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Set up that PS2 HDD this evening and what do you know, the HDD didn't need any work on it - the previous owner had already been using it with a PS2 so it was all good to go. (even had a few games)
Had no luck FTPing over to it, so took a broken USB HDD apart and turned it into an IDE enclosure. All working now. Slowly filling it with games.0 -
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Goddammit, Japan!
I'm all over that like cheap perfume on a lady of the night.
Outrun in 3D, yes please.0 -
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Treated myself to a PS4. The argos deal with destiny seemed too good to say no to. It's a very modest visual upgrade compared to last gen. For all the talk about destiny being revolutionary it's just phantasy star online with guns. Luckily it's a lot of fun.
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I've only just played a little of it but think that's a bit harsh. It feels more like a Diablo/PSO loot grinder and its level set up is about the same, big open levels that are reused with different objectives. Its easier to understand when you think of it that way. It's more than enough fun to keep me playing for a while.
On another note I pick up Wolfenstein New Order as it was on special offer with the console from argos. Not the most amazing game ever but a surprisingly good one. I'm also impressed with how it deals with the extreme violence in the game. There's 2 torture scenes early on but the game cuts away from them. It's far more effective than most games that seem obsessed with sickening torture scenes.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »I've only just played a little of it but think that's a bit harsh. It feels more like a Diablo/PSO loot grinder and its level set up is about the same, big open levels that are reused with different objectives. Its easier to understand when you think of it that way. It's more than enough fun to keep me playing for a while.
The problem is two fold (well, the game has many fundamental problems but these two are particularly problematic) - a) the big open levels are sparse, static, repetitive and restrictive (invisible barriers! insta-death perimeters!), with nowhere near enough variety to mix up the mechanics on a regular basis.
As of level eight, I have yet to encounter an objective that is any different than 'fight waves of enemies before fighting a bullet sponge boss'. It's hugely frustrating because the core shooting is truly immensely enjoyable - and definitely enough to keep playing for a while - but almost everything surrounding it is infuriating. There are some moments when you stumble across an enjoyable online interaction or a tense battle, but they feel few and far between. It simply feels like a mess of different ideas - some good, some bad - that haven't been executed in a coherent manner, and gives the impression that everything feels artificial rather than organic. When I see games like No Man's Sky promising - it remains to be seen if it'll deliver, of course - these vast, dynamic universes full of personalised adventure and exploration (Destiny's loading screen space travel feels like a particularly missed opportunity), Destiny's grander ambitions can't help but feel profoundly limited. 0 -
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Well I get you on that. For all the talk about it being revolutionary it has the exact same structure as phantasy star online. That game had 4 areas in it that it reused for multiple missions and a small hub section which had shops. However it's not such a bad thing. pSO was a lot of fun and so is this. The real motivation is the loot grind and if you're not invested in that then you won't like it. I think it does the FPS loot grind a lot better than borderlands which I could not stand.
But yes it's hardly revolutionary being basically PSO/Diablo 2 with guns, two games nearly 15 years old at this stage.
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johnny_ultimate wrote: »More importantly: go play Resogun :P
I did. I lasted 2 minutes. Fecking Defender clone, that game has too many buttons and they confuse me!
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It isn't considered hardcore to be confused with only 8 buttons. Very easy to learn.Retr0gamer wrote: »Ah come on now, isn't defender regarded as up there with dockey kong as one of the hardest arcade machines?0 -
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*tosses back gamer card to Retro*Retr0gamer wrote: »Ah I'll play a good bit more of it. Right now I'm blaming my own cack handedness on the controls0 -
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I do recall my laptop feeling quite hot during Gone Home alright, still managed to play through it without incident! I'd say it's just poorly optimised - either that or CPUs don't like sensitively portrayed homosexuality themes in their games :pac:
Gunpoint had no issues with on Steam. Absolutely fantastic little game 0 -
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Because you're playing on a rubbish laptop? :P
Can't say I've had issue with Gunpoint (or Steam). I never got 5 minutes into Gone Home before turning it off though! :pac: (I'm using a desktop 4 yrs old or so these days, ancient relatively speaking.)
Hah!
It's about 4 years old at this stage I think, so might be just starting to age. Has an i5, 6GB of RAM and an Nvidia Optimus though, which has run everything I've thrown at it over the years. Seems odd that an Indie game like Gone Home would give it issues.
Odd thing is, it doesn't even feel like it's running hot. But the shutdown symptoms are definitely the laptop going 'I don't like this, I'm outta here!'johnny_ultimate wrote: »I do recall my laptop feeling quite hot during Gone Home alright, still managed to play through it without incident! I'd say it's just poorly optimised - either that or CPUs don't like sensitively portrayed homosexuality themes in their games :pac:
Gunpoint had no issues with on Steam. Absolutely fantastic little game
Both Gunpoint and Hotline Miami refuse to boot from my Steam. I've tried several reinstalls etc. Both work 100% perfectly via dodgy non Steam copies.
I've never had much luck with Steam over the years though, from the moment it was released it's always given me issues one way or another.
On the subject of Gunpoint, yeah it's really really great. Would love to be able to configure it to work with the NES30.0 -
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If I was you I'd wipe steam from your PC and reinstall a clean version. If it gets corrupted you can have problems.
As for Gone Home, it really is a badly optimised and programmed game. I had some trouble getting over 30 fps on my PC which isn't exactly shabby. Goat Simulator is even more poorly optimised again. Can't really play the developer though, proper optimisation is not something a small developer can invest time into.
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The Last Bandit wrote: »If they can't deliver a working product, then absolutely its their fault.
Well it does work and it's not the kind of game where framerate is important. It's not broken, you just need a decent PC to run it. In the case of Goat Simulator the fact that it's broken is the fun of it although I'm surprised with how poorly it runs considering it's running on Unreal.
Think of it like Rise of the Triad when you reduced the screen size to its smallest and it told you to buy a 486 :P
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Retr0gamer wrote: »I suggest Ciderauldlad check out Formula Fusion and cream his pants when he see's it. Ex Sony Liverpool developers new game that looks suspiciously like Wipeout.
Seriously though,
It has an earlier name, Slamjet Racing, hopefully the change to Formula Fusion will stick, the other sounds like Shrek and Spyro might feature in a SD kart!
The video seems a little sparse, the vehicles don't seem to be banking at all, simply glued a set height from the courses.
Remember that, outside of F-Zero, no one came close to replicating the Wipeout vision of racing without wheels.
Powerdrome was almost there, but nothing else, explaining the non existence of the genre, outside of specific track portions in Mario Kart 8.
I look forward to it and hope the Wipeout devs made Wipeout 1-3/SE and the PSP/Vita games, and had nothing to do with the awful game on the PS2.
This gives some hope though
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Although the later move to consoles from an initial launch on PC makes my face sad.....
Please Sony, see sense and bring us more Wipeout!
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johnny_ultimate wrote: »You do get DRM free copies with Humble Bundles, by the way, if the Steam versions are giving you hassle.
Ah right, I didn't know that. Good to know.
Maybe it's Steam that's trying to melt my GPU and not Gone Home, must try the DRM free oneDon't you have them both in their Jamma original incarnations?
And, at this point, running full tilt via Mame?
Why buy it again, when there's nothing new in there?
Or is that a moot point around these parts?
I have originals of Raiden 1 & 2, but not DX. The only way I could play DX previously was via the PS1 port. Worked quite nicely though.
There'd be something nice about seeing both in the Steam library. Plus it might get the games a bit more exposure. The more people pumping money into shmups the better! 0 -
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The best thing about F-zero is that it's far from random unlike Wipeout which relies on the randomness of the weapon system too much. In F-zero you either race well and place high or you do crap. That game is all about skill.
I'm not saying Wipeout is bad. They're good games with 3 SE and 2097 being standouts but for anti grav racing that's actually about racing nothing comes close to F-zero. In fact I'd say it's a toss up between X and GX for best arcade racer ever.
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The only way I could play DX previously was via the PS1 port. Worked quite nicely though.
It's an excellent port alright.I'm going to have to disagree on Wipeout vs FZero.
2097 and the Special Edition of the 3rd game, both on the PS1 are superb.
The two PSP games are brilliant as well, maybe not as good though.
The 3rd title tied the tracks into a more coherent real world context, something the Vita game did much later.
The Special Edition of that PS1 game then added in the best of the classic tracks from the previous two, making it one to own.
FZero always felt a little too random for me.
Although GX is simply breathtaking.
Think I only have Wip3out so must see if I can get my hands on 2097. I'll be shocked if it's a better game than GX though. (Actually it's already at a disadvantage considering it doesn't use a GC controller!) 0 -
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I'd have to say Outrun 2006 Coast 2 Coast is the epitome of arcade racers and my favourite of them all.
I'd also say that Rollcage: Stage 2 gives any Wipeout a run for it's money.
Can't argue with those two choices in fairness.The Last Bandit wrote: »Hmm Outrun C2C is definitely very good but I think the Burnout series has the edge over it.
As much as I loved burnout I did find myself getting sick of it towards the end when it became a little bit two tough. Outrun 2 though, I could throw that game on for a few minutes any time and never get sick of it.Think I only have Wip3out so must see if I can get my hands on 2097. I'll be shocked if it's a better game than GX though. (Actually it's already at a disadvantage considering it doesn't use a GC controller!)It's not.
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Wipeout 2097 is impressive because it got so much right as a second run at the an original franchise and does so much that the original couldn't do.
What I mean is, side by side, Wipeout looks like it was on a previous console gen, while 2097 still looks pretty nice, time from an obligatory youtube video series!
This is pretty awesome sauce though
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I just wish that Sega style arcade racers were back in fashion. Gran Turismo and it's devil spawn bore me to big fat salty tears. I want anti grav racing or the ability to go completely sideways around a corner by just tapping the brake.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »I just wish that Sega style arcade racers were back in fashion. Gran Turismo and it's devil spawn bore me to big fat salty tears. I want anti grav racing or the ability to go completely sideways around a corner by just tapping the brake.
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Burnout went all pear shaped for me after the incredible second title.
It went from a game where you avoided collisions and the focus was on racing, and traffic avoidance, with some great risk/reward mechanics.
Then it turned into an automotive smash'em up, and the series drifted, no pun intended, further and further away from the first two games.
Definitely, the first two burnout games were immense fun and I really liked in the second game that they had a separate crash mode for those who wanted to indulge in some destruction, but kept the main game true to the series.By 2012 it seemed that the smash'em up theme had infected every racing title on consoles, barring track titles, with elements of Burnout 3 and the later stuff all over, but I think Ridge Racer Unbounded jumped the shark, making a ruleset that made no real sense, not knowing what was destructible and what wasn't and changing that denotion depending on what some meter was reading.
I wanted to like ridge racer unbounded, I really did but I just found it quite tedious to play. Like you say only being able to destruct certain things and at certain points was a bit frustrating (I know that;s the way it is in most games, just wasn't fond of it in ridge racer) so I didn't invest much into it. It felt a bit like a poor mans blur, which also was fun but personally didn't find it too engaging. Split/Second is another similar one and actually enjoyable so give that a go if you haven't.What didn't help either was the conversion of the NfS series from Supercar racing to a car-modding w@nk off and now into a Burnout Paradise franchise of it's own.
At the time when NFS Underground came out it was right up my street and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I'd only ever played NFS hot pursuit 3 on an ancient windows 95 PC previously which was fantastic, but at the time I was into modified cars and loved Underground. The direct sequel, underground 2 was, personally, fantastic. I loved the open world and it had easliy accessible driving mechanics which I liked. The more recent NFS titles haven't been too bad really. I've recently played a lot of Rivals and found it to be very good. Reminds me a lot of Hot Pursuit (the one on the PS2) which again was a great game. The 2010 Hot pursuit was enjoyable too.I don't know, I find the whole racing scene on console to be boring as hell, nothing particularly new, even Forza Horizon and it's sequel are only doing what the first Test Drive Unlimited game did perfectly well, less said about the horrors of TDU2 the better.
I think it really depends on what type of racing game you're looking for on console. If you want a highway racer, you've got Tokyo highway challenge, Wangan Midnight (feels a bit rigid/sterile to play though), Import tuner challenge (an updated tokyo highway challenge for the 360) and even the fast and the furious game on the PS2. If you want a touge game there's the kaido racer series, the fantastic Battle Gear games, GRID has some touge races too. Theres also some drift games, although mainly limited to Japan like the D1 grand prix series. There's also some random import ones on the PS1 like Over drivn' Skyline memorial, Toyota Netz racing and Advan racing. Then there's also all the sim racers like forza, Gran Turismo, Enthusia and so on. TBH there's a hell of a lot out there for racing fans on console if you really want to get into it.
I've personally been stuck into forza 5 recently. The game looks glorious, runs great at 60fps and has some really nice handling. I'm also stupidly excited for Horizon 2. Absolutely loved the first one and to me felt like what TDU 2 should have been. Have it pre ordered and all.
There's the upcoming project CARS which looks very PC-sim esque if you're into that and the crew which looks like it's set to be a MMORPG type game with cars. Not my cup of tea but something different none the less.
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I'm apprehensive about that game. So many games come out now 'oh it's a mix of metal slug and a rogue-like' or it's just like a Metroid game with sprite art and are nothing like that. I won't believe it until it's released.
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