Qualifiers Rounds 3 and 4

Birroc

Dots1982 wrote: »

Dont get this comment at all. Haven't they being in the Semis the last five years. They are very consisent at putting away teams they should beat.

EDIT - looked it up, its 2004 since Cork have not made the semis.

Wow, can't argue with those stats. Would think Cork must be disappointed to only have one AI from 8 semi-finals.

shrewdness

Crash Bang Wall wrote: »

Would have to agree with this. Im from Cavan, and I see the usual tinted glasses are on again where people are tipping us to beat Derry. I think we will run them close but dont have enough firepower. Dunne and Keating managed a total of 1-2 from play against Fermanangh and were completely outplayed v Monaghan as well. I know we scored 1-14 v Fermanagh but Derry are a lot better.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think there'll be much at all in it by the end of the Derry-Cavan game, could go either way but I'd just give the edge to Derry. Serious incentive for both teams to win with the plum draw of London in the next game so I'd expect a tough battle. Yous must be sick of meeting Ulster teams by now!

Tom Joad

shrewdness wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I don't think there'll be much at all in it by the end of the Derry-Cavan game, could go either way but I'd just give the edge to Derry. Serious incentive for both teams to win with the plum draw of London in the next game so I'd expect a tough battle. Yous must be sick of meeting Ulster teams by now!

Would agree that Derry probably will shade it but this Cavan team are a different proposition and have real heart and no fear attitude plus kept their discipline in the face of some serious wind-up antics from Fermanagh on Saturday night. Three things that Cavan teams in the past 15 years were missing.

On the one hand as a fan am sick to the back teeth of Ulster opposition and it would be nice to get away from Ulster teams to see where we stand but from the players point of view they are comfortable in that environment and don't fear any Ulster team - remember there is a serious amount of Ulster medals and sigerson medals in that Cavan team.

Derry will rightly be favourites esp in Celtic Park but is a fantastic opportunity for Cavan to get to Croker this year..

pdiddy

Dots1982 wrote: »

Dont get this comment at all. Haven't they being in the Semis the last five years. They are very consisent at putting away teams they should beat.


EDIT - looked it up, its 2004 since Cork have not made the semis.

you'll need to look again Mayo beat them in quarters of 2011

Amprodude

Dots1982 wrote: »

Dont get this comment at all. Haven't they being in the Semis the last five years. They are very consisent at putting away teams they should beat.


EDIT - looked it up, its 2004 since Cork have not made the semis.

Look it up again. Its 2011 actually last time they didnt make the semis. They lost to Mayo in quarter finals badly.

Amprodude

Birroc wrote: »

Wow, can't argue with those stats. Would think Cork must be disappointed to only have one AI from 8 semi-finals.

Its pathetic. If that was Kerry or Dublin in that position they would have at least 5 AI's in the bag.

Lemlin

shrewdness wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I don't think there'll be much at all in it by the end of the Derry-Cavan game, could go either way but I'd just give the edge to Derry. Serious incentive for both teams to win with the plum draw of London in the next game so I'd expect a tough battle. Yous must be sick of meeting Ulster teams by now!

Sick is not the word. 5 games this year and every one of them against an Ulster team.

We rarely venture far in the qualifiers so a game against Galway, Laois or Wexford would have been a bit of a novelty.

I'm shocked by how optimistic Cavan people are being too. I'd see this as the worst draw we could have got after Tyrone.

leonidas83

intellectual dosser wrote: »

You know something we dont?

Armagh have put up 10-34 in their last two games (Away) while Galway have narrowly beaten Tipperary and Waterford (at Home), that was the one that caught my eye as a sure result.

Cavan put that Armagh team away in the 1st round, and therefore I wouldnt guarantee them a beating against anybody.

Bateing the likes of Wicklow & Leitrim is a very different story to bateing the tribesman, come the weekend everyone of those Galway men will be out to prove a point. I fancy Armagh myself but I could see it being alot closer than the Derry v Cavan, Derry are a class act, just ye wait & see.

Flukey

Cavan may be disappointed at drawing Derry, but if you want to get to Croke Park, then you have to beat whoever is in front of you. Whether it is the way Armagh destroyed Leitrim, or being pushed to the edge, you've got to win. Cavan in Croke Park in 1997 was a great day. Counties with long absences making a return usually is great. The atmosphere for the Clare footballers in 1992 against Dublin still stands out in my memory. Cavan may get there, but you have to fancy Derry. If they hit a bad day, and Derry are one county that seem to underachieve with the talent they have, Cavan could take them. Either should beat London, but after that, a semi-final place might be a step too far, depending on who they get of course.

Poor_old_gill

leonidas83 wrote: »

Bateing the likes of Wicklow & Leitrim is a very different story to bateing the tribesman, come the weekend everyone of those Galway men will be out to prove a point. I fancy Armagh myself but I could see it being alot closer than the Derry v Cavan, Derry are a class act, just ye wait & see.

Galway may well give Armagh a good game but you'd have to fancy Armagh to win by about 6-10 points.

I think every team is out to prove a point in the games they play but Galway's form I very poor- a hammering off Mayo and narrow wins against Tipp and Waterford.
I can only assume that you're basing your opinion on tradition

leonidas83

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Galway may well give Armagh a good game but you'd have to fancy Armagh to win by about 6-10 points.

I think every team is out to prove a point in the games they play but Galway's form I very poor- a hammering off Mayo and narrow wins against Tipp and Waterford.
I can only assume that you're basing your opinion on tradition

I'd fancy Mayo to give Armagh a hammering too if they played them. I think home advantage & yes, a pride in their history will spur this Galway team to give Armagh a good match. Definitely dont think Armagh will win by 6/8 points anyways. Whatever about Galway this will be Armagh's first real test since they lost to Cavan too & that was a very bad result against a very average team from Cavan. I definitely dont think Armagh are as good as some people are suggesting on this thread.

Derry have beaten Down & Sligo in the qualifiers already & beaten them well. Beating Down is not to be underestimated imo, they're division 1 standard & came very close to beating Donegal, perhaps if they were more clinical they would have won that match. Cavan have only really beaten Fermanagh again at home

Poor_old_gill

leonidas83 wrote: »

I'd fancy Mayo to give Armagh a hammering too if they played them. I think home advantage & yes, a pride in their history will spur this Galway team to give Armagh a good match. Definitely dont think Armagh will win by 6/8 points anyways. Whatever about Galway this will be Armagh's first real test since they lost to Cavan too & that was a very bad result against a very average team from Cavan. I definitely dont think Armagh are as good as some people are suggesting on this thread.

Derry have beaten Down & Sligo in the qualifiers already & beaten them well. Beating Down is not to be underestimated imo, they're division 1 standard & came very close to beating Donegal, perhaps if they were more clinical they would have won that match. Cavan have only really beaten Fermanagh again at home

I guess we are discussing a scenario that we will soon know the answer to!

Galway could well give Armagh a good game- same as Roscommon can give Tyrone a good game (when you'd expect Tyrone to win comfortably).

To be honest I hope that Galway do give them a good game- went to college and worked in Galway so have always had a soft spot for them- but they have been awful for a while now and I'm sure there is pride there but pride is useless without the right temperament.

I'd be shocked if Armagh didn't win by more than 5

Tom Joad

leonidas83 wrote: »

a very average team from Cavan.

Cavan have only really beaten Fermanagh again at home

leonidas83 wrote: »

Put a couple a hundred on Derry to bate the sh** out of Cavan, only guaranteed result of this round

Spill the beans there - did somebody from Cavan cop off with your sister of something in Coppers - serious grudge going on there :rolleyes:

Dots1982

Amprodude wrote: »

Look it up again. Its 2011 actually last time they didnt make the semis. They lost to Mayo in quarter finals badly.

Fair enough, they came up one game short of the semis one year. Still wouldn't say of Cork that they are the type of team to lose unexpectedly.


As for the Cork only winning one All Ireland. They should have won the 2009 final. First of all Kenneally should have been sent off in the first minute and second of all they just should have won because Kerry outfoxed them tactically but Cork were the more dominant side. That's the way I saw it anyway.

Cork will still cruise into the QFs this year but doubt they will make semis.

leonidas83

Tom Joad wrote: »

Spill the beans there - did somebody from Cavan cop off with your sister of something in Coppers - serious grudge going on there :rolleyes:

Dont have a sister. I know Sh*te when I see SH*TE. It just so happens that cavan are just that

Lemlin

leonidas83 wrote: »

Dont have a sister. I know Sh*te when I see SH*TE. It just so happens that cavan are just that

They're into the last 16 and fully deserve their place there.

We're not fooling ourselves thinking we're world beaters, even the manager has said we're far from the finished article.

But this is his first year in charge and, with a team whose oldest player is 27, and the majority of which are 20 to 24, we're going better than expected.

Tom Joad

leonidas83 wrote: »

Dont have a sister. I know Sh*te when I see SH*TE. It just so happens that cavan are just that

Wow what an eloquent and well thought out post - there is no comeback to that :rolleyes:

leonidas83

Lemlin wrote: »

They're into the last 16 and fully deserve their place there.

We're not fooling ourselves thinking we're world beaters, even the manager has said we're far from the finished article.

But this is his first year in charge and, with a team whose oldest player is 27, and the majority of which are 20 to 24, we're going better than expected.

BATEING A SH*TE FERMANAGH TWICE & GETTING A POXY RESULT AGAINST ARMAGH MAINLY BECAUSE THEIR MANAGER IS A F*CKING IDIOT OF THE HIGHEST ORDER. Thats what Cavan have achieved this year, I wouldnt be writing home about it

leonidas83

Tom Joad wrote: »

Wow what an eloquent and well thought out post - there is no comeback to that :rolleyes:

Thanks, much appreciated

Tom Joad

I'm actually honoured that you are now trolling Cavan - it must mean we are getting somewhere - wasn't it Mayo that you were trolling here until they humiliated you this summer .

leonidas83

Tom Joad wrote: »

I'm actually honoured that you are now trolling Cavan - it must mean we are getting somewhere - wasn't it Mayo that you were trolling here until they humiliated you this summer .

Mayo are about to win a very weak connacht championship, yah real humiliation for me. We'll see who's humuliated come the latter stages of the championship when they sh*t their pants again. No trolling going on here either, if you want to pm me to continue this conversation I'd be happy to do so.

Tom Joad

leonidas83 wrote: »

if you want to pm me to continue this conversation I'd be happy to do so.

Nah you're ok but seriously thanks for the offer..;)

leonidas83

Tom Joad wrote: »

Nah you're ok but seriously thanks for the offer..;)

No probs, anytime sweetcheeks;)

Johner

leonidas83 wrote: »

Derry have beaten Down & Sligo in the qualifiers already & beaten them well. Beating Down is not to be underestimated imo, they're division 1 standard & came very close to beating Donegal, perhaps if they were more clinical they would have won that match. Cavan have only really beaten Fermanagh again at home

Derry also lost to Down you know? Cavan have beaten Fermanagh and Armagh and lost narrowly to Monaghan but yet you think Derry's achievement of beating Sligo a team who lost to London is something to shout about. Derry are favourites and the bookies odds are about right but your obvious dislike for Cavan means you are talking bollox. What odds would you be willing to give on a Cavan win? Bookies have them around 15/8.

leonidas83 wrote: »

BATEING A SH*TE FERMANAGH TWICE & GETTING A POXY RESULT AGAINST ARMAGH MAINLY BECAUSE THEIR MANAGER IS A F*CKING IDIOT OF THE HIGHEST ORDER. Thats what Cavan have achieved this year, I wouldnt be writing home about it

Fermanagh and Armagh while no world beaters aren't sh*te. It's obvious you don't like Cavan for whatever reason, but please stop talking absolute shite.

leonidas83

Johner wrote: »

Derry also lost to Down you know? Cavan have beaten Fermanagh and Armagh and lost narrowly to Monaghan but yet you think Derry's achievement of beating Sligo a team who lost to London is something to shout about. Derry are favourites and the bookies odds are about right but your obvious dislike for Cavan means you are talking bollox. What odds would you be willing to give on a Cavan win? Bookies have them around 15/8.




Fermanagh and Armagh while no world beaters aren't sh*te. It's obvious you don't like Cavan for whatever reason, but please stop talking absolute shite.

I'd give Cavan odds of about 20/1 & you can get up the fu*king yard with your delusional posts

intellectual dosser

leonidas83 wrote: »

I'd give Cavan odds of about 1/20 & you can get up the fu*king yard with your delusional posts

I think you mean 20/1

Out of interest, are you taking your own advice and putting hundreds on Derry?

Flukey

leonidas83 wrote: »

No probs, anytime sweetcheeks;)

You guys should meet in Coppers! Tom and Johner can bring a sister, or a fine thing from Cavan. You can then whisper sweet nothings, or match results, into each other's ears.:)

klairondavis

leonidas83 wrote: »

I'd give Cavan odds of about 1/20 & you can get up the fu*king yard with your delusional posts

1/20?

Wow. That's really sticking your neck out there.

Johner

leonidas83 wrote: »

I'd give Cavan odds of about 1/20 & you can get up the fu*king yard with your delusional posts

Delusional? Like I said Derry are favourites and are the most likely winners but I don't think its as clear cut as you think. Nothing delusional about that. And 1/20? :pac: What odds would you make Derry so. :pac:

leonidas83

intellectual dosser wrote: »

I think you mean 20/1

Out of interest, are you taking your own advice and putting hundreds on Derry?

Ill put about 150 to 200 on them, ill get a good return for that amount when they win.

Hammer Archer

leonidas83, any more posts similar to the ones of the past few hours will result in you being banned.

Johner

I'll have a tenner on at those odds of 20/1 so. :pac: Don't ever become a bookie.

Flukey

leonidas83 wrote: »

Ill put about 150 to 200 on them, ill get a good return for that amount when they win.

Is that euro or cents, tiddlywinks counters or maybe potatoes? What about the rest of the championship, where would your stakes be going?

leonidas83

Johner wrote: »

I'll have a tenner on at those odds of 20/1 so. :pac: Don't ever become a bookie.

ok lads we'll have to agree to disagree about the result:D No dislike for Cavan, I just dont rate them highly as a football team, wish ye the best of luck & hopefully the best team will win.

leonidas83

Flukey wrote: »

Is that euro or cents, tiddlywinks counters or maybe potatoes? What about the rest of the championship, where would your stakes be going?

cents, sure im big time havent ya heard:). Fancy a Dublin v Donegal final with Dublin winning, they have by far the strongest panel in the championship imo. Mayo will possibly make it to the semis but then do the usual & I fancy Kerry to make it to the other semi.

Johner

leonidas83 wrote: »

ok lads we'll have to agree to disagree about the result:D No dislike for Cavan, I just dont rate them highly as a football team, wish ye the best of luck & hopefully the best team will win.

As I said Derry are the most likely winners but if you were giving odds of 20/1 on a Cavan win then that is value as thats 20/1 odds on a 15/8 shot. I think Cavan are a young improving team who have had a great season so far and there will be no shame losing to Derry but I do think they will give them a good game, a Cavan win wouldn't be the biggest upset in the world either. I'm not from Cavan either but it's not hard to see that they are a decent young team that will only get better.

leonidas83

Johner wrote: »

As I said Derry are the most likely winners but if you were giving odds of 20/1 on a Cavan win then that is value as thats 20/1 odds on a 15/8 shot. I think Cavan are a young improving team who have had a great season so far and there will be no shame losing to Derry but I do think they will give them a good game, a Cavan win wouldn't be the biggest upset in the world either. I'm not from Cavan either but it's not hard to see that they are a decent young team that will only get better.

A Cavan win would be the biggest upset of the round imo & possibly of all the qualifiers so far. As for the odds they might aswell be 30/1 as I cant see anyway Cavan will come out of Derry with a win.

Padkir

leonidas83 wrote: »

Mayo will possibly make it to the semis but then do the usual & I fancy Kerry to make it to the other semi.

To be honest, Mayo probably have as good of a record in semi finals as anyone, better than most in fact. It's the finals we have problems in.

Hard to look past Dublin this year.

keane2097

leonidas83 wrote: »

A Cavan win would be the biggest upset of the round imo & possibly of all the qualifiers so far. As for the odds they might aswell be 30/1 as I cant see anyway Cavan will come out of Derry with a win.

I'll escrow up to 5K if you want to put your money where your mouth is?

leonidas83

keane2097 wrote: »

I'll escrow up to 5K if you want to put your money where your mouth is?

yah no bother, fire ahead

keane2097

leonidas83 wrote: »

yah no bother, fire ahead

Pick a poster you're happy to escrow to and an amount you're happy to escrow then.

leonidas83

keane2097 wrote: »

Pick a poster you're happy to escrow to and an amount you're happy to escrow then.

Playboy, 5k

keane2097

leonidas83 wrote: »

Playboy, 5k

Who is playboy? Link to boards profile plz.

That's your 5k to my 250 at 20/1 so. Or if you want to lay the 30/1 you also mentioned that's your 5k to my 170 (rounded up slightly).

leonidas83

keane2097 wrote: »

Who is playboy? Link to boards profile plz.

That's your 5k to my 250 at 20/1 so. Or if you want to lay the 30/1 you also mentioned that's your 5k to my 170 (rounded up slightly).

u ever heard of the search function?????? yah put your 250 on, I take it your ok with losing that amount, yah?

TheMilkyPirate

All penis measuring aside I'll try get back on topic.

Happy enough with that draw for Wexford, We have a very good chance of beating laois and with a 6 day turnaround for the ulster finalists we also have a good chance of getting past Monaghan. Any further than the AI Quarter finals is nothing but a dream.

keane2097

leonidas83 wrote: »

u ever heard of the search function?????? yah put your 250 on, I take it your ok with losing that amount, yah?

Obv. I see you're friends with Playboy from his profile, as it's a big bet I'd prefer to use someone neither of us has a personal relationship with - one of the mods here ideally.

leonidas83

keane2097 wrote: »

Obv. I see you're friends with Playboy from his profile, as it's a big bet I'd prefer to use someone neither of us has a personal relationship with - one of the mods here ideally.

U think for one second I'd trust any of the mods on here

Coillte_Bhoy

leonidas83 wrote: »

cents, sure im big time havent ya heard:). Fancy a Dublin v Donegal final with Dublin winning, they have by far the strongest panel in the championship imo. Mayo will possibly make it to the semis but then do the usual & I fancy Kerry to make it to the other semi.

what? like winning 3 semi finals in the last 9 years and losing 1, not too shabby a record but easier for you to spout meaningless populist platitudes i suppose

leonidas83

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

what? like winning 3 semi finals in the last 9 years and losing 1, not too shabby a record but easier for you to spout meaningless populist platitudes i suppose

Doesn't matter if its the quarters, semis or final, its always inevitable Mayo will sh*t their pants. No1 is spouting meaningless populist platitudes, history has shown us time & time again, Ive lost count the amount of times its happened now tbh.

Padkir

leonidas83 wrote: »

Doesn't matter if its the quarters, semis or final, its always inevitable Mayo will sh*t their pants. No1 is spouting meaningless populist platitudes, history has shown us time & time again, Ive lost count the amount of times its happened now tbh.

"**** their pants??" Or be beaten by a better team?

I have no shame in saying that in 2004 and 2006, Kerry were a lot better than us, while last year Donegal were probably just better in the end and deserved to win.