General FPL Chat Season 2013/14

Kerrydude1981

Wonder how much will Erik Lamela be in the game,7.5 mill??

kevinroche3333

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

Wonder how much will Erik Lamela be in the game,7.5 mill??

As a 30million attacking winger/forward he would have to cost more than 7.5 i guess maybe 8.5 or 9 but i really dont know that much about the player to be honest

Lucas Hood

9.5m I'd say , hopefully less though .

Definitely one to watch out for .
15 goals & 5 assists in 33 league games for Roma last season playing mostly from the right wing .

orkkukunkku

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/statszone/8-2013/matches/694911/player-stats/84583/1_PASS_08#tabs-wrapper-anchor

Seems to be quite useful tool.

Mr.Prodston

For anyone who wants a look at Lamela here are his goals from last season

buyer95

Great news for Anelka owners that he has returned to training with WBA, and will be available for selection against Swansea this weekend.

JokerD

I can get a frontline of Aguero, Sturridge and Benteke if I keep a £5m defender

or

Aguero, Sturridge and Lambert with the inclusion of Walker in defence who I think is the better option due to his attacking play.

Stuck on this after finally thinking I had my team picked.

F1ngers

JokerD wrote: »

I can get a frontline of Aguero, Sturridge and Benteke if I keep a £5m defender

or

Aguero, Sturridge and Lambert with the inclusion of Walker in defence who I think is the better option due to his attacking play.

Stuck on this after finally thinking I had my team picked.

You could also go Aguero, Sturridge, Soldado and get a 4million defender?

Just to give you another little headache - :P

Lemlin

Podolski gone for ten weeks:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23859274

Invincible

Lemlin wrote: »

Podolski gone for ten weeks:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23859274

Am sure Wenger said 3 weeks earlier, either way you can never guarantee he'll start unless injuries force it.

Hogey007

champions league draw

chelsea - very favourable draw

united - not too bad, but no pushovers in the group. sociedad were a very good 4th seed.

city - tricky-ish, but much better than they got the last 2 years.

arsenal - very tough draw.

kevinroche3333

Arsenal got mini-raped pulling Dortmund out of the 3rd seed teams and Napoli out of the 4th seed teams! Utd at home to any of the teams in their group are clear favourites so has to be considered a decent draw for them, some great games to look forward to with Celtics group also!

Iused2likebusts

while not a difficult draw for utd its one of the harder ones theyve got in recent years and none of the games are games you would play a weaker side against.I think rvp will play in all group games until qualified and may miss a league game or two and for that reason im almost certain ill leave him out of my wildcard team

Lemlin

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

while not a difficult draw for utd its one of the harder ones theyve got in recent years and none of the games are games you would play a weaker side against.I think rvp will play in all group games until qualified and may miss a league game or two and for that reason im almost certain ill leave him out of my wildcard team

Fook me, did someone change something in The Matrix...

I've seriously bad déjà vu.

Didn't this conversation happen at the end of last season and the end result was that RVP missed fook all games?

Second time I've seen RVP being rested mentioned on the forum in the last 24 hours.

OneColdHand

Lemlin wrote: »

Fook me, did someone change something in The Matrix...

I've seriously bad déjà vu.

Didn't this conversation happen at the end of last season and the end result was that RVP missed fook all games?

Second time I've seen RVP being rested mentioned on the forum in the last 24 hours.

A conversation DEFINATELY happened a few times last year about RVP being rested, and as you say, it never happened!

Iused2likebusts

Lemlin wrote: »

Fook me, did someone change something in The Matrix...

I've seriously bad déjà vu.

Didn't this conversation happen at the end of last season and the end result was that RVP missed fook all games?

Second time I've seen RVP being rested mentioned on the forum in the last 24 hours.

that was me last year and me yesterday aswell. I have nagging doubts about rvps ability to play every 3/4 days for the next 2 months and for that reason i dont think ill be spending 14 million. You have your opinion thats fine no need to go ott in your post.Look at the fixtures on the other thread sept and oct is the busiest part of the season for top 4 teams and i dont think rvp will play every game. In years gone by hernandez would play your carling cup games and easier cl games i dont think utd have that luxury this year. Maybe im wrong but they are my thoughts on the matter.

Mr.Prodston

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

that was me last year and me yesterday aswell. I have nagging doubts about rvps ability to play every 3/4 days for the next 2 months and for that reason i dont think ill be spending 14 million. You have your opinion thats fine no need to go ott in your post.Look at the fixtures on the other thread sept and oct is the busiest part of the season for top 4 teams and i dont think rvp will play every game. In years gone by hernandez would play your carling cup games and easier cl games i dont think utd have that luxury this year. Maybe im wrong but they are my thoughts on the matter.

I can see the argument you're making and it's very valid but I think until I have evidence that RVP will be dropped then I'll keep him. Moyes won't want to not play his best player in the league which is what United will focus more of their attention on this year. Hernandez is extremely capable against anyone but I don't see RVP being rested all that often at this point in the season. He's in his prime in terms of being fit and playing well etc.

We'll all end up going round in circles and chances are there could be a game where he's rested but United are away in 5 of their 6 games after champions league (I read somewhere may not be true) so RVP will surely be needed for "tougher" away games. The merits in not picking him are clear, I've been toying with Henderson or Ramsey as my 3rd midfielders because of having him.

As with every other decision in the game we'll never know really until afterwards whether it was a good or bad choice but I can see the logic in both options. I started with RVP so I shall continue with him for now. If I didn't have him and if I didn't support United it may be a different story. (Not that it should have an baring on who I choose but I value my health and not having him could be dangerous ha)

OneColdHand

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

that was me last year and me yesterday aswell. I have nagging doubts about rvps ability to play every 3/4 days for the next 2 months and for that reason i dont think ill be spending 14 million. You have your opinion thats fine no need to go ott in your post.Look at the fixtures on the other thread sept and oct is the busiest part of the season for top 4 teams and i dont think rvp will play every game. In years gone by hernandez would play your carling cup games and easier cl games i dont think utd have that luxury this year. Maybe im wrong but they are my thoughts on the matter.

I don't think he's going ott though. There's no precedent for RVP getting dropped. It didn't happen last year when there was fixture congestion.

basillarkin

I am wild carding after the internationals to get RVP and Augero both into my team

moreau

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

until I have evidence that RVP will be dropped then I'll keep him.

Evidence. With you 100 percent brother.

Busts could be right, new gaffer and all, but I will only react after it happens.

Lemlin

OneColdHand wrote: »

I don't think he's going ott though. There's no precedent for RVP getting dropped. It didn't happen last year when there was fixture congestion.

Thank you. I don't think I'm going ott either.

The arguments being presented by the original poster are the exact same as those given last year. Resting RVP didn't happen then and I don't expect it to happen now.

I'm a firm believer that past performance and strategy firmly reflects on future performance and strategy.

RVP was not rested regularly last season and I don't expect him to be rested regularly this season.

When a precedence is set for RVP being rested, I'll worry about it then.

United have Hernandez, Wellbeck and Rooney to provide cover in Europe.

Iused2likebusts

OneColdHand wrote: »

I don't think he's going ott though. There's no precedent for RVP getting dropped. It didn't happen last year when there was fixture congestion.

i think its ott as i dont respond to someone i disagree with in that way. Just to point out rvp did not start at home to wigan in gw 4 last year or the carling cup game or the 4th champs lge game. Utds group in the champs lge is a big step up from last year and they play their fiercest rivals in the carling cup. To me its a couple of their easier home league games i feel he may not start. Moyes may play him in every game who knows . My opinions on rvp being rested last year were based on fergie leaving rooney on bench at anfield around cl games andronaldo on bench against chelsea before a cl game.These are not just thoughts i dream up. As i said from the start i have doubts and when i have doubts i dont have rvp thats the way i play the game.Its 50-50 anyway whether having an rvp playing every game is worth having in your team this year.

SlickRic

anyone have news on how injured Bony is?

Lemlin

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

i think its ott as i dont respond to someone i disagree with in that way. Just to point out rvp did not start at home to wigan in gw 4 last year or the carling cup game or the 4th champs lge game. Utds group in the champs lge is a big step up from last year and they play their fiercest rivals in the carling cup. To me its a couple of their easier home league games i feel he may not start. Moyes may play him in every game who knows . My opinions on rvp being rested last year were based on fergie leaving rooney on bench at anfield around cl games andronaldo on bench against chelsea before a cl game.These are not just thoughts i dream up. As i said from the start i have doubts and when i have doubts i dont have rvp thats the way i play the game.Its 50-50 anyway whether having an rvp playing every game is worth having in your team this year.

Well I apologise for coming across ott but for me you are making a point again that you have very little basis for, particularly as the same point was made last year and it was proven to be incorrect.

You've given an example of one PL game from last season where he didn't start?

Your other examples, the 4th Champions League game and Carling Cup game, actually back up my point.

You're saying we need to worry about RVP being rested in PL games by giving two examples where the opposite applied and he was rested in non PL games, which is a good example for my point and a bad example for yours.

PL games is all we are concerned with in this game. I'd be delighted if RVP didn't feature in the CL all season.

I would only see rotation as an issue if it frequently occurs. It can happen once or twice with any player but its only where it's frequent that I'd worry.

Lucas Hood

Robin Van Persie has played a part in Arsenal or Uniteds last 87 league games ,Starting 83 of them .

You won't find many players you can say that about .

Iused2likebusts

Lemlin wrote: »

Well I apologise for coming across ott but for me you are making a point again that you have very little basis for, particularly as the same point was made last year and it was proven to be incorrect.

You've given an example of one PL game from last season where he didn't start?

Your other examples, the 4th Champions League game and Carling Cup game, actually back up my point.

You're saying we need to worry about RVP being rested in PL games by giving two examples where the opposite applied and he was rested in non PL games, which is a good example for my point and a bad example for yours.

PL games is all we are concerned with in this game. I'd be delighted if RVP didn't feature in the CL all season.

I would only see rotation as an issue if it frequently occurs. It can happen once or twice with any player but its only where it's frequent that I'd worry.

The reason I made the point about him missing the carling cup game last year and the 4th champions lge last year is I dont think he will miss those games this year as moyes wont want to lose to liverpool and the CL group this year is a lot harder than (benfica,basel,cluj)I see him playing in all 4 CL games and the Carling cup game so IMO league games are more likely for him to miss this year . Im playing my wildcard on sat and am thinking of the next 8 gws as I think thats as far as you can plan ahead in this game. Im looking at utds fixtures
Sep 14 Palace Home ( potential rest) (rested last year)
Sep 17 Leverkusen Home
Sep 22 City Away
Sep 25 Liverpool C cup(potential rest) (rested last year)
Sep 28 WBA home (potential rest)
Oct 2 S donetsk Away
Oct 5 sunderland away
International games 2 for rvp Id imagine
Oct 19 Southampton Home
Oct 23 R sociedad Home
Oct 26 Stoke Home (potential rest)
Nov 2 Fulham Away
Nov 6 R sociedad Away ( rested last year)
Nov 10 Arsenal Home

I hold my hand up I got it wrong last year( not from a pts perspective as I had him back in for his hat trick). But I based the decision on fergies selections in previous seasons.
I dont think rvp will start all the above games( will miss atleast 2) and without easy CL games and Carling cup games to rest him or give other members of the squad a run out. I think there will be some decrease in his PL playing time. It makes most sense to me for him to not start one or two of the easier home league games.
Moyes has never rotated a side in his life so maybe he wont do it. I get and respect people waiting for evidence. As I said the way I play the game for 14 million I cant have doubts about rvp even if the doubts prove to be unfounded.
No hard feelings debating, sharing opinions is what this forum is about. I analyse as much as the next person every single decision I make in this game. A lot of the time too much it must be said and this could be a case in point but its a feeling I have and I prefer to go with my gut.

Iused2likebusts

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Robin Van Persie has played a part in Arsenal or Uniteds last 87 league games ,Starting 83 of them .

You won't find many players you can say that about .

thats an unbelievable stat

The Phantom Jipper

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

The reason I made the point about him missing the carling cup game last year and the 4th champions lge last year is I dont think he will miss those games this year as moyes wont want to lose to liverpool and the CL group this year is a lot harder than (benfica,basel,cluj)I see him playing in all 4 CL games and the Carling cup game so IMO league games are more likely for him to miss this year . Im playing my wildcard on sat and am thinking of the next 8 gws as I think thats as far as you can plan ahead in this game. Im looking at utds fixtures
Sep 14 Palace Home ( potential rest) (rested last year)
Sep 17 Leverkusen Home
Sep 22 City Away
Sep 25 Liverpool C cup(potential rest) (rested last year)
Sep 28 WBA home (potential rest)
Oct 2 S donetsk Away
Oct 5 sunderland away
International games 2 for rvp Id imagine
Oct 19 Southampton Home
Oct 23 R sociedad Home
Oct 26 Stoke Home (potential rest)
Nov 2 Fulham Away
Nov 6 R sociedad Away ( rested last year)
Nov 10 Arsenal Home

I hold my hand up I got it wrong last year( not from a pts perspective as I had him back in for his hat trick). But I based the decision on fergies selections in previous seasons.
I dont think rvp will start all the above games( will miss atleast 2) and without easy CL games and Carling cup games to rest him or give other members of the squad a run out. I think there will be some decrease in his PL playing time. It makes most sense to me for him to not start one or two of the easier home league games.
Moyes has never rotated a side in his life so maybe he wont do it. I get and respect people waiting for evidence. As I said the way I play the game for 14 million I cant have doubts about rvp even if the doubts prove to be unfounded.
No hard feelings debating, sharing opinions is what this forum is about. I analyse as much as the next person every single decision I make in this game. A lot of the time too much it must be said and this could be a case in point but its a feeling I have and I prefer to go with my gut.

I'd like very much for this to be true! Did a quick rummage around for the last Moyes game of any importance and came up with the Liverpool - Everton FA Cup semi from the season before last. The match prior to that in the league (linked in the report below) showed some of the big guns like Baines were rested. Moyes appears to have form when it comes to this. Pretty clear you all should sell RvP before it's too late

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17581613

Here's a choice extract "Toffees boss David Moyes clearly had one eye on his side's date with Liverpool at Wembley on Saturday, making five changes and leaving Leighton Baines, Tim Cahill and Nikica Jelavic out of his squad entirely."

Lucas Hood

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

thats an unbelievable stat

As in you don't believe it ?
Transfermarkt is the source I used . Feel free to check it .

Iused2likebusts

Lucas Hood wrote: »

As in you don't believe it ?
Transfermarkt is the source I used . Feel free to check it .

No sorry I didnt mean that I dont believe it. Just for a top level player with a supposed injury problem to have that stat is impressive and I was surprised to say the least. Im hoping(praying) that stat changes over the next 8 league games though.

Fowler87

I've already played my ft (Collins in for Ivanovic) but am tempted to bring in Leroy Fer for a point hit. Think he might have a big scoring gw on his home debut. Will be playing free role too. Norwich' fixtures aren't great though

Mr.Prodston

The Phantom Jipper wrote: »

I'd like very much for this to be true! Did a quick rummage around for the last Moyes game of any importance and came up with the Liverpool - Everton FA Cup semi from the season before last. The match prior to that in the league (linked in the report below) showed some of the big guns like Baines were rested. Moyes appears to have form when it comes to this. Pretty clear you all should sell RvP before it's too late

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17581613

Here's a choice extract "Toffees boss David Moyes clearly had one eye on his side's date with Liverpool at Wembley on Saturday, making five changes and leaving Leighton Baines, Tim Cahill and Nikica Jelavic out of his squad entirely."

I'm going to with joking here :pac: I'm pretty sure Everton had important games last season. I'm also pretty sure an FA cup semi-final against city rivals is a totally different kettle of fish to a 3rd round league cup game or CL group stage game for Man Utd. Especially as Everton were in no man's land as the league table in the article points out.

Another point in the article states:

The last time Moyes rested players ahead of a cup tie, it was for a Merseyside derby before his side's quarter-final against the Black Cats, and it created a storm of controversy when the Reds won 3-0.

His selection this time is unlikely to bring any complaints from Toffees fans, especially as his side still picked up their third win in their last four league games without meeting much resistance from the visitors

So I'm sure Moyes may have learned a lesson in that itself. Both sides have merits and lets hope both sides are right. RVP can have a rest for one game, come on with 2 minutes to go and score a tap in and score a goal or 2 in every other game. Everybody wins

The Phantom Jipper

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

I'm going to with joking here :pac: I'm pretty sure Everton had important games last season. I'm also pretty sure an FA cup semi-final against city rivals is a totally different kettle of fish to a 3rd round league cup game or CL group stage game for Man Utd. Especially as Everton were in no man's land as the league table in the article points out.

Another point in the article states:



So I'm sure Moyes may have learned a lesson in that itself. Both sides have merits and lets hope both sides are right. RVP can have a rest for one game, come on with 2 minutes to go and score a tap in and score a goal or 2 in every other game. Everybody wins

Ha I don't find the evidence wholly compelling but thought i'd play devil's advocate :pac:

Flicking through the last season or two, this was the first game that stood out as one where players might be rested and turns out some of them were. Hopefully it's indicative of some sort of Moyesian predisposition for resting big players, i'll sleep a little easier each Friday if so.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Utd have played two bleedin' games and we're talking about resting players? Its not the over 50s Sunday cup.

Iused2likebusts

Ronan Jolly Saffron wrote: »

Utd have played two bleedin' games and we're talking about resting players? Its not the over 50s Sunday cup.

Im talking about the 13 or 14 games utd face between Sept 14 and Nov 10( plus 2 international games for all the players). Which unlike previous seasons includes 4 tough CL games and a Carling Cup tie where I feel Utd will need to field near enough their strongest side. What Im questioning is when kagawa, A young, nani , giggs Hernandez and zaha will get game time. If you assume that there are 10 players going for four attacking positions and Valencia, wellbeck, rooney, rvp seem to be the main 4 as it stands. The other 6 need games and will get games. I feel unlike previous seasons they cant throw them in for the carling cup or a CL tie against Cluj. Looking at utds fixture list this season it seems more likely than other seasons that it could be some of the easier home league games

Mr.Prodston

Europa League Draw:

Swansea: Valencia, Kuban Krasnodar, St Gallen

Spurs: Anzhi, FC Sheriff, Tromso

Neither look too difficult bar Valencia for Swansea although Kuban (Russia) have Djibril Cisse and Ibrahima Balde as the 2 most recognisable names, to me anyway. FC Gallen should be ok and a nice trip to Switzerland.

Spurs also travel to Russia to face Anzhi who may well have no players left :pac: Tromso from Norway should be handy. FC Sheriff should be easily negotiated but travelling to Moldova is the biggest issue there.

Could be a lot worse although naturally Spurs have the better of things.

basillarkin

The pressure Moyes is under is immense, it will be harder if he loses a couple of games or starts to fall behind City or Chelsea for that reason alone he wont be resting players, expect RVP t play in every game.

Iused2likebusts

basillarkin wrote: »

The pressure Moyes is under is immense, it will be harder if he loses a couple of games or starts to fall behind City or Chelsea for that reason alone he wont be resting players, expect RVP t play in every game.

not qualifying from the cl group would also heap huge pressure on him

Lemlin

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Im talking about the 13 or 14 games utd face between Sept 14 and Nov 10( plus 2 international games for all the players). Which unlike previous seasons includes 4 tough CL games and a Carling Cup tie where I feel Utd will need to field near enough their strongest side. What Im questioning is when kagawa, A young, nani , giggs Hernandez and zaha will get game time. If you assume that there are 10 players going for four attacking positions and Valencia, wellbeck, rooney, rvp seem to be the main 4 as it stands. The other 6 need games and will get games. I feel unlike previous seasons they cant throw them in for the carling cup or a CL tie against Cluj. Looking at utds fixture list this season it seems more likely than other seasons that it could be some of the easier home league games

Other than a semi final or final, when was the last time United started "near enough their strongest side" in a Carling Cup game? No matter who the opposition was.

basillarkin

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

not qualifying from the cl group would also heap huge pressure on him

that's why i believe RVP will play all league and CL games

Lemlin

basillarkin wrote: »

that's why i believe RVP will play all league and CL games

I don't believe he'll play them all. I think he'll probably miss one, maybe two, but I'm not overly worried about it.

After all, Wenger rested him two years ago against Sunderland and he came on for 20 or 30 minutes and scored a brace and took all three bonus.

Iused2likebusts

Lemlin wrote: »

Other than a semi final or final, when was the last time United started "near enough their strongest side" in a Carling Cup game? No matter who the opposition was.

they never do but liverpool is different. Despite liverpools demise its still the game Utd fans love to win and vice versa. Im sure all the utd fans on here would expect a stronger than usual carling cup team for that game. Its a mickey mouse competition but liverpool will be at full strength and I suspect Utd will be stronger than usual.

Iused2likebusts

basillarkin wrote: »

that's why i believe RVP will play all league and CL games

Fair enough he may do there will be a lot of frustrated players in utds squad if he does and a media circus over Rooney to deal with.

Iused2likebusts

Lemlin wrote: »

I don't believe he'll play them all. I think he'll probably miss one, maybe two, but I'm not overly worried about it.

After all, Wenger rested him two years ago against Sunderland and he came on for 20 or 30 minutes and scored a brace and took all three bonus.

I really cant understand why you didnt have him in your starting team this year such is your belief in him.

Invincible

Luiz started tonight in Supercup, should feature in league front here on.

Lemlin

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I really cant understand why you didnt have him in your starting team this year such is your belief in him.

This isn't about my belief in him tbh. It's more about my belief that you are giving out information which is incorrect.

As others have pointed out, there's very little evidence or precedence that RVP will be rested for any significant number of games.

basillarkin

Is Schürrle a cheap way into the Chelsea mid? Luiz playing well tonight, are Terrys days as a starter under threat?

Iused2likebusts

Lemlin wrote: »

This isn't about my belief in him tbh. It's more about my belief that you are giving out information which is incorrect.

As others have pointed out, there's very little evidence or precedence that RVP will be rested for any significant number of games.

What information am I giving out thats incorrect ? I have my doubts whether he will start all league games over the next two months is what I have said.Never mentioned a significant amount of games. Im not comfortable picking a player for 14 million that I feel may be rested even if its only once. Im wildcarding with the next two months in mind. Ive giving my arguments why I think its possible he may miss some PL time compared to last year. When I dropped RVP last year I looked back at utd teamsheets in and around CL games in seasons gone by and found that on a number of occasions the big guns Ronaldo, Rooney were benched. For the next 8 league games Ive an opinion nearly everyone else on here has a different opinion thats fine. Management is a complicated thing and Moyes has a lot of things to juggle and weigh up the next two months. I think he may do one thing, you think he will do another thing. Moyes has never managed RVP or a big squad so neither of us know what will happen. What happened last year is gone different circumstances.
I play the game in a riskier fashion than yourself. I like to anticipate something happening you require a degree of certainty.Both of us have a good history so both approaches can work.
Anyway I respect your opinion and it was interesting reading the rvp/bale thread as we both have swapped sides in the have rvp in your team debate. Im thinking I just like to be different. One things for sure Im not going to take Rory C's place around here:)

Invincible

basillarkin wrote: »

Is Schürrle a cheap way into the Chelsea mid? Luiz playing well tonight, are Terrys days as a starter under threat?

I'd say he considers Luiz a more mobile player compared to Terry, might rotate them.

Lemlin

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

What information am I giving out thats incorrect ? I have my doubts whether he will start all league games over the next two months is what I have said.Never mentioned a significant amount of games. Im not comfortable picking a player for 14 million that I feel may be rested even if its only once. Im wildcarding with the next two months in mind. Ive giving my arguments why I think its possible he may miss some PL time compared to last year. When I dropped RVP last year I looked back at utd teamsheets in and around CL games in seasons gone by and found that on a number of occasions the big guns Ronaldo, Rooney were benched. For the next 8 league games Ive an opinion nearly everyone else on here has a different opinion thats fine. Management is a complicated thing and Moyes has a lot of things to juggle and weigh up the next two months. I think he may do one thing, you think he will do another thing. Moyes has never managed RVP or a big squad so neither of us know what will happen. What happened last year is gone different circumstances.
I play the game in a riskier fashion than yourself. I like to anticipate something happening you require a degree of certainty.Both of us have a good history so both approaches can work.
Anyway I respect your opinion and it was interesting reading the rvp/bale thread as we both have swapped sides in the have rvp in your team debate. Im thinking I just like to be different. One things for sure Im not going to take Rory C's place around here:)

I wouldn't see how we've swapped sides. I always said I would start without RVP but would be ready to get him in. I also said I could see both sides of the argument.

In regards to Moyes, we may only be two games in but I've seen nothing to show that he's making huge changes at United yet.

In the past, Moyes hadn't rotated to any significant degree, United haven't rotated to any significant degree, RVP hasn't been rotated to any significant degree - that's reason enough for me.

I wouldn't say I require a degree of certainty. I often make moves based on what I expect to happen e.g. Getting Walcott in for tomorrow, getting Suarez and Walcott in pre big hauls last year.

For me, past performance is an indicator of future performance and what managers generally did in the past is what they will do in the future.

We'll leave it there anyway.