Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

.jacksparrow.

Marty McFly wrote: »

Do you ever read the thread? I posted that as bout half an hour ago.

She also said bring back Dein and let Usmanov on the board.

Well sorry!

liam7831

We need to go for Rooney, Utd would sell to us

EuropeanSon

liam7831 wrote: »

We need to go for Rooney, Utd would sell to us

Maybe, but would he come to us?

gosplan

tayto lover wrote: »

Well it's either that or he lacks the ability to spend money.
Has to be one of them. We are told he spends all his time watching videos of games and spotting talent.

I think you've hit the nail on the head.

Wenger is in one way awesome at transfers and in another way totally rubbish.

The awesome way suited our past but the rubbish way is jeopardising our future.

What I mean is he's great at uncovering talent. Scouting network, contacts etc find him an unknown, sign him for peanuts, turn him into a world beater. He was brilliant at this. O.K. there were the Bendtners but overall he did it very well. However, you wouldn't know if his system would throw up a left back or a striker or a midfielder he'd turn into a defender.

But, if you say 'Arsne you've a week to find a CB', his meticulous transfer system has to be bypassed and he's likely to come up with a Squillaci or Silvestre.

His way of doing things kind of made sense cause we never had the money to match the quality of player we needed so he was always looking for a 5-10 million player that could play like a 20-30 million player. In fairness, he did this well.

But now what we need are good players regardless of cost and we seem paralysed by his fear of misstepping in the transfer market. This is all assumption but I think he must be too focused on value rather then on just plugging the holes in the team.

But it's grossly unfair to say he lacks ambition. He might just lack the ability to do what needs to be done. Wenger has been the best possible manager for us over the last 2 decades but unless he learns some new tricks, he won't be the man to take us forward.

He's gotten us to the point where we just need a good manager who can sign the necessary players and motivate then to play well.

A good analogy is Fergie. Fergie didn't so much give a sh1t about overspending, what he was terrified of was losing.

When City jacked up the Berbstov price from Spurs, Fergie had a fit but he paid. He overpaid and Berbatov ended up 3rd/4th choice but he was a 3rd/4th choice who managed to get top goal scorer by hammering the weaker teams for a year.

Wenger would have walked away from that once he deemed it to be overspending.

I don't think this equates to lacking ambition though, just needing better direction.

I would love so much to see him turn this around, though he is fast running out of time.

All this said there is a big fear in the back of my mind that our owners wil turn out to be sh1t.

Looper007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbY21k0BrUo

Good listen especially the fight between Arsenal fans which is a little bit sad to hear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5qDYo50XTo

Sexy Woman Arsenal fan with her Dad talk yesterdays game.

liam7831

Think he would, Utd defo wont sell to Chelsea so were his only option, his reaction to RVP goal yesterday means he cant be very positive for dressing room

Looper007

EuropeanSon wrote: »

Maybe, but would he come to us?

If we sign A Fellaini, a Freat GK and Top CB, maybe he will. He wants a new challemage we hear so it very much so be at Arsenal right now.

gosplan

Gringo180 wrote: »

Why did David Dein leave the club lads?

He tried to get in sugar daddies. One was Kronke, the other was Usmanov to whom he sold his shares.

In fairness, he looked at the Abramovich and Chelsea and said 'we'll need one of them'.

Marty McFly

Gringo180 wrote: »

Why did David Dein leave the club lads?

Because get wanted red holdings in which is led by Usmanov and the board chose Kroenke.

WoollyRedHat

Potential targets

According to The Independent, Arsenenal have enquired about Michu. They have been told he will be £25m

Also the Mirror linking us with renenwed interest of Lars Bender with an increased bid

If we got them, plus Begovic, and Micah Richards/ Ginter / Gamez, and perhaps a winger... then that would be very good business indeed.

15 for Begovic, 25 for Mich, another 25 or so for Bender, and then perhaps Ginterr for around 12 million, that's 77 million pounds altogether...

Looper007

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Potential targets

According to The Independent, Arsenenal have enquired about Michu. They have been told he will be £25m

Also the Mirror linking us with renenwed interest of Lars Bender with an increased bid

If we got them, plus Begovic, and Micah Richards/ Ginter / Gamez, and perhaps a winger... then that would be very good business indeed.

15 for Begovic, 25 for Mich, another 25 or so for Bender, and then perhaps Ginterr for around 12 million, that's 77 million pounds altogether...

Would be perfect business. You should be Arsenal manager Woolly do you fancy it :pac:. I can't see Wenger paying 25 million for Michu, he probably 7 million or something.

WoollyRedHat

Looper007 wrote: »

Would be perfect business. You should be Arsenal manager Woolly do you fancy it :pac:. I can't see Wenger paying 25 million for Michu, he probably 7 million or something.

I'd rather scout, lots of travel, grand job. Although if Wenger needed an assistant, I couldn't pass it up.


Yeah, Laudrup won't budge on price though, and 25 million seems right for a player of Michu's quality. And he has premier league experience.. no adjustment neccesary.

What wingers would be a good shout? Defintely think that should be looked at.

Pudders

tayto lover wrote: »

Can anyone really come up with a genuine reason why we didn't sign anyone of note to date?

A real genuine reason now not the we bid 40 million for Suarez shyte that keeps being posted. That was a non-runner from the start and even then when Henry came out and said we won't be selling to a rival we didn't chase any other player and actually make a bid for them.

The Higuain and Suarez chase was a smokescreen for the fans in my opinion to make them believe we were actually in the market when we weren't. Even at that we didn't strengthen in other areas of the team. I can't understand why or who is at fault.

So a genuine good reason lads please because it certainly has me beat..

Absolutely spot on. Let's pretend to try and get strikers when we are screaming out at the back and defensive midfielder.

At the match yesterday I fear for the champions league. The fans got on the back of the team early on. It's a **** show.

gandalf

The Arsenal Supporters Trust has issued a statement saying Wenger should not be offered another contract unless there is a "Considerable improvement".

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23750387

Marty McFly

A very good read

http://89thminute.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/the-end-is-near-arsene-or-is-it/

CastingCouch

If Swansea look for 25m for Michu ye'd be better off going for Benteke for 20m

Gringo180

gandalf wrote: »

The Arsenal Supporters Trust has issued a statement saying Wenger should not be offered another contract unless there is a "Considerable improvement".

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23750387

Proper order.

liam7831

Lads none of those fellas will win the champions league or premiership, we need to think big we need to think ROOOONEY

.jacksparrow.

Spurs close to signing willian, why weren't we in for him?

Soups123

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Spurs close to signing willian, why weren't we in for him?

He costs money

.jacksparrow.

Mirror saying ox could be out for 6 months, could this weekend get any worst.

FearDark

Tried to put things into perspective today but it looks so bad I can't take any positives from it. Who can we even sign before Sept 2nd? Its bleak.

gnfnrhead

Michu isnt worth that kind of money after only one season. He could easily be a one season wonder.

extra gravy

People saying that we need back up for Per... Is there anyone else who thinks that he's the one that should be the back up? He's a decent likeable player but the PL is too fast paced for him and he lacks the class that the likes of Vidic and Kompany possess. I don't think we will come close to challenging for anything until Kos gets a top class partner and Chesney is dropped and mentored by a better, experienced GK.

Gringo180

So what can we expect now away v Fenerbache in terms of team selection? Podolski could be playing left back, if you didnt laugh you would cry.

Knex*

I don't think Michu at that price is smart money, I really don't. And if a regular footballing fan thinks that, you can almost put your house on it that the Arsenal board will be of the same thought.

Would be shocked if ye paid that kind of money for him.

As for Bender, although I don't see either him wanting to leave Dortmund, or Dortmund willing to sell, enough money thrown at the deal in terms of transfer fee and wages and its likely that neither club nor player could say no.

jester77

Michu, Benteke :-( ... sorry but that is pure panic talk. I'd rather play Bendtner than pay out the silly prices being quoted for them.

pandaboy

Can't see the club paying 25m for Michu, we got Cazorla for half that price (which was a bargain, almost on par with Spurs' coup for VDV). I'm surprised there hasn't been much mention of Eredivisie players, I saw Eriksson being bandied about, great player and will get better but I feel he's Bundesliga bound in the next season or so. Alderweireld would be a great acquisition to the squad, a strong player in the same mould as Verms.

Micah Richards would be a handy buy also, I wonder could he be utilised in DM as well? Begovic, well can't really argue with that.

Also, attacking wise, Montpellier have got some great players. Can't believe there's been feck all action from Ligue 1 this season's transfer window (with the exception of the Kinnearies)

gosplan

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Spurs close to signing willian, why weren't we in for him?

Is he not a left winger??

While I'm all for spending the money. If we have 70 million then blowing half of it on a left winger would be nuts.

brianregan09

extra gravy wrote: »

People saying that we need back up for Per... Is there anyone else who thinks that he's the one that should be the back up? He's a decent likeable player but the PL is too fast paced for him and he lacks the class that the likes of Vidic and Kompany possess. I don't think we will come close to challenging for anything until Kos gets a top class partner and Chesney is dropped and mentored by a better, experienced GK.

I've been saying this for ages, Mertezacker came from a Werder Bremen (the everton of the bundesliga in my eyes, He's good but put him next to Terry,Luiz, Kompany,Lescott, Nastasic, Vidic, Ferdinand and Verthongen (all of the other top 5 teams centre backs and he'd rank somewhere near the bottom of the lot , As you said he'd be great to slot in as a back up for a game or two, He's nowhere near good enough for the cut and thrust of the prem, Kosser is alot better than him, But as you saw yesterday penalty or no penalty he was the cause of both them , so i'd be bringing in two top CBs

Although as Barcelona found out this season its not as easy as that , And i don't think Ashley williams of swansea will cut it either he was practilly rode by RVP and Wellbeck yesterday against United

.jacksparrow.

gosplan wrote: »

Is he not a left winger??

While I'm all for spending the money. If we have 70 million then blowing half of it on a left winger would be nuts.

Why who do we have at left wing who is doing better?

tayto lover

A leopard never changes it's spots.
It will be a few cheap unknowns and the rot will continue.
If it takes a few bad injuries to change direction then why hasn't that worked before?
Start praying lads.

Imagine where we would have been if we had done all the business that needed doing 2 months ago.
Criminal management and nothing less.

brianregan09

Willian would be a massive improvement on Podolski or Rosicky , I'd have Carzorla through the middle he's alot more affective there

speedboatchase

Can anyone decipher Arsene's Eiffel Tower quote??

"Even if you go on the Eiffel Tower and you throw the money away,you have to play with the players you have"

...umm, what?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenal-arsene-wenger-warns-dangerous-2182610

gosplan

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Why who do we have at left wing who is doing better?

That's not my point.

But OK. Assume the budget is 70 million. Now you've 35-40 left.

Who are the essential CF, DMF and CB you're going to get?

WoollyRedHat

Knex. wrote: »

I don't think Michu at that price is smart money, I really don't. And if a regular footballing fan thinks that, you can almost put your house on it that the Arsenal board will be of the same thought.

Would be shocked if ye paid that kind of money for him.

As for Bender, although I don't see either him wanting to leave Dortmund, or Dortmund willing to sell, enough money thrown at the deal in terms of transfer fee and wages and its likely that neither club nor player could say no.

He's actually playing for Leverskusen,. if he was a Dortmund player, he'd be considerably harderto get him.

Story here:http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-transfers-new-lars-bender-2178482

In terms of strikers, Leverskusen had the highest scorer in the Bundesliga last season in Stefan Kiessling.. double bid perchance? Say 50 for the two of them.

Knex*

brianregan09 wrote: »

Willian would be a massive improvement on Podolski or Rosicky , I'd have Carzorla through the middle he's alot more affective there

Eriksen for half the price or less and then keep the money to invest on the likes of Bender and a CF might make more sense.

WoollyRedHat

speedboatchase wrote: »

Can anyone decipher Arsene's Eiffel Tower quote??

"Even if you go on the Eiffel Tower and you throw the money away,you have to play with the players you have"

...umm, what?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenal-arsene-wenger-warns-dangerous-2182610

Can't make head or tails of that.

speedboatchase

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

He's actually playing for Leverskusen,. if he was a Dortmund player, he'd be considerably harderto get him.

Story here:http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-transfers-new-lars-bender-2178482

In terms of strikers, Leverskusen had the highest scorer in the Bundesliga last season in Stefan Kiessling.. double bid perchance? Say 50 for the two of them.

Kiessling signed a new deal 3 weeks ago.

brianregan09

As good as we are at getting rid of players we can't seem to shake Bendtner

As for Bender they better go in properly and get it done it fast and quickly and show they mean business if there to have any hope of getting in anymore players, they need to make a statment now or **** off

extra gravy

speedboatchase wrote: »

Can anyone decipher Arsene's Eiffel Tower quote??

"Even if you go on the Eiffel Tower and you throw the money away,you have to play with the players you have"

...umm, what?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenal-arsene-wenger-warns-dangerous-2182610

Who knows, maybe it makes sense in his own head. Really fcuking tired of him spouting crap like this, want to see action not meaningless words.

gosplan

Knex. wrote: »

I don't think Michu at that price is smart money, I really don't. And if a regular footballing fan thinks that, you can almost put your house on it that the Arsenal board will be of the same thought.

Would be shocked if ye paid that kind of money for him.

As for Bender, although I don't see either him wanting to leave Dortmund, or Dortmund willing to sell, enough money thrown at the deal in terms of transfer fee and wages and its likely that neither club nor player could say no.

Very true. We should at this point just stop with the bullsh1t

Sign Ginter. Then pay the 70/80 million it will take to get Bender and either of Rooney/Suarez

Knex*

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

He's actually playing for Leverskusen,. if he was a Dortmund player, he'd be considerably harderto get him.

Story here:http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/arsenal-transfers-new-lars-bender-2178482

In terms of strikers, Leverskusen had the highest scorer in the Bundesliga last season in Stefan Kiessling.. double bid perchance? Say 50 for the two of them.

My bad. Thought it was Sven Bender ye were linked with.

No hope on Kiebling I would think. Signed a new contract this summer I'm sure and at 29 wouldn't be worth hitting the 25m mark it would need to make Leverkusen let him go.

Drexel

extra gravy wrote: »

Who knows, maybe it makes sense in his own head. Really fcuking tired of him spouting crap like this, want to see action not meaningless words.

People throw money off the tower and make a wish. He is saying it doesn't matter what we do(or wish we could do) we can't change players for the CL qualifier

tayto lover

This is starting to get funny if it wasn't already desperate.

Lads NO WAY will there be anything resembling 70 million spent. This is Arsenal.

tayto lover

jonny666 wrote: »

People throw money off the tower and make a wish. He is saying it doesn't matter what we do(or wish we could do) we can't change players for the CL qualifier

and whose fault is that then?

Gringo180

jonny666 wrote: »

People throw money off the tower and make a wish. He is saying it doesn't matter what we do(or wish we could do) we can't change players for the CL qualifier

Thats the managers fault tho??

Drexel

tayto lover wrote: »

and whose fault is that then?

Its wengers. He took a massive gamble and it back fired.

Not too hopefully of signing any of the player being talked about. Maybe Ashley Williams. We will make signings but reckon we won't be happy with them!!

Gringo180

The team needs more than 70 million worth of surgery to make us title challengers again thats how deep the neglect has been to the club. Look at our players, we have no truely top class players bar Cazorla and maybe Wilshere? As I said how many of our starting XI get into say Utd or Chelsea's team?? Very few

Looper007

tayto lover wrote: »

This is starting to get funny if it wasn't already desperate.

Lads NO WAY will there be anything resembling 70 million spent. This is Arsenal.

This is Arsene. You got it all wrong.