Liveline Thread 20/7/2013 to 12/10/2013

Dan Jaman

DuckHook wrote: »

Your some langer..

<perk>
Did somebody mention lager?

snubbleste

Fair play to this woman for calling in about the forgotten homeless

Harry Angstrom

neris wrote: »

I've just tuned in must be feck all happening today if that useless prick from cork is on. Can he not find a friend or get a hobby

He's got a hobby - he rings up radio programmes.

SEPT 23 1989

Some people want to live on the streets

Sittingpretty

So you're not homeless Lisbeth?

Are you or aren't you?

artful_codger

This discussion is too technical for my brain.

AK333

This sounds like a party policitical speech or from someone with an special interest

mada999 wrote: »

Heard some guy on there now, he say's he's voting yes to abolish the Seanad because there is too many politicians and tha the vote is simple. If you want to abolish the Seanad vote yes otherwise vote no. What ignorance, it's not that simple:

IF A YES VOTE WINS - Key POINTS

1 . Laws will be made if passed by the Dáil and the president. No amendments or changes can be offered up by anyone else. *** Do you want the current Government to have this power? Seanad might offer up changes, Dail does't necessarily have to accept them

2. By voting to abolish the Séanad, you also could take away the President's power to refer Money Bills(laws relating to public finances, ie. matters relating to TAXATION) to the supreme court for a decision on whether or not they are consitutional. **More Power to Government** Does that mean might/maybe/I don't know but I'm guessing?

3. The constitution currently provides the option for the president to refer bills to the people. If a yes vote is gained, THIS OPTION WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSTITUITON.
** More power for Government**

4. Currently, Ireland may adopt and implement certain EU laws and decisions and certain amendments to EU treaties ONLY if this is approved in advance by BOTH the Dáil and the Seanad.
IF A YES VOTE IS GAINED - ONLY THE APPROVAL OF THE DÁIL WILL BE REQUIRED FOR PASSING EU LAWS AND DECISIONS. **More power to Government and EU** ?

5. Currently Oireachtas has the power to pass laws for the purpose of securing
public safety and the preservation of the State in time of war or armed
rebellion. These laws may not be challenged in the Courts on the basis
that they are unconstitutional.

IF A YES VOTE IS PASSED - The Dáil alone will have the power to pass national emergency laws
and to decide a national emergency exists **YES more power the Government.

6. Currently, Judges of the Supreme Court and the High Court may be removed from office
for stated misbehaviour or incapacity only if a simple majority of the members
present and voting in each of the Dáil and Seanad pass resolutions to that effect.

IF A YES VOTE IS PASSED - The Dáil alone decides the above.

Stop scaremongering. How many Judges have been removed from office in recent times? I remember a Judge from the South West (I can't remember his name) who had committed a crime but the wrong date was on a warrant but still he couldn't be removed from Office - though I think he later resigned
Please vote no on this.

For the people will say "the Seanad does not have any power". This is TOTALLY WRONG, the fact is that members of the Seanad have tabled 529 amendments to 14 Bills that have been passed over the past two years. Also, see points 4,5 and 6 below. IT DOES HAVE POWER and that is why the Government wants to do away with it.

For the people who say, "It's a waste of Money", The Seanad costs less than €10m a year to run, not the €20m the Government suggests. Also, if they really wanted to go on costs then they should ring fence the money. Pathetic argument from the Government. €20m is less than €0.02% of the budget and it will not even kick in for another while anyway.

Please do not vote to abolish the Seanad as it is not only the Seanad you are doing away with, you are giving one chamber (The Dáil) a lot of power. This Government has pledged to reform only if we vote to abolish the Seanad, that's not fair is it ?

Remember past election promises such as "not another red cent" and "it is moraly unjust to tax a person's house" - Enda Kenny.

Sittingpretty

She left a domestic abuse situation but left her children behind?

How odd.

Dan Jaman

Doesn't sound like a barrel of laughs, to be honest.

Sligo Quay

mada999 wrote: »

you know there are consequences to removing the Seanad? Did you actually read the referendum docs?

IF A YES VOTE WINS

1 . Laws will be made if passed by the Dáil and the president. No amendments or changes can be offered up by anyone else. *** Do you want the current Government to have this power?

2. By voting to abolish the Séanad, you also could take away the President's power to refer Money Bills(laws relating to public finances, ie. matters relating to TAXATION) to the supreme court for a decision on whether or not they are consitutional. **More Power to Government**

3. The constitution currently provides the option for the president to refer bills to the people. If a yes vote is gained, THIS OPTION WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSTITUITON.
** More power for Government**

4. Currently, Ireland may adopt and implement certain EU laws and decisions and certain amendments to EU treaties ONLY if this is approved in advance by BOTH the Dáil and the Seanad.
IF A YES VOTE IS GAINED - ONLY THE APPROVAL OF THE DÁIL WILL BE REQUIRED FOR PASSING EU LAWS AND DECISIONS. **More power to Government and EU** ?

5. Currently Oireachtas has the power to pass laws for the purpose of securing
public safety and the preservation of the State in time of war or armed
rebellion. These laws may not be challenged in the Courts on the basis
that they are unconstitutional.

IF A YES VOTE IS PASSED - The Dáil alone will have the power to pass national emergency laws
and to decide a national emergency exists **YES more power the Government.

6. Currently, Judges of the Supreme Court and the High Court may be removed from office
for stated misbehaviour or incapacity only if a simple majority of the members
present and voting in each of the Dáil and Seanad pass resolutions to that effect.

IF A YES VOTE IS PASSED - The Dáil alone decides the above.

Load of rubbish, vote yes to get rid of the present corrupt setup. Then if a new reformed Seanad idea is dreamed up, then let the people decided on that, but by voting no, you are putting your trust in politicians to reform the present Seanad which is not going to happen.
After 10reform reports over 7 decades, the politicians have failed in reforming the Seanad, its now time for the people decide.

JM Skipton

Joe has left the room and one of his assistants presses a sound recording of him saying "Y" every 30 seconds

IvyTheTerrible

Dan Jaman wrote: »

Doesn't sound like a barrel of laughs, to be honest.

I'd have to agree. I have heard homeless people on the radio and they would rather sleep on the streets than go into the hostels because they are so dangerous.

Sittingpretty

Can we get back to langers PLEASE?!

DuckHook

Annnnnndd we reach the point..."where is Eliz-a-bets nama"...

JonathanAnon

Duffy:"And how much has the State spent on you in the last year"

About 100th of what they spent on you, ye smart b*stard.

snubbleste

This is depressing

HeidiHeidi

snubbleste wrote: »

This is depressing

Imagine living it then, not just listening to it:mad:

vicwatson

COLD ? Where has Duffy been eh?

JM Skipton

Bernhard a golfer from Germany is still holding on line 2 waiting to talk about "Langers"

Sittingpretty

JonathanAnon wrote: »

Duffy:"And how much has the State spent on you in the last year"

About 100th of what they spent on you, ye smart b*stard.

It would make my whole YEAR if Elizabeth had come back with that and hung up.
I would probably DIE laughing

mada999

Sligo Quay wrote: »

Load of rubbish, vote yes to get rid of the present corrupt setup. Then if a new reformed Seanad idea is dreamed up, then let the people decided on that, but by voting no, you are putting your trust in politicians to reform the present Seanad which is not going to happen.
After 10reform reports over 7 decades, the politicians have failed in reforming the Seanad, its now time for the people decide.

hahaha, did you actually read the above? it's not just about getting rid of the Seanad.

SEPT 23 1989

why is she on the streets in any ways?

DuckHook

The reason for her being there put aside... what exactly is her point..she has somewhere to live and gets money for smokes and chippers..

just me?

neris

Caller, Cinderella is about as real as joe is a socialist

IvyTheTerrible

mada999 wrote: »

hahaha, did you actually read the above? it's not just about getting rid of the Seanad.

Yeah; it was so good you posted it twice.

artful_codger

I was expecting Rolo.

An Claidheamh

A counselling course?

snubbleste

Joe seems to care

signostic

Duffy on his way home will stop his BMW when he sees a homeless person, roll down the window and inform him or her, "i gave your lot airtime today on the lavlahn"

Dan Jaman

snubbleste wrote: »

Joe seems to care

It's amazing what 400K will buy.