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Brutal Police in Germany - you really shouldn't complain about our Gardai

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    #32
    Problem123456
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    What did they do wrong?


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    #33
    josip
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    Nothing wrong with how the police acted. They didn't seem incompetent, it seemed like they all had a role and were acting as a team to bring him down in an effective manner without having to crack his head open.


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    #34
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    anto9 wrote: »
    The commentator was making much of the fact that the injured man was a family man with two kids
    Sometimes sensationalists try to put forward this idea that because a person is X, then they must have desirable traits Y.

    That is, he's a father with two kids, therefore he must a hordworking and decent guy.
    She's a single working mother therefore she must be honest and upfront.
    He's a 65 year old who goes to mass every Sunday, therefore he would never do anything immoral

    All bull, trying to fall back to traditional stereotypes to make a case.


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    #35
    mr kr0nik
    Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭mr kr0nik


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    I would like to see this kind of policing in certain areas of Dublin City centre

    It already goes on but it's more of a "citizens arrest" between two (or more) citizens.


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    #36
    Wacker The Attacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    If the gardai aren't doing their job, Why wouldn't we complain?


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    #37
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Ah, the worst kind of strawman. We shouldn't complain about someone doing bad things, because someone else might be doing something worse.

    By that rationale should we let murderers off the hook because some other murderer has killed more people?


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    #38
    brick_top
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    zom wrote: »
    Brutal Police in Germany - you really shouldn't complain about our Gardai:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmhjJpR2elA

    Fresh video from June. Seven huge German robocops making pulp of one of discoteque client in Bremen (Germany). I couldn't even imagine Gardai doing this. We should never complain about them.


    don't benchmark against bad behaviour


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    #39
    brick_top
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    Cienciano wrote: »
    I'd rather the german style police over ours. At least when you report something they actually take it seriously over there.


    how serious our police take reports depends on who is doing the complaining and secondly, who is being complained about


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    #40
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,077 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Slunk wrote: »
    If we had police like this maybe people would fear and respect them more instead of being a laughing stock.
    or maybe they wouldn't, whatever about respect, nobody should "fear" the police, all though beating people up doesn't make one respect you but delude yourself that having such policing "might" make people respect them, the evidence from similar countries is that it doesn't work
    Slunk wrote: »
    You can see from a young age kids have no respect or fear of the gardai.
    a lot of trust between the guardai and certain communities has been lost but it is being worked on slowly, "fearing" the police isn't a good thing
    Slunk wrote: »
    A few belts of a baton would change that
    would it? any evidence to back that up or are you one of these delusianel people who think heavy handedness = respect? obviously that isn't the case as if it was proven to be the case then the government would allow it

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #41
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,077 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    cournioni wrote: »
    OP, you should avoid watching Cops on CBS Reailty so, proper policing without any bull****.
    i wouldn't call that "proper" policing, our lot is what you could call that
    cournioni wrote: »
    To be honest I like watching police that know what they're at throwing some scummer to the ground for resisting arrest.
    ah they don't know what their at though, anyone can join the force over there.
    cournioni wrote: »
    People have to learn to show authorities some respect.
    no not at all they don't, the authorities have to earn the peoples respect and show it before they can get it, just like everyone else.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #42
    wicklowstevo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 919 ✭✭✭wicklowstevo


    Slunk wrote: »
    Doesn't look all that bad. He managed to walk out of the place albeit in handcuffs. If we had police like this maybe people would fear and respect them more instead of being a laughing stock. You can see from a young age kids have no respect or fear of the gardai. A few belts of a baton would change that

    few belts of a baton and youd have their mammys and daddies running to their solicitors and GSOC .
    Irish people don't want to be policed (its like a hang up from pre war of independence ), many Irish people seem to think that the police are only there for other people and not for them ,


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    #43
    holystungun9
    Registered Users Posts: 2,933 ✭✭✭holystungun9


    Could have been one of those gay underground beat up clubs.


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    #44
    wicklowstevo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 919 ✭✭✭wicklowstevo


    end of the road wrote: »
    i wouldn't call that "proper" policing, our lot is what you could call that

    ah they don't know what their at though, anyone can join the force over there.

    no not at all they don't, the authorities have to earn the peoples respect and show it before they can get it, just like everyone else.


    Isnt that what makes them authorities ? that a grand motto for personal relationships ,but usually your only going to meet police if your up set angry scared and or drunk or otherwise intoxicated . maybe you should be displaying some maturity so that you don't have to be policed ?


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    #45
    gctest50
    Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    zom wrote: »
    Brutal Police in Germany ...........

    This is what you were looking for



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    #46
    Leroy Wonderful Nation
    Posts: 13,688 ✭ Leroy Wonderful Nation


    Seven of them to detain one lad, that weighs less than the average secondary school school bag?


    Send them back to Polizei school.


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    #47
    JJayoo
    Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Good enough for him. What kind of idiot tries to resist the cops? Did he think the cops would admire his "toughness" and let him leave.


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    #48
    Lando Griffin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Lando Griffin


    cournioni wrote: »
    OP, you should avoid watching Cops on CBS Reailty so, proper policing without any bull****. To be honest I like watching police that know what they're at throwing some scummer to the ground for resisting arrest. People have to learn to show authorities some respect.
    Show respect, demanding respect , don't question anything they do for fear.
    Is this not what happened in Nazi Germany.


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    #49
    JJayoo
    Registered Users Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Lando Griffin wrote: »
    Show respect, demanding respect , don't question anything they do for fear.
    Is this not what happened in Nazi Germany.

    No


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    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Lando Griffin wrote: »
    Show respect, demanding respect , don't question anything they do for fear.
    Is this not what happened in Nazi Germany.

    At last...I call Godwin !!...wheres my 100 D/marks !


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #51
    AlekSmart
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    end of the road: Would it? any evidence to back that up or are you one of these delusianel people who think heavy handedness = respect? obviously that isn't the case as if it was proven to be the case then the government would allow it

    A strong definite counter response to a threat is usually the first means of dealing with that issue.

    It is far from delusional to see a strong physical response to a situation has anything to do with this "Respect" which form a significant part of your interpretation of Policing issues.

    In face-to-face situations,particularly where Alcohol and Public Order issues combine,it is largely a moot point as to levels of understanding and respect for "Authority" itself or it's enforcement agents...ie the Polizi/Gardai.

    This deliberation about respect and levels of appropriate fear is all well on good when espoused on the floor of a debating chamber,but outside a Nightclub Door at 0300 of a balmy summers moring,with a combination of substances starting to chemically react in the body,then I suggest a robust and rapid physical response is most appropriate.

    AFAICS,the only way the soft-touch policing eotr craves can be achieved,is if every Garda is accompanied by a psychologist whilst on the beat...

    Fear,of itself,is not always a negative undesirable emotion.
    Fear is as much an integral part of the Human Defence Mechanism as it stimulates our sense of preservation and prompts us to search for a safer option.

    My neighbours have a very bad tempered Rottweiler cross,which prompts me to always scan their gate as I drive up to my own house...I respect the animal,and I take appropriate action to ensure I comply with whatever it requires to keep it's teeth out of my ass,other than that I'm cool with the dog,and will happily pat its head when it's in mellow (muzzled) mood.

    Delusional...ok if it helps,but to me it's realistic and fully deserved...;)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #52
    shruikan2553
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    Lando Griffin wrote: »
    Show respect, demanding respect , don't question anything they do for fear.
    Is this not whg at happened in Nazi Germany.

    Nazi germany had low unemployment too. Guess that means 100% unemployment is good.

    A police force needs to be seen as a group not to **** with. Otherwise whats to stop people breaking the law


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    #53
    Stojkovic
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    Difference is that here those cops would be prosecuted, Dame Street Robocop springs to mind.

    Would love the Gards to do that here more often and rid the streets of scrotes.


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    #54
    Shenshen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    Well, at least this poor sod didn't get killed like some others.

    There is definitely something to be said for an unarmed police force, and as a German I have to tell you I prefer the gardai to the Polizei any day.


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    #55
    Leroy Wonderful Nation
    Posts: 13,688 ✭ Leroy Wonderful Nation


    Do we know why this particular chap was arrested?


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    #56
    Lando Griffin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Lando Griffin


    shruikan2553 wrote: »
    Nazi germany had low unemployment too. Guess that means 100% unemployment is good.

    A police force needs to be seen as a group not to **** with. Otherwise whats to stop people breaking the law

    Education.
    Educate everyone and there will be no crime.
    Just look at the Norwegian model.


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    #57
    wicklowstevo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 919 ✭✭✭wicklowstevo


    Lando Griffin wrote: »
    Education.
    Educate everyone and there will be no crime.
    Just look at the Norwegian model.


    ya education , id say them bankers and dail monkeys have fine educations.

    and wasn't there two trinity graduates in court recently one for smuggling a load of coke and the other caught with stolen guns for erigi ?


    but mostly yes education for all. jail for some ass whoppings for the rest


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    Lando Griffin
    Registered Users Posts: 2,952 ✭✭✭Lando Griffin


    wicklowstevo wrote: »
    ya education , id say them bankers and dail monkeys have fine educations.

    and wasn't there two trinity graduates in court recently one for smuggling a load of coke and the other caught with stolen guns for erigi ?


    but mostly yes education for all. jail for some ass whoppings for the rest

    Your right
    I suppose if he didn't conform then the only course was to flake the 5l-l1+ out of him.
    I think that when the guards are on riot duty the should wear balaclavas and show no form of identification on them and let them loose.


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    #59
    just_be_nice
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    gctest50 wrote: »
    This is what you were looking for


    :eek::eek::eek:


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    wicklowstevo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 919 ✭✭✭wicklowstevo


    Lando Griffin wrote: »
    Your right
    I suppose if he didn't conform then the only course was to flake the 5l-l1+ out of him.
    I think that when the guards are on riot duty the should wear balaclavas and show no form of identification on them and let them loose.


    youd rather that they did what they did for the love ulster riots , afraid to react to the scum taking over the city for fear of being accused of being heavy handed ? a riot by definition is a violent and chaotic event if your happy to be there don't moan about getting a bitch slapped.

    I reckon if your close enough to a riot to get a slap of a baton then your not just on your way to the shops for a pint of milk,

    like I said already Irish people don't seem to really want police yet do nothing but moan about them. if we all took some personal responsibility this would be a much better county , ie Norway Sweden Finland and usually Germany too.


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