ensure that the kids are comfortable. You can't just hop on the flight and hope that everything goes well, or that people will be happy with nuisance kids.

You need to prepare enough food/snacks, entertainment, possibly some small presents to keep them happy when they start to get bored etc. Our 3 year old can easily occupy herself for an hour and two with her Peppa Pig magazine, then play a bit with us, and if necessary we also always have the Ipad ready to let her watch some Clubhouse or similar.

We are a family of foreigners in Ireland, and travel by plane to visit family as well as just going on Holiday.

Our 3 year old has been to SE Asia twice, to Turkey, Mexico, Netherlands, France and the US, and we never had a hard time traveling, and I don't believe we ever caused any real bother to other travelers.

But I can see where people are coming from, as I would say a lot of parents are totally unprepared for traveling with kids. Not helped by feeding them Fizzy drinks and Haribo in an attempt to keep them quiet during the flight.

keithclancy

jmayo wrote: »

Well maybe if you ever have kids you will look back at this thread and begin to appreciate how little you fooking knew.
I know having kids changed how I viewed things.

As others have said I am out.
Life is too short, too busy and for once the weather is too good to argue with people on the web.

Perhaps if you reigned in your language and attitude a little bit you would not have a reason to get so emotional over a discussion on an internet forum.

Frank Black

I don't care what the weather is like in Holland or Bavaria, or whether you can get a reasonably priced return ferry to the continent. These arguments are irrelevant. I'll be bringing my two young kids on a flight this summer, same as I've done for the last few summers.
Doesn't matter how much people bitch and moan on threads like this about kids on planes - it's not going to change the travel plans of any parent reading this.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

jmayo wrote: »

And lets have a section for the drunks who think singing they are on the way to Santa Ponsa or whatever resort they are going to (had to suffer such on a flight to Majorca years ago) is a good idea.
And lets have a section for the stag and hen parties.
And lets have a section for the fookers who think their seats should roll back more and shove your knees up into your hips.
And lets have a section for the fookers who fart because the pints and grub they have had before boarding is now making it's way through their guts.
And lets have section for the ones with BO.

And lets have a section for you.
Although can't decide if the jacks or tied to the tailplane would be better.

You clearly are a parent to whinging brats with an attitude like that.
All those people you mentioned are old enough and have the mentality to be considerate of others when they travel.

There's nothing worse than being stuck next to a child who doesn't stop crying from one destination to the other. Parents might become desensitised to it, but the rest of us aren't. They're annoying and they are a nuisense to everybody around them. I understand kids get bored, but after paying extortionate money for a long haul flight (which cost more than the child's btw) why should people be subjected to your child being a whingebag?

josip

Whether it's fair will depend on

1. The nature of the parents
2. The nature of the child
3. The age of the child
4. The length of the flight
5. Many other variables.

It'll work for some people, it won't work for others.


The only thing that doesn't come into whether it's fair or not, will be the other passengers as long as the children aren't physically infringing their space.

Frank Black

LexieOnRale wrote: »

There's nothing worse than being stuck next to a child who doesn't stop crying from one destination to the other.

What about being tortured, raped and then murdered?

Sounds like we have a First World Problem Drama Queen here.

bumper234

LexieOnRale wrote: »

You clearly are a parent to whinging brats with an attitude like that.
All those people you mentioned are old enough and have the mentality to be considerate of others when they travel.

You have obviously never been stuck next to an obnoxious business person in a suit DEMANDING special service.


You have obviously never been stuck next to an drunk person in a suit DEMANDING more drink.

You have obviously never been stuck next to a group of drunken football/rugby supporters or a stag/hen night who are being abusive and loud mouthed and generally intimidating to other passengers.:rolleyes:

LexieOnRale wrote: »

There's nothing worse than being stuck next to a child who doesn't stop crying from one destination to the other.

See ALL of the above!

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Parents might become desensitised to it, but the rest of us aren't. They're annoying and they are a nuisense to everybody around them. I understand kids get bored, but after paying extortionate money for a long haul flight (which cost more than the child's btw) why should people be subjected to your child being a whingebag?

If you don't like it then ask them to ensure you are not seated next to any children, i am sure they will take your request to heart and hopefully put you in the luggage hold.:mad:

Pumpkinseeds

Frankly I think it comes down to the standard of parenting. I've had hellish experiences on flights with children of all ages. A crying baby is bad enough and I'm not sure that there is much that a parent can do about that one. What is inexcusable is the children that are over 5 and allowed to behave badly and to the annoyance of pretty much every other passenger.

The last time I flew from the UK to Ireland alone, a fat bint tried to bully me out of my seat so she didn't have to sit next to her equally morbidly obese and obnoxious brats. She felt that I should move to another seat so she could sit opposite them. Because of her tone and the way that she felt entitled to try to take my seat, I told her to go fcuk herself. She made an arse of herself trying to fit stuff into overhead lockers pulling other passengers stuff out of the way, half the way along the aisle. The amount of stuff she'd managed to take on as hand luggage was insane. Probably because she acted the cnut and made a fuss at the check in.

Frank Black

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Frankly I think it comes down to the standard of parenting. I've had hellish experiences on flights with children of all ages. A crying baby is bad enough and I'm not sure that there is much that a parent can do about that one. What is inexcusable is the children that are over 5 and allowed to behave badly and to the annoyance of pretty much every other passenger.

The last time I flew from the UK to Ireland alone, a fat bint tried to bully me out of my seat so she didn't have to sit next to her equally morbidly obese and obnoxious brats. She felt that I should move to another seat so she could sit opposite them. Because of her tone and the way that she felt entitled to try to take my seat, I told her to go fcuk herself. She made an arse of herself trying to fit stuff into overhead lockers pulling other passengers stuff out of the way, half the way along the aisle. The amount of stuff she'd managed to take on as hand luggage was insane. Probably because she acted the cnut and made a fuss at the check in.

You both sound charming.

Pumpkinseeds

Frank Black wrote: »

You both sound charming.

Yeah, when someone starts demanding that I give up my seat so they don't have to sit in the one next to their own kids I tend to drop the social niceties, as they tend to be wasted on her sort

jmayo

LexieOnRale wrote: »

You clearly are a parent to whinging brats with an attitude like that.

No I would thankfully say I am not a parent of brats.
But they can still cry and they can still moan.
But hopefully they won't be as big a moaner as you when they are your age.

LexieOnRale wrote: »

All those people you mentioned are old enough and have the mentality to be considerate of others when they travel.

Yeah I always find drunk eejits to be considerate to others.

BTW I think bumper234 asnwered the rest pretty well.

John_Rambo

To those of you that are obviously new to flying and can't afford business class;

It's not the 1950's, flying isn't exclusive, you're on a bus with wings, you're going to get kids on planes, get over yourselves.

To those of you that are obviously new to mainland Europe and consider themselves "worldly and sophisticated":

Ireland is an island, we need to fly or sail to get off it.

keithclancy

bumper234 wrote: »

You have obviously never been stuck next to an obnoxious business person in a suit DEMANDING special service.


You have obviously never been stuck next to an drunk person in a suit DEMANDING more drink.

You have obviously never been stuck next to a group of drunken football/rugby supporters or a stag/hen night who are being abusive and loud mouthed and generally intimidating to other passengers.:rolleyes:

See ALL of the above!


If you don't like it then ask them to ensure you are not seated next to any children, i am sure they will take your request to heart and hopefully put you in the luggage hold.:mad:

What would you think about them allocating a Family only section on flights ?

Would be a win win ... you wouldn't have to sit next to people that find kids annoying and people who find kids annoying wouldn't have to sit next to your kids.

bumper234

keithclancy wrote: »

What would you think about them allocating a Family only section on flights ?

Would be a win win ... you wouldn't have to sit next to people that find kids annoying and people who find kids annoying wouldn't have to sit next to your kids.

Ah so shove em down the back of the plane like they did with the blacks in the 40s/50s? What %of the seats are allocated family section? What if one day there is only one family of 3 flying is the rest of the area left free? What if there are 7 families compromised of 35 people are they allowed in the "non family" part?

Does the sound of a crying child not carry from the family section? Finally please explain who is forcing ypu to sit next to families at the moment? 90% of the people complaining are on ryanair low cost flights that allow you to sit ANYWHERE!

fWIW I will be flying Ryanair Dublin to Liverpool on August the 1st with my partner and 18 month old son. If he cries and this upsets anyone who may be on the same flight please feel free to come over to me and say so;)

Frank Black

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Yeah, when someone starts demanding that I give up my seat so they don't have to sit in the one next to their own kids I tend to drop the social niceties, as they tend to be wasted on her sort

So, you allow them to drag you down to their level?

That's unfortunate - if everyone was like you, the world would be full of people calling each ***** all the time.

keithclancy

bumper234 wrote: »

Ah so shove em down the back of the plane like they did with the blacks in the 40s/50s? What %of the seats are allocated family section? What if one day there is only one family of 3 flying is the rest of the area left free? What if there are 7 families compromised of 35 people are they allowed in the "non family" part?

Does the sound of a crying child not carry from the family section? Finally please explain who is forcing ypu to sit next to families at the moment? 90% of the people complaining are on ryanair low cost flights that allow you to sit ANYWHERE!

fWIW I will be flying Ryanair Dublin to Liverpool on August the 1st with my partner and 18 month old son. If he cries and this upsets anyone who may be on the same flight please feel free to come over to me and say so;)

Just an Idea that was the result of a poll by Skyscanner, over half of the 2000 people surveyed agreed with it... I don't really care either way, noise isolating headphones.

From my side I think its a bit sad to see a screaming kid with a cold that clearly can't equalise it's inner ear as an Adult I know how painful that is as I've experienced it a few times but as an Adult I can control myself and not get more and more upset because I don't understand whats happening.

If I had to explain it, it feel like someone is sitting on your face and the resulting pressure is almost pushing out your eyes.

If its noticed that a young baby is congested getting on the flight they shouldn't be left fly imo.

bumper234

Frank Black wrote: »

So, you allow them to drag you down to their level?

That's unfortunate - if everyone was like you, the world would be full of people calling each ***** all the time.

Sometimes you have to talk to them in their own language for them to understand what you are saying.:)

bumper234

keithclancy wrote: »

Just an Idea that was the result of a poll by Skyscanner, over half of the 2000 people surveyed agreed with it... I don't really care either way, noise isolating headphones.

From my side I think its a bit sad to see a screaming kid with a cold that clearly can't equalise it's inner ear as an Adult I know how painful that is as I've experienced it a few times but as an Adult I can control myself and not get more and more upset because I don't understand whats happening.

If I had to explain it, it feel like someone is sitting on your face and the resulting pressure is almost pushing out your eyes.

If its noticed that a young baby is congested getting on the flight they shouldn't be left fly imo.

I get where you are coming from but if a family has booked an expensive holiday and has waited for months to go you think they should be stopped from flying because baby has a cold?

In that case i would start demanding all the adults with colds sniffing and snotting all over the place be stopped. What about the smokers hawking their lungs up all the way across the ocean. I once sat next to a guy flying to New York and i swear 3 hours into the journey he had covered the whole screen of the tv in the headrest in front with his spittle:eek:

Frank Black

keithclancy wrote: »

If I had to explain it, it feel like someone is sitting on your face and the resulting pressure is almost pushing out your eyes.

But is this 'someone' female and hot?
Because that wouldn't be too bad.

keithclancy

bumper234 wrote: »

I get where you are coming from but if a family has booked an expensive holiday and has waited for months to go you think they should be stopped from flying because baby has a cold?

In that case i would start demanding all the adults with colds sniffing and snotting all over the place be stopped. What about the smokers hawking their lungs up all the way across the ocean. I once sat next to a guy flying to New York and i swear 3 hours into the journey he had covered the whole screen of the tv in the headrest in front with his spittle:eek:

Well if its an Adult its at their own risk for one.
If its a Family the parents might be taking the risk because they have paid X amount of money going on Holidays, or they might just be unaware of the risks.

In general if you have a visible medical condition such as breathing difficulties the Airline will not let you fly without a doctors cert (Like wheezing/asthma or a bandage over your head from a recent injury)

But if your baby has for example an ear infection/sinus infection (which can be confused with a cold and also can be the result of one) it is not recommended that you fly as they cannot naturally equalise and no amount of decongestant is going to help, if you do so you risk a perforated eardrum.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/ruptured-eardrum/DS00499/DSECTION=prevention

At the very least your baby should be checked out by your GP before you go.

AFAIK in the event of an ear infection nobody should fly until antibiotics kick in.

bumper234

keithclancy wrote: »

Well if its an Adult its at their own risk for one.
If its a Family the parents might be taking the risk because they have paid X amount of money going on Holidays, or they might just be unaware of the risks.

In general if you have a visible medical condition such as breathing difficulties the Airline will not let you fly without a doctors cert (Like wheezing/asthma or a bandage over your head from a recent injury)

But if your baby has for example an ear infection/sinus infection (which can be confused with a cold and also can be the result of one) it is not recommended that you fly as they cannot naturally equalise and no amount of decongestant is going to help, if you do so you risk a perforated eardrum.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/ruptured-eardrum/DS00499/DSECTION=prevention

At the very least your baby should be checked out by your GP before you go.

AFAIK in the event of an ear infection nobody should fly until antibiotics kick in.

You link to the Mayo clinic. Nowhere does it say children shouldn't fly and nowhere does it say baby risks a perforated eardrum so thanks for the scare tactics.

http://www.healthychildren.org/English/safety-prevention/on-the-go/pages/Flying-with-Baby.aspx?nfstatus=401&nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token

If your baby has a cold or ear infection, discuss with your pediatrician whether you should give him an infant pain reliever. Unfortunately, decongestants have not been proven to help, and in fact are not recommended for use in infants. For children with significant ear discomfort associated with a cold and/or ear infection, it may simply be best, if possible, to postpone flying. If your travel plans are not flexible enough to cancel because of a cold, just be aware of your increased odds of dealing with ear pain when you do hop aboard.

keithclancy

bumper234 wrote: »

You link to the Mayo clinic. Nowhere does it say children shouldn't fly and nowhere does it say baby risks a perforated eardrum so thanks for the scare tactics.

http://www.healthychildren.org/English/safety-prevention/on-the-go/pages/Flying-with-Baby.aspx?nfstatus=401&nftoken=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000&nfstatusdescription=ERROR%3a+No+local+token

If your baby has a cold or ear infection, discuss with your pediatrician whether you should give him an infant pain reliever. Unfortunately, decongestants have not been proven to help, and in fact are not recommended for use in infants. For children with significant ear discomfort associated with a cold and/or ear infection, it may simply be best, if possible, to postpone flying. If your travel plans are not flexible enough to cancel because of a cold, just be aware of your increased odds of dealing with ear pain when you do hop aboard.

Well as a person that has had a perforated eardrum as a result of a sinus infection and flying I can tell you first hand that it is a risk.

Anything that increases or decreases external pressure is a risk (E.G. Diving or Travelling on a Plane) when you cannot equalise due to having an infection is a risk.

Decongestant makes no difference because your airways are blocked due to swelling in the passages.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Perforated-eardrum/Pages/Causes.aspx

NHS is good enough ?

Pumpkinseeds

Frank Black wrote: »

So, you allow them to drag you down to their level?

That's unfortunate - if everyone was like you, the world would be full of people calling each ***** all the time.

Yeah Frank, that's how life works. A polite NO doesn't work with people like that, it would be nice if it did, better still it would be even nicer if people like that didn't exist. I could have argued on and on with her but cutting to the chase and putting it to her as I did saved me a lot of time and hassle.

bumper234

keithclancy wrote: »

Well as a person that has had a perforated eardrum as a result of a sinus infection and flying I can tell you first hand that it is a risk.

Anything that increases or decreases external pressure is a risk (E.G. Diving or Travelling on a Plane) when you cannot equalise due to having an infection is a risk.

Decongestant makes no difference because your airways are blocked due to swelling in the passages.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Perforated-eardrum/Pages/Causes.aspx

NHS is good enough ?

Sometimes, the amount of pus in your ear can build up so much that the eardrum bursts, allowing the pus to escape

Sudden changes in air pressure, such as when changing altitude in an aircraft, often cause pain in the ear. Occasionally, sudden pressure changes can cause your eardrum to become perforated. As well as when flying, this could happen when you are scuba diving or driving at high altitudes.
This occurs because there is a big difference between the air pressure outside the ear and the pressure inside the middle ear.

Great link.

Now please show where it states that you should not take a child on a plane if they have a cold/congestion. Yes perforated eardrums CAN happen but so can deep vein thrombosis

http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/travelhealth/Pages/PreventingDVT.aspx

Does not mean everyone will cancel travel plans because of what MIGHT happen!:rolleyes:

dj jarvis

dear god not this topic AGAIN :mad:

Once the person flying has paid for the seats , they can travel with who they want , The following have no issue with it IAA - the airlines - the flight crew , ground staff - travel agents - hotel staff - ect ect

Me thinks its the self centered adults who cant suck it up if a child is crying on a plane. its annoying for sure - but such is life - get over it FFS

I travel 3 times a year ( 4 flights each trip, so 12 flights ) with a 2 year old and a 5 year old , NEVER a seconds problem with them , its about how you manage them - if a child is acting up its normally the stupid parents fault.

but people want to ban kids from flights??? pathetic

REALLY must be a slow news day - its a lot of posters on boards who need to grow up - not the kids :rolleyes:

keithclancy

bumper234 wrote: »

Great link.

Now please show where it states that you should not take a child on a plane if they have a cold/congestion. Yes perforated eardrums CAN happen but so can deep vein thrombosis

http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/travelhealth/Pages/PreventingDVT.aspx

Does not mean everyone will cancel travel plans because of what MIGHT happen!:rolleyes:

I can believe you don't know about this ? Its really pretty common:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-children/1341801-flying-toddler-ear-infection.html

I flew once with an ear infection/fluid in ear. My eardrum ruptured. The pain was the worst you can imagine. It took months to heal. I lost the lower range of my hearing for a decade. My ENT said flying with any type of ear infection puts you at risk for a ruptured eardrum and hearing loss.

Your child will be miserable and so will you as well as the other passengers. This will be horrible. I would never do it unless it was an emergency that you had to be somewhere.

I did this once when I flew with an ear infection. I didn't realize I had it and I was working the flight. I felt it on take-off so I made sure that I had the Ibuprofen and some Sudefed going before landing. I did okay but it wasn't fun and I do know people who busted their ear drums so I consider myself veeeeeery lucky!

http://www.mummypages.ie/my-child-has-an-ear-infection-is-it-safe-to-fly

An acute or bulging ear infection can cause your child a lot of pain during the flight, particularly during takeoff or landing. In extreme cases, it may even cause your child’s eardrums to burst, which may result in long-term hearing trouble.

Also it happened to me, my hearing in one ear was strange for a really long time until it healed up completely.

So as I said if the Child seems congested then they shouldn't be allowed fly without a GPs letter. The Parents Judgement may be clouded due to spending X amount of money on a Holiday.

Also the child has no choice.

At the very best it is not going to be comfortable to fly at all.

Believe me, if it happened to you, you would never want it to happen again, I've come off a motorbike at 60mph, had my hand cut open by a serated blade and nothing beats the agony of having pressure you cannot get rid of in your ears.

Edit: I fly quite a lot... worst I've ever seen was a guy that had mucus coming out from under his eyes.

bumper234

keithclancy wrote: »

I can believe you don't know about this ? Its really pretty common:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-children/1341801-flying-toddler-ear-infection.html







http://www.mummypages.ie/my-child-has-an-ear-infection-is-it-safe-to-fly



Also it happened to me, my hearing in one ear was strange for a really long time until it healed up completely.

So as I said if the Child seems congested then they shouldn't be allowed fly without a GPs letter. The Parents Judgement may be clouded due to spending X amount of money on a Holiday.

Also the child has no choice.

At the very best it is not going to be comfortable to fly at all.

Believe me, if it happened to you, you would never want it to happen again, I've come off a motorbike at 60mph, had my hand cut open by a serated blade and nothing beats the agony of having pressure you cannot get rid of in your ears.

Edit: I fly quite a lot... worst I've ever seen was a guy that had mucus coming out from under his eyes.

So what do you suggest? We have gestapo like doctors at security checking every child? Again what about adults? Should they be allowed travel? I fly minimum once a week (2 flights) for over 10 years and i have never seen anyones eardrum perforate while in flight or heard of it so it must be a pretty rare thing. Also as i listed before a crying baby is the least nasty or annoying thing i have witnessed on a plane. I say let kids fly but vet the adults at check in.

Freddy Smelly

keithclancy wrote: »

In Ireland I've seen the complete polar opposite, with people going off to Mediterranean destinations with babies a few months old.

Why is this the case ?

cos ireland is a fuppin ripoff to holiday in. overpriced hotels / b&b's, overpriced restaurants, and more of the same sh!te that you would get at home

its cheaper to go somewhere else.

homerjay2005

Old and grey wrote: »

Why not? families are allowed holiday too you know!

well if you are having kids, i think you can wait a year or two without a holiday or for example those who are lucky enough to have their parents to help out, can use them if possible.

i certainly would not want to take a new born baby on a flight anyway and wouldnt do so until they are 2 years old. taking a baby on holidays kinda defeats the purpose of a holiday anyway IMO.

keithclancy

bumper234 wrote: »

So what do you suggest? We have gestapo like doctors at security checking every child? Again what about adults? Should they be allowed travel? I fly minimum once a week (2 flights) for over 10 years and i have never seen anyones eardrum perforate while in flight or heard of it so it must be a pretty rare thing. Also as i listed before a crying baby is the least nasty or annoying thing i have witnessed on a plane. I say let kids fly but vet the adults at check in.

At the very least I would hope the parents would bring their baby to the GP to get checked out first.

I would also hope that the parents would take the advice of the GP rather than just chance it and go anyway.

Just a point to note that if you have a visible medical condition e.g. you look pale, you are breathing strangely or just look generally ill, even drunk they will call a staff doctor at for the Airport and have you checked out to see if you are fit to fly. I've seen this happen a few times at Schiphol, once on a KLM Flight and another on a BMI Flight (one guys blood sugar was low, the other one had stitches on his head) both were denied boarding for that flight.

BTW most won't know if their eardrum has been perforated until afterwards, actually a good indication is that the pain goes away, you just feel a bit of fluid coming out your ear.

Two other people I know had the same thing happen,

John_Rambo

keithclancy wrote: »

Two other people I know had the same thing happen,

I know seventeen thousand, four hundred and eighty two people that it didn't happen to.

Reindeer

Children should be sent standard post. I can see an argument for next day or better on international posts, though.

OldNotWIse

Frank Black wrote: »

What about being tortured, raped and then murdered?

Sounds like we have a First World Problem Drama Queen here.

you bring torture, rape and murder into a discussion about children on flights...and then accuse another poster of being a drama queen? lmao

jmayo

homerjay2005 wrote: »

well if you are having kids, i think you can wait a year or two without a holiday or for example those who are lucky enough to have their parents to help out, can use them if possible.

Yeah why the fook would parents of young children want a holiday.
And I bet you would also reckon they shouldn't bother going out to restaurants either. :rolleyes:
Probably best they should remain at home and maybe even only venture out when kids are old enough to drive lest they inconvenience all those whose pensions the kids will be supplementing in years to come.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i certainly would not want to take a new born baby on a flight anyway and wouldnt do so until they are 2 years old. taking a baby on holidays kinda defeats the purpose of a holiday anyway IMO.

You do know most families have multiple kids and they are usually different ages.
Using your logic familes shouldn't go on holidays for years.

I see your location is Dublin/Kerry.
Perhaps you should go around telling the Kerry people involved in tourism that they should tell families with young children not to bother turning up as it is a waste of time.
Or is it just foriegn holidays that might involve an aircraft that might have you on board ?

I would love to see you announcing such ideas to all the Spanish involved in tourist industry.
Somehow I bet some of them (bars excluded) would rather the families with young kids than the pis*heads who just want to fight.

bumper234

keithclancy wrote: »

At the very least I would hope the parents would bring their baby to the GP to get checked out first.

I would also hope that the parents would take the advice of the GP rather than just chance it and go anyway.

Just a point to note that if you have a visible medical condition e.g. you look pale, you are breathing strangely or just look generally ill, even drunk they will call a staff doctor at for the Airport and have you checked out to see if you are fit to fly. I've seen this happen a few times at Schiphol, once on a KLM Flight and another on a BMI Flight (one guys blood sugar was low, the other one had stitches on his head) both were denied boarding for that flight.

BTW most won't know if their eardrum has been perforated until afterwards, actually a good indication is that the pain goes away, you just feel a bit of fluid coming out your ear.

Two other people I know had the same thing happen,

I have been on over 1000 flights in 10 years i work with airline pilots who's careers span over 30 years and none of us have ever heard of what you posted here happening but you know multitudes of people who it has happened to. I guess your'e just an unlucky guy

dj jarvis

bumper234 wrote: »

I have been on over 1000 flights in 10 years i work with airline pilots who's careers span over 30 years and none of us have ever heard of what you posted here happening but you know multitudes of people who it has happened to. I guess your'e just an unlucky guy

ditto - i fly a lot and have never come across this either - im sure it happens , but its not a common thing at all

i have seen people been asked to leave a plane or being refused flight for various reasons - and they were ALL adults , never adults with children , a person with kids is very unlikely to be drunk and try open the door in flight or start a fire :eek:

it boils down to noise - babies crying - they cry for 3 reasons when under 1
being hungry - being tired or full nappies
all 3 can be remedied - they tend not to cry for long - it is unusual for a child to cry for the entire flight

so basically this thread stems from ADULTS not being able to suck up the slight annoyance of a child crying for a short amount of time
well some advice - earplugs or headphones and stop fecking whinging

TBH i would rather a plane full of kids than sit with a plane full of 20 somethings going on holiday

keithclancy

bumper234 wrote: »

I have been on over 1000 flights in 10 years i work with airline pilots who's careers span over 30 years and none of us have ever heard of what you posted here happening but you know multitudes of people who it has happened to. I guess your'e just an unlucky guy

Really .. ?

I love when people that work in Recruitment Companies think they are best buddies with their source of income

Quick whip round too ... is it a big room ?

Do what you like ... but you think then its fine to just ignore symptoms and fly anyway ?

What is wrong with the approach of getting them checked out by a GP First ?

bumper234

keithclancy wrote: »

Really .. ?

I love when people that work in Recruitment Companies think they are best buddies with their source of income

I actually work for the Irish Aviation Authority but don't let facts get in the way of your whinging or posting of inaccurate "facts".

John_Rambo

Are you telling porkys Keith?

keithclancy

bumper234 wrote: »

I actually work for the Irish Aviation Authority but don't let facts get in the way of your whinging or posting of inaccurate "facts".

Thought you worked for a recruitment company for 3 years?

Mr. G

I don't mind once they don't annoy me or make noise. I generally don't mind them at all, don't see why they should be banned from flights to be honest.

Its not just babies that annoy me on a flight believe me!!

bumper234

keithclancy wrote: »

Thought you worked for a recruitment company for 3 years?

I work for the IAA as a consultant through Morgan and Mckinley for the last three years previous to that i worked directly for the IAA at the ATC in cloughran. Any other personal questions you would like answered or should we get back on topic?

keithclancy

bumper234 wrote: »

I work for the IAA as a consultant through Morgan and Mckinley for the last three years previous to that i worked directly for the IAA at the ATC in cloughran. Any other personal questions you would like answered or should we get back on topic?

Well if you and your colleagues are interested its called a Barotrauma, you do a whole section on it when qualifying for Diving.

Here's a link on it if you are interested:

http://pennstatehershey.adam.com/content.aspx?productId=117&pid=1&gid=001064

Basically anything that causes a pressure change such as flying, diving and driving up high mountains.

Happens occasionally when diving also when people have difficulty equalising when coming back up.

Symptoms (in my case) after it happened (Flight from Amsterdam - Cork) and ruptured was a whooshing noise that would happen when I started to talk. It would randomly come and go, since 2008 and luckily I haven't had a problem.

What exactly would you say is wrong with the approach of bringing your baby to your GP to get checked before hand ?

3rdDegree

:mad:It's amazing how emotive this topic can get!

But I must admit that this does my head in completely! :mad:

I was on a flight once to a sun holiday and had the bad luck to be seated beside a "howya" woman and her toddler daughter (I'd say about 3 yo). The moment the plane started to taxi, she wanted a drink. When she couldn't get it, we had the first tantrum. As soon as as that died down, she was "asked" to put up the table, but she didn't want to do that either. Another absolutely nuclear tantrum! :mad: Finally, she decided she needed to get out of her seat and when told she "couldn't because it wasn't safe, love". Again, she completely lost it. And bad an all as she was, the child was worse. My head was fcuking wrecked by the time we landed. :mad: