Korea is not happy. *Mod warning 1st post*

Allyall

Candie wrote: »

I hope so too.

Hopefully it's not just a hastily thought of cover story to excuse that behaviour, but that was my first thought when I read that supposed explanation.

He seems pretty adamant, as he has also gone back to reply a couple of times.

John Power
4:43 AM GMT
Could you contact me in confidence about your assertion that the video was staged? I am a journalist with The Korea Herald. john.power@heraldcorp.com
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TrueSheryl
5:07 AM GMT
You need to provide proof -- credible, documented proof. Given GI racism and misogyny is a common established occurrence on Korean soil, I could highly doubt this video was staged. Anyone with an account can claim this as false and cite a random bar and date.

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thelastknownsurvivor
6:09 AM GMT

I have sent John Power the information and the proof that I have in confidence that he will be able to interview the Director and get his side of things. I have also sent an email to Max Fisher offering him the directors name. The fact is the director released this initially but nothing happened. He did release it without any details but that was 2 years ago. I have no idea who this new source is and if they know about the making of this video.
All of you are right to question the validity of my claims but I do not want to post the directors name on a public website for fear that he could be mistreated. I will leave it up to the press and the director to put out the truth.

Allyall

Allyall wrote: »

He seems pretty adamant, as he has also gone back to reply a couple of times.

I hope it is staged, I really do. It's enormously preferable to the alternative.

If it was staged, it's backfired in a way that could ruin their lives and I hope they manage to rescue their reputations.

Allyall

John Power of the Korean Herald has posted some of the results of his interactions with the "actors" in the Movie.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20130716001008

Video of expats abusing Korean woman ‘staged’

An online video showing a Korean woman apparently being harassed by a group of Western men in a nightclub was staged, two men who say they acted in the video have claimed.

The video, which has caused outrage online in recent days and appeared in Korean and foreign media including the Washington Post webpage, appears to show a number of men sexually and verbally harassing an intoxicated Korean woman. The men are shown cursing at the woman, filming her chest and forcing her own finger up her nose and into her mouth.

Some Internet users criticized the woman for being “obsessed with white guys” or claimed “what you get is what you deserve.” Others said she was embarrassing her country, calling her a “kimchi girl,” a degrading term used for Korean women.

After it attracted thousands of angry comments from local netizens and was picked up by Korean media, Max Fisher of the Washington Post wrote about the video on his official blog on Monday. His post has in turn been written about by numerous Korean media outlets.

Two men, however, separately contacted The Korea Herald claiming that the video was edited and was in fact part of a series of short horror films shot in 2011. One of the men said that the video had been shot to show the “horror” of how society treats people with physical deformities. In the controversial video, the men are also shown ridiculing the young woman over the condition of her teeth....

Read More....

ScumLord

Seaneh wrote: »

Guy sitting down is Irish, it's a midlands accent that's been affected by both South Dublin and American/Canadian accent exposure. It dips between the 3, I'd guess he is from somewhere in the midlands, most likely Laois or Carlow and went to school in one of the south dublin colleges and now lives/works with american/canadian expat in Korea and has picked up both accents, but he still has a very broad vowel pronunciation and very soft/flat "th" sounds and his t's aren't very sharp.

Camera guy is from either the west of Canada (Alberta or B.C. would be my guess).

I actually think I pick up a 3rd voice and accent in there too that for some reason makes me think of the pacific northwest of the US but it could be the Canadian camera man.

Have you found Red John yet?

mikom

IrishExpat seems to believe he/she knows one of the "actors".

IrishExpat wrote: »

Unfortunately, I can pinpoint one of them - not a 'friend' by any means, and it's worth noting he's taken his Facebook offline.

He's known to be an asshole to women closer to home, so as disgusted as I am, far from shocked at the behaviour.

What a dick!

You ever heard of this guy doing any "acting" IrishExpat?

Femme_Fatale

mikom wrote: »

Would you have it banned?

No, but people should be allowed discuss its potential pitfalls without being dismissed by people who watch it, simply because it hits a nerve.

Verbally and physically abused is not my bag, baby.

I think the poster who brought up porn was specifically only referring to the really nasty stuff, not all porn in general. That's how I'd view things anyway. It's only a certain type of legal porn that I find sinister.

mikom

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

No, but people should be allowed discuss its potential pitfalls without being dismissed by people who watch it, simply because it hits a nerve.

Not dismissing you at all.
Just asking, would you have it banned?
What would you allow?

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

It's only a certain type of legal porn that I find sinister.

Same here.

Femme_Fatale

mikom wrote: »

Not dismissing you at all.

I didn't say you were - I meant in general.

Just asking, would you have it banned?

I clearly said I wouldn't.

Same here.

I know.

Viewing really hardcore porn as problematic isn't = viewing all porn as problematic.

mikom

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I didn't say you were - I meant in general.

I clearly said I wouldn't.

I know.

Viewing really hardcore porn as problematic isn't = viewing all porn as problematic.

Seems we are on the same page.

On an associated note......... I find that Asian porn where the ladies act like they are being raped to be some of the most off-putting stuff.
Genitals may be blurred to retain modesty, but it creeps me the fuck out.

Allyall

Just for closure on the video, apparently it is definitely staged. One of the actors is uplading the entire short horror movie from which it was taken, and posting it on Facebook.
Apparently two of the actors are American, and one is Canadian, the Girl is from South Korea.
They didn't say where the Director is from.

EDIT..

I don't know anymore.
Was convincing whenall the screenshotsfrom facebook conversations were shown, and when the journalist said he had been in contact.. Now it's difficult to tell as no more contact has been made.

mikom

Allyall wrote: »

Just for closure on the video, apparently it is definitely staged. One of the actors is uplading the entire short horror movie from which it was taken, and posting it on Facebook.
Apparently two of the actors are American, and one is Canadian, the Girl is from South Korea.
They didn't say where the Director is from.

No Irish?

rgmmg

So, it was a short and, in short, us Irish are not only great people but also great actors. Everyone can go back to feeling proud to be Irish, particularly those UCD graduates from D4 or the Midlands who aren't as bad as we all thought. As you were everyone, all is well in the world

super_furry

If that Canadian person is from Newfoundland, they're practically Irish with a 100% Irish accent. http://youtu.be/zqLuIXwsLDw

corktina

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I doubt anyone rational is suggesting anyone who watches hardcore porn featuring women being verbally and physically abused and degraded (although it's beyond me how normal people can "love" and be turned on by this stuff - it's misogyny in film form; but hey... you're a "prude" or a "feminist" if you make that point ) would behave like this as a result. But I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that a minority of younger lads who have grown up with this stuff and who have a sh1tty attitude in the first place might be influenced somewhat by it.

yes I agree. The big problem with porn is that regular viewers need more and more extreme porn to get a kick out of it and then could believe that what they see is acceptable to do (or at least try) with real women.

When I was a lad a glimpse of nipple was worthy of a second glance (to coin a euphemism!) and now you'd see as much on the telly at tea time. Porn then would have been very tame (and still too)

humbert

If it is fabricated it is extremely irresponsible way to gain publicity. No different that making a video of a bunch of black men assaulting an Irish woman and letting go viral.

Frank Lee Midere

corktina wrote: »

yes I agree. The big problem with porn is that regular viewers need more and more extreme porn to get a kick out of it and then could believe that what they see is acceptable to do (or at least try) with real women.

When I was a lad a glimpse of nipple was worthy of a second glance (to coin a euphemism!) and now you'd see as much on the telly at tea time. Porn then would have been very tame (and still too)

This. Porn is fantasy as was old school Hollywood sex which I grew up with and was gentler. Obviously the fantasies of 16 year old guys now are going to be different than before the Internet. I mean porn is almost entirely rough sex - not just the severe stuff but the "normal" porn. Hence young folks saying "I destroyed her" as "I made love to her".

ScumLord

corktina wrote: »

yes I agree. The big problem with porn is that regular viewers need more and more extreme porn to get a kick out of it and then could believe that what they see is acceptable to do (or at least try) with real women.

I don't really accept this gateway theory for porn. People have their own particular thing, whether that be a bouncing big boobed blond, or a brunet in handcuffs. I don't think you'll go from watching shagging to watching some of the more violent stuff, just because you like one type of sex act doesn't mean you'll like any act that features nudity.

It sounds like a defunct anti drug spiel applied onto something totally unrelated and even less applicable.

Frank Lee Midere

ScumLord wrote: »

I don't really accept this gateway theory for porn. People have their own particular thing, whether that be a bouncing big boobed blond, or a brunet in handcuffs. I don't think you'll go from watching shagging to watching some of the more violent stuff, just because you like one type of sex act doesn't mean you'll like any act that features nudity.

It sounds like a defunct anti drug spiel applied onto something totally unrelated and even less applicable.

It's definitely the case. Plenty of studies show people get sated with normal porn.

mikom

My father watched the fugitive and I watch Dexter.

ScumLord

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

It's definitely the case. Plenty of studies show people get sated with normal porn.

I think you're talking about a special kind of person though. The same kind that get addicted to gambling or drugs. They're not average or the norm, they are a tiny minority and you can't tar everyone with that brush.

Allyall

mikom wrote: »

No Irish?

Apparently not. Still waiting to see the video uploaded..

Apparently someone has been doing their own sleuthing
http://imgur.com/a/5Z6OF

ION08

Im sorry but i still dont buy the whole "it was staged" cop out. It just wreeks of making excuses and cover story.

The main guy harassing her seems too lost for words when the girl says "F*** you" and his best retort is calling her "bleeding gums murphy"?? A character out of an old simpsons episode that few people would get? .. Yeah sure.. Great scripting/dialogue for a "rehearsed" video by a korean director :rolleyes:

I'll only believe it once i see this whole "short movie" that it's apparently a part of.

In which case i retract my statement and applaud the actors involved.

Until then i call BS on the cover story

WIZE

The Lads are probably out with a camera today to make the rest of the so called movie

Lord Derpington

Mirror of original video

Allyall

http://www.busanhaps.com/article/video-expats-abusing-korean-girl-might-be-fake

And a quote from Jezebel....

South Korea Assault Video Authenticity Debated, But It Doesn't Matter

It doesn't matter whether or not the video is staged or real? Facts account for nothing?
http://jezebel.com/south-korea-assault-video-authenticity-debated-but-it-799510438

Let's say the video does turn out to be fake. Does that mean Westerners abroad don't ever treat women this way? Does it mean that numerous people who believed it to be true didn't conclude that the "kimchi girl" deserved that sort of treatment? If I fake my own mugging, that doesn't mean it's okay to mug someone, and it doesn't mean that victims of robberies are asking for it — especially if muggings are a problem that social taboos and sexist/ethnic assumptions prevent people from discussing.

:mad:

Frank Lee Midere

ScumLord wrote: »

I think you're talking about a special kind of person though. The same kind that get addicted to gambling or drugs. They're not average or the norm, they are a tiny minority and you can't tar everyone with that brush.

No. the majority. You provably have a different opinion on what is hard core porn but a decade ago anal would've been hard core.

IM0

looks fake to me, no doubt a piece proppoganda by the north koreans or something.

ION08

IM0 wrote: »

looks fake to me, no doubt a piece proppoganda by the north koreans or something.

They should have gone with that excuse instead of the whole viral video bull crap! :pac:

Allyall

ION08 wrote: »

They should have gone with that excuse instead of the whole viral video bull crap! :pac:

I have heard many different variations..

One being it was made viral to detract people from other stuff going on over there. But it was also mentioned that this gained very little attention in Korea until after it had appeared on American news sites/papers.

One journalist that said he had interviewed the actors - John Power for the Korea Herald.


https://twitter.com/John_F_Power

11:40 AM - 16 Jul 13 ·
Benjamin Wagner ‏@benjawag 58m

@John_F_Power Any luck contacting alleged Korean director of vid showing harassment of Korean woman?
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11:43 AM - 16 Jul 13 ·
John Francis Power ‏@John_F_Power 55m

@benjawag Know identity but no contact yet.
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11:49 AM - 16 Jul 13 ·
Benjamin Wagner ‏@benjawag 49m

@John_F_Power I see. @Max_Fisher wasn't provided with ID. Will you ask him to confirm or deny?
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11:50 AM - 16 Jul 13 ·
John Francis Power ‏@John_F_Power 49m

@benjawag @Max_Fisher Of course. Have done, but no response.

So maybe the "Horror Film" was to cover up, or maybe the Director is trying to milk as much attention as possible before he goes public.

Right now it's looking dodgy again. Nobody is replying to him.

GiftofGab

So there still hasn't been any closure of this yet. No full video to prove itdms a horror, no contact with director, just some guy claiming it was set up.

GiftofGab

So there still hasn't been any closure of this yet. No full video to prove it was a horror, no contact with director, just some guy claiming it was set up.

ryanfm

The worst thing about it is, many, if not most, Koreans blame the girl.

Ruudi_Mentari

GiftofGab wrote: »

So there still hasn't been any closure of this yet. No full video to prove it was a horror, no contact with director, just some guy claiming it was set up.

So sieze the opportunity to turn it on its head. No proof of this, contrary to the other

If they want people to believe it then fair enough, because whats there is there to see now lets see them disprove it in a court of law. That would be the greatest trick and then maybe we could put an end to hoax viral smut like it too

maninasia

ION08 wrote: »

Im sorry but i still dont buy the whole "it was staged" cop out. It just wreeks of making excuses and cover story.

The main guy harassing her seems too lost for words when the girl says "F*** you" and his best retort is calling her "bleeding gums murphy"?? A character out of an old simpsons episode that few people would get? .. Yeah sure.. Great scripting/dialogue for a "rehearsed" video by a korean director :rolleyes:

I'll only believe it once i see this whole "short movie" that it's apparently a part of.

In which case i retract my statement and applaud the actors involved.

Until then i call BS on the cover story

Scepticism is good. This is why we need journalists, real journalists, it seems even the Washington Post of 'Watergate' fame is not able to hire them these days.

take everything

Was this proven to be fake or not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB4aA4eO8wY

This (admittedly kinda annoying) guy thinks not.

Allyall

take everything wrote: »

Was this proven to be fake or not.
VIJO
This (admittedly kinda annoying) guy thinks not.

It was proven to be fake according to John Power.
http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20130725001042
He says he saw three different takes of the same scene, and that they used different insults and different seating etc..

also - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2378727/Western-men-claim-shocking-video-abusing-Korean-staged-film-shoot.html[/url

John Francis Power ‏@John_F_Power 25 Jul

Here's how nightclub abuse hoax played out: http://bit.ly/1aKHS5c http://bit.ly/1aOJquU http://bit.ly/15Mp3I3 http://bit.ly/1c5GS9V

Kirby

Yeah if you do a bit of reading on it, it's been proven as fake.

But that never stops the fake moral outrage brigade. Oooooh evil westerners! :rolleyes: