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    #10052
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Joe:"A medical card for the elderly is like a credit card for your health"

    Its like a credit card for your health for most people, only most people don't get one.


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    #10053
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Harry Angstrom wrote: »
    How does that prick James Reilly get away with doing stuff like this? :mad:

    700m over budget is the problem here

    Bottler should be fired


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    #10054
    Roger_007
    Registered Users Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Do people not realise that a med card is issued on the basis of financial circumstances, not on the basis of what illness you may have. :confused:


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    #10055
    ButtersSuki
    Registered Users Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    If the medical card is like a credit card Joe's will be of the platinum variety when it is issued.


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    #10056
    ButtersSuki
    Registered Users Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    I'm waiting for the FG-bashing/this wouldn't have happened under the previous administration snide comments from Joe.


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    #10057
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Do people not realise that a med card is issued on the basis of financial circumstances, not on the basis of what illness you may have. :confused:

    No, because people think they're "entitled" to it.


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    #10058
    Roger_007
    Registered Users Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    I'm waiting for Joe to ask what are her financial circumstances......waiting in vain I suppose!


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    #10059
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    700m over budget is the problem here

    Bottler should be fired

    It's the dead weight in the HSE and some of the practises within there that's the problem.


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    #10060
    Hitchens
    Registered Users Posts: 8,007 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Do people not realise that a med card is issued on the basis of financial circumstances, not on the basis of what illness you may have. :confused:

    this is up there with the old "self employed people can't claim for dole" urban myth :rolleyes:


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    #10061
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Harry Angstrom wrote: »
    How does that prick James Reilly get away with doing stuff like this? :mad:

    I have a lot of time for you, and thank most of your posts, but this sh1te is down to individual "health administrators" cutting spending, not the health minister. The HSE is a massive disorganised mess of bureaucracy. When Dr Reilly says, "you need to cut a million in spending", they dont cut pay or entitlements or paper clips, instead they take from patients and then blame "cuts".


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    #10062
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    "your medical card is...dead"


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    #10063
    Harry Angstrom
    Registered Users Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    syklops wrote: »
    I have a lot of time for you, and thank most of your posts, but this sh1te is down to individual "health administrators" cutting spending, not the health minister. The HSE is a massive disorganised mess of bureaucracy. When Dr Reilly says, "you need to cut a million in spending", they dont cut pay or entitlements or paper clips, instead they take from patients and then blame "cuts".

    The buck stops with the Minister for Health as far as I'm concerned.


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    #10064
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    syklops wrote: »
    I have a lot of time for you, and thank most of your posts, but this sh1te is down to individual "health administrators" cutting spending, not the health minister. The HSE is a massive disorganised mess of bureaucracy. When Dr Reilly says, "you need to cut a million in spending", they dont cut pay or entitlements or paper clips, instead they take from patients and then blame "cuts".
    The minister is responsible, buck stops with him!
    If the HSE is behaving in this manner, he needs to disband it and hold the administrators to account. That is what we are paying him for!


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    #10065
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    snubbleste wrote: »
    The minister is responsible, buck stops with him!
    If the HSE is behaving in this manner, he needs to disband it and hold the administrators to account. That is what we are paying him for!

    They disbanded the individual heath services to create the HSE, how many people became unemployed due to duplication, triplication etc of roles ? You can be the unions made sure there were none.


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    #10066
    Dublin_Mom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 394 ✭✭Dublin_Mom


    Guys, I am really going to stop listening to this show. I mean, to be honest, what problem do people have if they are asked to establish proof of entitlement. I think she was unlucky she was picked year after year, but you know its my tax money being spent here and I for one am glad to know that people are being asked to justify the request. Maybe its a case that during the celtic tiger years everyone just got everything with no backup documentation or whatever.
    Also I know some kids with Downs have heart issues and eye issues, but do they all? Like do they all need a medical card?


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    #10067
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    There you go, a woman whose family is directly affected blames the HSE, and not the government.


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    #10068
    Harry Angstrom
    Registered Users Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Do people not realise that a med card is issued on the basis of financial circumstances, not on the basis of what illness you may have. :confused:

    There are discretionary medical cards which are given to patients (who may not necessarily qualify for a medical card) with very serious illnesses such as cancer, which is right and proper in my opinion.


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    #10069
    ButtersSuki
    Registered Users Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    I sympathise with the plight of the majority of these people but this show needs some balance (again). Duffy is a disgrace, sensationalising pretty much everything these days whilst ignoring the facts at will and/or the individual circumstances of the caller. Next week (as predicted by a previous poster) will be war on the air with the OAPs up in arms and Joe egging them on whilst getting his Pro-FF Agenda out on the airwaves.


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    #10070
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Harry Angstrom wrote: »
    The buck stops with the Minister for Health as far as I'm concerned.
    snubbleste wrote: »
    The minister is responsible, buck stops with him!
    If the HSE is behaving in this manner, he needs to disband it and hold the administrators to account. That is what we are paying him for!


    Thats very easy to say. The buck stops at the minister but the haddington road agreement precludes health staff from facing pay cuts. So what do you propose he does?

    FF didnt just poison the chalice they crapped in it as well.


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    #10071
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Horrendous stories ? Didn't they all get back their medical cards anyway apart from this guy ?


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    #10072
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Dublin_Mom wrote: »
    Guys, I am really going to stop listening to this show. I mean, to be honest, what problem do people have if they are asked to establish proof of entitlement. I think she was unlucky she was picked year after year, but you know its my tax money being spent here and I for one am glad to know that people are being asked to justify the request. Maybe its a case that during the celtic tiger years everyone just got everything with no backup documentation or whatever.
    Also I know some kids with Downs have heart issues and eye issues, but do they all? Like do they all need a medical card?

    Did you hear larry about a fortnight ago? I was ready to hit someone after that call.


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    #10073
    ButtersSuki
    Registered Users Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    And the Pro-FF mantra has started.....


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    #10074
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    There you go, a woman whose family is directly affected blames the HSE, and not the government.
    Is the HSE a government body? Yes
    Is the HSE acting on behalf of the government? Yes
    Is the HSE accountable to the government? Yes


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    #10075
    artful_codger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭artful_codger


    Dublin_Mom wrote: »
    glad to know that people are being asked to justify the request

    The snowflake never thinks it's responsible for the avalanche.


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    #10076
    ButtersSuki
    Registered Users Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    syklops wrote: »
    Did you hear larry about a fortnight ago? I was ready to hit someone after that call.

    Nope, was on holidays. Brief synopsis?


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    #10077
    Harry Angstrom
    Registered Users Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭Harry Angstrom


    syklops wrote: »
    Thats very easy to say. The buck stops at the minister but the haddington road agreement precludes health staff from facing pay cuts. So what do you propose he does?

    FF didnt just poison the chalice they crapped in it as well.

    So you're excusing the Minister for Health for adopting a Pontius Pilate approach and washing his hands of it all?


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    #10078
    Roger_007
    Registered Users Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    This couples income is over €60,000. What exactly is his complaint exactly?


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    #10079
    JonathanAnon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,718 ✭✭✭✭JonathanAnon


    The contempt Joe has for the State, given how much they shovel in to his account, is nothing short of astounding... All that money that is being wasted that he is giving out about, all comes from the same pot that he's taking his 250K out of ...


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    #10080
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    and what about the 160.00 TAX on every house in the country to pay your wages?????????

    arseh0le:mad:


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    #10081
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Is the HSE a government body? Yes
    Is the HSE acting on behalf of the government? Yes
    Is the HSE accountable to the government? Yes

    The HSE is a state body, not a government one. As to if the HSE is accountable to the government, not really in my opinion.


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