General FPL Chat Season 2013/14

Ziegler1988

Hazard had 3rd best ESP and tied worst BPS lol. Probably because he lost the ball/incomplete passes after some of his dribbles.

FHFC

G1032 wrote: »

I agree. Hard to beileve, but as posted above, once he didn't score or assist his chances of bonus points were very limited

But then how the hell did Yaya get one! !

PARlance

FHFC wrote: »

But then how the hell did Yaya get one! !

By having a stormer in terms of possession, passes complete, tackles made, goal chances attempted and created.

Very unusual and very annoying.
Zab and Kol also nearly crept in which would have been nuts too

Michael D Not Higgins

PARlance wrote: »

By having a stormer in terms of possession, passes complete, tackles made, goal chances attempted and created.

Very unusual and very annoying.
Zab and Kol also nearly crept in which would have been nuts too

Also there's different metrics for the EA PPI and BPS, for example where the EA PPI deducts for chances missed, BPS is -1 for 3 missed shots.

This can lead to the opposing ratings in the two systems.

PARlance

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

Also there's different metrics for the EA PPI and BPS, for example where the EA PPI deducts for chances missed, BPS is -1 for 3 missed shots.

This can lead to the opposing ratings in the two systems.

Yip, was aware of the differences alright, but saying that, while I have a decent understanding of how the new BPS system works I wasn't familiar with the old one.

I just know that the two can be/are very different, with Ivan 3, Ramires 2, Hazard 1 being the Bonuses given out under the old system for last nights game.

Seems to favour defenders..... Think I'll go 5 at the back :D (That's a joke going back to the start of the season when we were all parking the bus due to an unusually high % of clean sheets making us think it was the only way to go)

Michael D Not Higgins

PARlance wrote: »

Yip, was aware of the differences alright, but saying that, while I have a decent understanding of how the new BPS system works I wasn't familiar with the old one.

I just know that the two can be/are very different, with Ivan 3, Ramires 2, Hazard 1 being the Bonuses given out under the old system for last nights game.

Seems to favour defenders..... Think I'll go 5 at the back :D (That's a joke going back to the start of the season when we were all parking the bus due to an unusually high % of clean sheets making us think it was the only way to go)

The old system was heavily weighted to attackers. The new system is more likely to reward defenders in the event of a clean sheet.

It's better than the old days of a subjective ruling from someone sent to the match.

Neoulous

In fairness I think the current BP system is the best I ever played with.

The first one I came across to was given by a couple of pundits I think (I remember Charlie Adam was a BP magnet with Blackpool that very year, no matter the result :pac:). It wasn't necessarily the 3 best players in the real game who got the BPs and I remember many were complaining about it.
Last year the ESPN one was a bit of a joke. Hard to know what were the criteria. It was over-favouring attackers IMO.
If the current one is not perfect (but which system would be?) it has 2 main advantages in my opinion:

1. it is balanced (defensive tasks are included in the calculation)
2. it is transparent enough. We know the criteria

Players score BPS points based on the following statistics (one point for each unless otherwise stated):

• Playing in a game
• Playing over 60 minutes
• Scoring goals

Goalkeepers and defenders (4 points)
Midfielders (6 points)
Fowards (8 points)

• Assists (3 points)
• Goalkeepers and defenders keeping a clean sheet (4 points)
• Saving a penalty (5 points)
• For every 3 saves
• For every 3 open play crosses
• Creating a big chance (a chance where the receiving player should score)
• For every 8 clearances, blocks and interceptions (total)
• For every 8 recoveries
• Providing 3 key passes
• Making 3 successful tackles (net*)
• Scoring the goal that wins a match
• Pass Completion (after making at least 30 passes)

70% completion (1 point)
80% completion (2 points)
90% completion (3 points)

*Net successful tackles is the total of all successful tackles minus any unsuccessful tackles. Players will not be awarded negative BPS points for this statistic.

Players lose BPS points based on the following statistics (one point for each unless otherwise stated):

• Conceding a penalty
• Missing a penalty (-2 points)
• Yellow cards
• Red cards (-3 points)
• Own goals (-2 points)
• Missing a big chance
• Making an error which leads to a goal
• Every 2 errors leading to an attempt at goal
• Being tackled 3 times
• Conceding 2 fouls
• Being caught offside 3 times
• Missing the target with 3 shots

All that to say I'm not surprised at all Hazard didn't get any BP yesterday and Yaya did. Hazard didn't assist nor scored. So he basically did nothing BP-wise. On the contrary Yaya was immense in midfield and did pretty much everything to get BPs. It may not be a good representation of what the real game was about but since FF is all about stats I think it is fair enough FF-wise to go with the stats for the BP attribution.

And that's a non-Yaya owner who's talking here !

Michael D Not Higgins

Neoulous wrote: »

The first one I came across to was given by a couple of pundits I think (I remember Charlie Adam was a BP magnet with Blackpool that very year, no matter the result :pac:).

There's been a few players like that. Certain players were just gifted bonus points to justify their price.

G1032

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

There's been a few players like that. Certain players were just gifted bonus points to justify their price.

I remember Richard Dunne one year getting 3 bonus for just pulling on the jersey.

KevIRL

Laudrup gone from Swans

Lemlin

KevIRL wrote: »

Laudrup gone from Swans

Any particular reason given? I can see him at Spurs in the Summer.

KevIRL

Lemlin wrote: »

Any particular reason given? I can see him at Spurs in the Summer.

Sacked.

From beeb

Swansea City and manager Michael Laudrup have parted company, the Premier League club confirms.

"It is a decision we have taken reluctantly,'' says Swansea City chairman Huw Jenkins. "It is the first time in nearly 10 years that the club has parted with a manager in this way, but we had to remove the constant uncertainty surrounding the club and Michael's long-term future with us."

Devia

Good manager but something went amiss when he started getting interest from bigger clubs. New manager could be good from a FPL point of view. Swans are well capable of a top half finish under the right man, especially with Michu on his way back.

Michael D Not Higgins

I feel bad for him. He didn't have the squad for a European campaign as well as PL, never mind that their best player has been injured half the season.

Dempsey

His agent has been causing a mess behind the scenes

Lemlin

Did he not have a poor enough record before Swansea? I got laughed at on here before for saying both Swansea (last season) and Newcastle (the season before) were very ordinary teams overperforming.

Guess I'm having the last laugh

Mr.Prodston

Lemlin wrote: »

Did he not have a poor enough record before Swansea? I got laughed at on here before for saying both Swansea (last season) and Newcastle (the season before) were very ordinary teams overperforming.

Guess I'm having the last laugh

Well it's pretty standard for teams who have an exceptional season to have a quieter season the next. Also considering that both teams mentioned played the Europa league the following season may be a causation or merely a correlation but it means squads become stretched and naturally attention gets divided between the 2.

Swansea had an in form Michu last year and Newcastle a Ba and then a Cisse. In Both cases the purple patch ended on top of a number of injuries.

Swansea have been dire from an FPL point of view this season so maybe a change will be good from that point of view. Laudrup I believe has a record of doing well in his first season before looking for his next step on the ladder. This is anecdotal evidence of what's in my head from memory but makes sense.

It's no surprise Liverpool are stronger this season and not rocket science that the Europa league is a scourge for teams with small squads and for FPL managers looking for assets.

SantryRed

Michael Laudrup has been successful in every single job he has been in other than his reign at Spartak Moscow.

Iused2likebusts

Lemlin wrote: »

Did he not have a poor enough record before Swansea? I got laughed at on here before for saying both Swansea (last season) and Newcastle (the season before) were very ordinary teams overperforming.

Guess I'm having the last laugh

newcastle have been decent again this year. I think the two teams dont have the squads to play in europa league and thats one of the main reasons for a dip in league form. Liverpool this year are much better off for not having to play europa league thursday night.

PARlance

Suarez v Sturridge

So, I've been meaning to look at this again since Sturridge has come back from injury.

Personally I took a gamble on opting to pick Sturridge over Suarez a few weeks ago, if I could turn back time, I would have planned it differently and I would have probably worked both of them into the team (along with RVP...Aguero injury being the big spanner in my differential move).
My differential punt (needed) was RVP + Sturridge over Suarez + Aguero.

Anyway, someone else was considering the Suarez v Sturridge move so I've safety in numbers now :eek: And here are the numbers.

This season, the pairing have played together in the league on 11 occasions.
GW's 6-12 and 21-24 inclusive

Points over those 11 games
Suarez 106
Sturridge 84

Points Average per game
Suarez 9.64
Sturridge 7.64

Exactly 2 points per game in the difference.

Now, this is where I may to skew things in my favour...but I think I'm being fairly reasonable.

Suarez has played all but 2 mins of those 11 games.
Sturridge has missed 187 mins over 4 of those 11 games.

Now, I'm not including 2 of those games as he was subbed off in them, total from these games 44mins off the pitch. I'm not including as I think it's a given the Sturridge will get a little less gametime over the normal course of events.

But, I've taken the liberty to adjust for 2 games.
The Everton game where he picked up his injury missing 78 mins
And his return game versus Stoke were he missed 65 mins.

These 143 mins translated into games is 1.6 games

If we divide Sturridges total by 9.4 instead of 11

Sturridge's Adjusted Average is 8.94
Thus closing the gap to 0.7 points


I said I'd throw this up here, it may be some food for thought for some crazies like myself (even though I would still say that people should go for both, personally it would take too much changing for me, I made my bed a few weeks ago when I transferred Suarez out before the Aguero injury)

PARlance

PARlance wrote: »

Suarez v Sturridge

Sturridge's Adjusted Average is 8.94
Thus closing the gap to 0.7 points

If I hadn't ignored the 2 games were Sturridge was subbed off then his average crepts even closer (obviously enough) to 9.33

It's not an average points per game per se, more of a points per 90 mins...

It still won't make it any easier watching on with him, watching him when he was uncaptained was hard enough

Lucas Hood

Handy calendar in InsideFpl's newsletter today.

unkymo

Thank Christ I have still have my wildcard, its going to get manic in the next few weeks!

FHFC

Regarding RVP ownership, he has only been brought in by about 86,000 players since his return from injury. It's fair to assume that his ownership prior to that was 99% inactive.

So that gives him quite low ownership. Even if there are only 1m active players it would be less than 1%. Surprising that so many on here seem to have him!

SpaceCowb0y

FHFC wrote: »

Regarding RVP ownership, he has only been brought in by about 86,000 players since his return from injury. It's fair to assume that his ownership prior to that was 99% inactive.

So that gives him quite low ownership. Even if there are only 1m active players it would be less than 1%. Surprising that so many on here seem to have him!

I would imagine for a lot (like myself) it was only due to the Aguero injury, i just happened to have exactly enough to bring RVP in at the time and still have every intention of shipping him out for Aguero once he's back fit! He's already cheaper then what i sold him for too! Bringing RVP in just meant i wouldnt use the funds elsewhere and have to rip my team apart trying to get Ageuro back in.

Dearg81

FHFC wrote: »

Regarding RVP ownership, he has only been brought in by about 86,000 players since his return from injury. It's fair to assume that his ownership prior to that was 99% inactive.

So that gives him quite low ownership. Even if there are only 1m active players it would be less than 1%. Surprising that so many on here seem to have him!

I think your Maths is a bit off - 86,000 out of 1million would be 8.6%.

FHFC

Dearg81 wrote: »

I think your Maths is a bit off - 86,000 out of 1million would be 8.6%.

True. And that makes more sense. What doesn't make sense is that I'm an engineer!

Nalz

Lads whens Sunderlands double gameweek? They're missing in GW28

I see United and City have a double GW but not them

SantryRed

Trilla wrote: »

Lads whens Sunderlands double gameweek? They're missing in GW28

I see United and City have a double GW but not them

Not decided yet.

8-10

I've gone from hopeless at the start of the season, to brilliant over Christmas, to absolute boring mediocrity since the January wildcard.

Overall Rank:

Gameweek 20 23,132
Gameweek 21 27,664
Gameweek 22 23,489
Gameweek 23 23,379
Gameweek 24 22,101
Gameweek 25 23,278

I've lost 146 places in 6 weeks, played wildcard in GW22. I'm literally standing still.

And the worst thing is I have no idea on how to change this

iroced

Think you're very harsh on yourself. "Boring mediocrity" for just outside the top 20k is quite a strong statement!

To change it you'll need one big captain differential (like Hazard this week) and/or take good advantage of a DGW .

8-10

iroced wrote: »

Think you're very harsh on yourself. "Boring mediocrity" for just outside the top 20k is quite a strong statement!

I don't mean just outside 20K is mediocrity, I know I've done well to get that far. I mean the fact that I've only moved 146 places in 6 weeks is mediocrity. I must be hitting the average every week.

I'm thinking maybe I should double up on a defense. Everton was my initial thought but City and Chelsea also look good...

iroced

8-10 wrote: »

I don't mean just outside 20K is mediocrity, I know I've done well to get that far. I mean the fact that I've only moved 146 places in 6 weeks is mediocrity. I must be hitting the average every week.

I'm thinking maybe I should double up on a defense. Everton was my initial thought but City and Chelsea also look good...

Yeah but that'd be the top 20-30k average not the "official" average. Which is pretty good in fairness .

City have a great run coming but they may miss 2 GWs. Also with the CL coming they may be rotated.
Chelsea may be the way to go. They finally seem to get as efficient defensively as I expected them to be from the start of the season with Mourinho's return. 7 CS out of the last 9 games !!!
WH are also on a great run CS-wise for a cheap 4th/5th def or for the keeper.

PARlance

PARlance wrote: »

Suarez v Sturridge

So, I've been meaning to look at this again since Sturridge has come back from injury.

Personally I took a gamble on opting to pick Sturridge over Suarez a few weeks ago, if I could turn back time, I would have planned it differently and I would have probably worked both of them into the team (along with RVP...Aguero injury being the big spanner in my differential move).
My differential punt (needed) was RVP + Sturridge over Suarez + Aguero.

Anyway, someone else was considering the Suarez v Sturridge move so I've safety in numbers now :eek: And here are the numbers.

This season, the pairing have played together in the league on 11 13 occasions.
GW's 6-12 and 21-2426 inclusive

Points over those 13 games
Suarez 113
Sturridge 105

Points Average per game
Suarez 9.64 8.69
Sturridge 7.64 8.07

Exactly 2 0.62 points per game in the difference.

Updated...it's getting closer

Sturridge: when adjusted for his 2 games when he went off injuried & came back from injury is 9.21.... so minute per minute, he's the higher scorer now.

roryc

Is it 8 games on the trot now? Must be close to breaking a record, think its held by Van Nistelrooy

PARlance

roryc wrote: »

Is it 8 games on the trot now? Must be close to breaking a record, think its held by Van Nistelrooy

7 PL games in a row with a goal, 7 goals from 6 games since his return and 1 in the everton when he got injured.

He has played 18 games this season and has scored in 15 of them.
But he "only* has 16 goals. 14games * 1 goal and 1 game * 2goals
He doesn't go nuts like Suarez...

8-10

Second FFS Cup of the season open for business:

http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/2014/02/12/ffs-paddy-power-cup-ix-and-members-cup-iv-entry-now-open/

Hope to go one better this time...

Mr.Prodston

Well for the day that's in it here's who loves me in order according to boards :P
http://www.boards.ie/love.php

Lemlin
Iused2likebusts
Welsh Megaman
KevIRL
PARlance
FutureGuy
FHFC
Go Harvey Go
Swiper the fox
roryc
Hogey007

The vast majority are FSA members naturally. The big question is though what have you got lined up for our special night Lemlin? :pac:

SpaceCowb0y

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Well for the day that's in it here's who loves me in order according to boards :P
http://www.boards.ie/love.php

Lemlin
Iused2likebusts
Welsh Megaman
KevIRL
PARlance
FutureGuy
FHFC
Go Harvey Go
Swiper the fox
roryc
Hogey007

The vast majority are FSA members naturally. The big question is though what have you got lined up for our special night Lemlin? :pac:

Haha that's gas... seems im compatible with a lot of the lads around here too :eek::o:rolleyes:;)

pizza and a shag anyone?

Michael D Not Higgins

massdebater
Vojera
Czarcasm
bluewolf
Mr.Prodston
Wibbs
DazMarz
homemadecider
rawn
Millicent
gnfnrhead

deadlineday

Username Compatibility
Mr.Prodston
finnharpsboy
KevIRL
CSF
BNMC
PARlance
FHFC
Swiper the fox
8-10
zerks
carraig2


On the top of my list Mr P

PARlance

Second on my list Mr.P but number 1 is a mod on the golf forum!!!!
There has been more yellow cards than valentines cards there

Only 2 other FSA'ers make my list.... FHFC and Iusedtolikebusts... sloppy seconds anyone?

Danger781

Should I be worried?

Iused2likebusts

PARlance wrote: »

Second on my list Mr.P but number 1 is a mod on the golf forum!!!!
There has been more yellow cards than valentines cards there

Only 2 other FSA'ers make my list.... FHFC and Iusedtolikebusts... sloppy seconds anyone?

Mr P is on top of my list aswell he gets around that boy.

Mr.Prodston

What the hell kind of can of worms have I opened for myself here? Everyone wants a bit of Mr.P :cool:

PARlance

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

What the hell kind of can of worms have I opened for myself here? Everyone wants a bit of Mr.P :cool:

We're only after your Mickey

roryc

He's top of my list too. Slut.

carraig2

Mr. Prodston on everyone's list.

roryc

And yet...

SpaceCowb0y

roryc wrote: »

And yet...

Are you going to step up to the plate so Rory?