Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

speedboatchase

brianregan09 wrote: »

As an Arsenal fan I would be over the moon if we'd have gotten the players Spurs signed this year its crazy to think otherwise

Soldado is a fantastic striker, Paulinho was one of brazils best midfielders in the confed cup, Willian has been unreal any time i've seen Shaktar playing him and fernandinho always stood out for them, Chadli to be fair i've never heard of before the summer
Capoue looks good too and as for Lamela 21 year old right winger great player aswell yeah any arsenal fan that says these wouldn't have fit straight into our squad and massively strengthened it is delusional

Absolutely. It's deluded thinking to keep up the 'patience' line for Wenger loyalists.

Whether the signings work out or not, Spurs have prepared for the Bale exit by re-investing his fee into upgrades all over the pitch. By comparison, we have never replaced selling Fabregas, RVP, Nasri or Song in any meaningful way, or at all in the case of the latter, and simply banked the majority of the fees. No ambition as long as we stumble our way to 4th.

EuropeanSon

brianregan09 wrote: »

As an Arsenal fan I would be over the moon if we'd have gotten the players Spurs signed this year its crazy to think otherwise

Soldado is a fantastic striker, Paulinho was one of brazils best midfielders in the confed cup, Willian has been unreal any time i've seen Shaktar playing him and fernandinho always stood out for them, Chadli to be fair i've never heard of before the summer
Capoue looks good too and as for Lamela 21 year old right winger great player aswell yeah any arsenal fan that says these wouldn't have fit straight into our squad and massively strengthened it is delusional

I don't think a single one of those signings (except perhaps Willian, but I don't know enough to say) would definitely make our first team. Soldado strikes me as a very similar calibre of signing to Giroud. Sure it would've strengthened our squad, but I have to assume we wanted better than that.

Seeing Shakhtar a half dozen times, Paulinho a few times, and reading stats about the others and hearing their names occasionally and then saying they "look good" are a "great player" or are a "fantastic striker" does not make a valid argument for signing them. This isn't football manager.

batistuta9

i'd take Lamela & Willian two players they haven't even signed yet

paulino = 50/50, did arsenal need someone like him then?

soldado @ £26mil = no

capoue, not as good as reported apparently, could've been sign if arsenal wanted = no

chadli = ?

brianregan09

But the point is the squad forget about the 1st team for a moment

Is Bendtner better than Soldado ?

Is Frimpong better than Paulinho ?

Podolski or Rosicky better than Willian ?

Coqelin better than Capoue

i'm not sure who's our backup to walcott (ramsey out of position) is not better than Lamela

You'll find a lot of no's in those questions thats why i think its ludicris to think we don't need those players

danlen

brianregan09 wrote: »

But the point is the squad forget about the 1st team for a moment

Is Bendtner better than Soldado ?

Is Frimpong better than Paulinho ?

Podolski or Rosicky better than Willian ?

Coqelin better than Capoue

i'm not sure who's our backup to walcott (ramsey out of position) is not better than Lamela

You'll find a lot of no's in those questions thats why i think its ludicris to think we don't need those players

Ridiculously unfair comparison.

brianregan09

Ridiculous ya but thats the current options in our squad ? I did say outside the 1st team did i not,

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

EuropeanSon wrote: »

I don't think a single one of those signings (except perhaps Willian, but I don't know enough to say) would definitely make our first team. Soldado strikes me as a very similar calibre of signing to Giroud. Sure it would've strengthened our squad, but I have to assume we wanted better than that.

Seeing Shakhtar a half dozen times, Paulinho a few times, and reading stats about the others and hearing their names occasionally and then saying they "look good" are a "great player" or are a "fantastic striker" does not make a valid argument for signing them. This isn't football manager.

Have you seen enough of those players play to make that statement? Otherwise you're invalidating their arguments using the same basis that those other people have used, despite it being the reason that you're invalidating their arguments?:P

EuropeanSon

THFC wrote: »

Have you seen enough of those players play to make that statement? Otherwise you're invalidating their arguments using the same basis that those other people have used, despite it being the reason that you're invalidating their arguments?:P

Note the differences: I'm not saying they definitely wouldn't make our first team, I'm saying they wouldn't definitely make our first team. The former question is not one I am equipped to answer, as you say.

mike65

Does anyone think the Spurs will now start a superthread on the "soccer" forum now they are Billy Big Boots?

Just reading Henry Winter's column today i think he is correct on a few things. I think we needed a football man in alongside Wenger and not to undermine him but to challenge him on certain issues.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/10253548/Arsenal-manager-Arsene-Wenger-must-get-tough-in-the-transfer-market-or-else-admit-that-he-needs-assistance.html

I feel myself that a director of football should have been hired at the time of Dein's departure. Patrick Vieira for example would have been ideal and still would be if we could tug his heart strings in some way. Its criminal to see him work at City. Vieira is vocal and not afraid to challenge the old order when he feels things arent as they should be. Whats going on is a great big groupthink phenomenon where you have a clique or circle in unilateral agreement (i suppose you could include Arsene in that) and everyone seems to be ignoring the elephant in the room to the great detriment of the club. There is no point being in the Championship with a pile of cash and if Arsenal continue to bury their head in the sand with regards to recruitment then thats exactly where they will be.

batistuta9

brianregan09 wrote: »

Ridiculous ya but thats the current options in our squad ? I did say outside the 1st team did i not,

that'd mean spending 52mil on 3 players (leaving willian out) to perhaps sit on the bench

arsenal need to sign players that would be in the first 11 week in week out no questions asked, with what's there now dropping down to the bench

would capoue replace arteta = no
would paulinho replace wilshere = no, ramsey = ?
would soldado replace giroud = maybe, is he that much of an upgrade though?

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

mike65 wrote: »

Does anyone think the Spurs will now start a superthread on the "soccer" forum now they are Billy Big Boots?

Why would we bother? We'll just take Liverpool's;)

batistuta9

THFC wrote: »

Why would we bother? We'll just take Liverpool's;)

replace a thread where people look back on the glory years of the '80's with ones who look back to the glory years of '51 & '61

replace fans who always finish behind their most hated rivals with ones who always finish behind their most hated rivals

you could be on to something there you wouldn't barely notice a thing had changed :pac:

brianregan09

batistuta9 wrote: »

that'd mean spending 52mil on 3 players (leaving willian out) to perhaps sit on the bench

arsenal need to sign players that would be in the first 11 week in week out no questions asked, with what's there now dropping down to the bench

would capoue replace arteta = no
would paulinho replace wilshere = no, ramsey = ?
would soldado replace giroud = maybe, is he that much of an upgrade though?

We're here all summer talking about winning the title, Look at Man City and Chelsea they could probaly field 2 teams capable of challenging for the title, we can barely field one, so yeah 52 mil on those 3 players who will challenge the 1st `11 would be a great start

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

batistuta9 wrote: »

replace a thread where people look back on the glory years of the '80's with ones who look back to the glory years of '51 & '61

replace fans who always finish behind their most hated rivals with ones who always finish behind their most hated rivals

you could be on to something there you wouldn't barely notice a thing had changed :pac:

Meh, we'll see sure. I've no hatred for Arsenal, if you're Irish I don't see why you would.

Anyway, I fear I've over-stayed my welcome (?), apologies again for the OT talk. I'm out.

bad2dabone

mike65 wrote: »

Does anyone think the Spurs will now start a superthread on the "soccer" forum now they are Billy Big Boots?

well they do seem ready to mix it up with the big boys.....

danlen

brianregan09 wrote: »

Ridiculous ya but thats the current options in our squad ? I did say outside the 1st team did i not,

What I was getting at was basically this....

batistuta9 wrote: »

that'd mean spending 52mil on 3 players (leaving willian out) to perhaps sit on the bench

arsenal need to sign players that would be in the first 11 week in week out no questions asked, with what's there now dropping down to the bench

would capoue replace arteta = no
would paulinho replace wilshere = no, ramsey = ?
would soldado replace giroud = maybe, is he that much of an upgrade though?

wandatowell

THFC wrote: »

Meh, we'll see sure. I've no hatred for Arsenal, if you're Irish I don't see why you would.

Anyway, I fear I've over-stayed my welcome (?), apologies again for the OT talk. I'm out.

Not at all, Im very interested in Spurs' fans perspective on both NLD teams, especially all the activity or lack of during the transfer window.

Tbh I never bothered with the NLD rivalry thing. Truth was we usually beat ye and for a long time Spurs were pretty much stagnant with all the chopping and change at the manager position. But in the last 2-3 years I've grown to (with respect) hate ye. Obviously due to ye're growing threat and Michael Dawson.


I'd like ye a lot more if ye started being sh*t again

kronsington

i think spurs have bought brilliantly this summer, and last summer too for that matter. I think most of their signings would get in or at least strongly challenge to get into our first team.

Lloris > Scez
Vertonghen > TV/Per
Holtby- as good if not better than ramsey
Dembele- diddo

Paulinho- haven't seen much of him but highly rated established international
Capoue- versatile dm who can play cb- would have been ideal for us
Soldado- prolific striker who would have been realistic target for us

Willian (possibly)- could be a superstar for them ala cazorla for us.
to suggest none or some of these players aren't good enough to make our first team is nonsense imo

the untitled user

Spurs will be an interesting club to watch over the next few years. They are about to embark on building a new stadium themselves. It'll be interesting to see how they get on. And whether they will encounter the same difficulties we did.

One thing that has me curious is how they will finance it, because to my eyes they can't currently. I get the feeling somehow that Levy is banking on getting back into the CL and growing commercial revenues on the back of it before signing anything in relation to the stadium. I get the feeling he's watched us struggle under weight of the bonds on the Emirates and is looking for a different route.

Corvo

the untitled user wrote: »

Spurs will be an interesting club to watch over the next few years. They are about to embark on building a new stadium themselves. It'll be interesting to see how they get on. And whether they will encounter the same difficulties we did.

One thing that has me curious is how they will finance it, because to my eyes they can't currently. I get the feeling somehow that Levy is banking on getting back into the CL and growing commercial revenues on the back of it before signing anything in relation to the stadium. I get the feeling he's watched us struggle under weight of the bonds on the Emirates and is looking for a different route.

Like feck he will.

He will probably get a ground included in a deal for Gylfi Sigurdsson.

batistuta9

THFC wrote: »

Meh, we'll see sure. I've no hatred for Arsenal, if you're Irish I don't see why you would.

Anyway, I fear I've over-stayed my welcome (?), apologies again for the OT talk. I'm out.

i wasn't trying to be hateful just making a joke, don't leave on my behalf

AdamD

David Ornstein ‏@bbcsport_david 2m
Spoken to reps of PSG CB Sakho - say Barca, Milan, Arsenal & Tottenham have contacted to express interest. €12m fee, €6m salary #bbcfootball
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David Ornstein ‏@bbcsport_david 4m
Arsenal contact from Gazidis, Spurs from Freund. Not followed up yet but Sakho camp want to meet all parties before decision #bbcfootball

tayto lover

Just read Jamie Carragher's comments on Arsene Wenger and his bid for Cabaye. Have to agree with him on the following bit -

"I think if Arsene Wenger has a valuation in his head he won't go above it. He'll never overspend and I look at Arsenal sometimes and think there's only one section of people at the club who are overspending - the supporters!

speedboatchase

Some new Wenger quotes. He just doesn't seem to understand the fans' anger:

@RobHarris: Wenger on Cabaye/NUFC: "You can't reproach us on one side for not buying & yet on the other side when we try to buy to reproach us as well"

@RobHarris: Wenger: "We have been very successful with transfers - if you look at the players who play tomorrow, they are top quality players"

@RobHarris: Wenger: "It is not always to think what is outside is better than what you have ... and our fans have to understand that"

@RobHarris: Wenger on transfers: "It is quite amazing that all of the people don't know & yet they always have opinions about things they don't know"

batistuta9

brianregan09 wrote: »

We're here all summer talking about winning the title, Look at Man City and Chelsea they could probaly field 2 teams capable of challenging for the title, we can barely field one, so yeah 52 mil on those 3 players who will challenge the 1st `11 would be a great start

and them two clubs have enough money to reach the moon, they can afford to have 25mil players on the bench

the talk from people about winning the title was if 3/4 quality players were signed, not players around the same level or marginally better like tottenham have bought

none of what they've bought are on the level of the players arsenal have went after
if arsenal had signed the players tottenham have they suddenly start challenging for the title would they?

tayto lover

So how many players do you think we will buy lads?
I would say 2 at most. We just don't like spending and all that crap about difficulties finding targets is just stingyness talking in my view. I don't believe the "Chamberlain will be back in 6 weeks" either. That injury looked serious. It reminds me of our previous injured who were coming back in a month but that month grew to almost a year in Vermaillion's case not to mention Jack's injury.

Buying time and another excuse not to buy a player.

I will take all that back and apologize if Ox is back in 6 weeks but I am basing my opinion on history.

Let's hope we get a result tomorrow and again on Saturday and that we spend some money to strengthen because there will be other bad Saturday's when we will end up with players out in the future.
I think this is an all-time-low after the expectations fueled by Galzidas statements and promises but with a few victories under our belts we can overcome it.

gandalf

If the quotes above are accurate then Wenger is living in an alternative reality and we are well and truely buggered!

Alfred Borden

Wenger: "A squad has to have the right number... We will have the right balance when the market closes, don't worry."”

cson

AdamD wrote: »

David Ornstein ‏@bbcsport_david 2m
Spoken to reps of PSG CB Sakho - say Barca, Milan, Arsenal & Tottenham have contacted to express interest. €12m fee, €6m salary #bbcfootball
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David Ornstein ‏@bbcsport_david 4m
Arsenal contact from Gazidis, Spurs from Freund. Not followed up yet but Sakho camp want to meet all parties before decision #bbcfootball

Sakho would start for us with Koscielny imo.

FearDark

Wenger is a doddery ould fool out of touch with what it takes to create a team capable of winning things anymore.

tayto lover

Raf32 wrote: »

Wenger: "A squad has to have the right number... We will have the right balance when the market closes, don't worry."”

I think it's the Bank balance he's talking about as usual

Marty McFly

speedboatchase wrote: »

Some new Wenger quotes. He just doesn't seem to understand the fans' anger:

@RobHarris: Wenger on Cabaye/NUFC: "You can't reproach us on one side for not buying & yet on the other side when we try to buy to reproach us as well"

@RobHarris: Wenger: "We have been very successful with transfers - if you look at the players who play tomorrow, they are top quality players"

@RobHarris: Wenger: "It is not always to think what is outside is better than what you have ... and our fans have to understand that"

@RobHarris: Wenger on transfers: "It is quite amazing that all of the people don't know & yet they always have opinions about things they don't know"

I seen said quotes but I'll wait till I see it in full it can be very easy to manipulate with snippets.


I seen another post that said Dembele and Holtby would get into our starting eleven, get a grip. Over who, because no way they would be ahead of Arteta, Wilshere or Cazorla.

Probably right on Loris and Vertonghen though but sure he wasnt up for a challenge and signed for Spurs.

gandalf

gandalf wrote: »

If the quotes above are accurate then Wenger is living in an alternative reality and we are well and truely buggered!

I've defended Wenger but those comments are just outrageous to say the least.

tayto lover

Deleted User wrote: »

I've defended Wenger but those comments are just outrageous to say the least.

The third one down is very worrying if we expect new players.

FearDark

Lost cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCvWtpPi_Xw

sonic85

tayto lover wrote: »

So how many players do you think we will buy lads?
I would say 2 at most.

I think two at most and neither will be top quality - just meh middle of the road signings to fill out the squad.

everybody wants top quality to improve the first team but then were linked with cabaye for 20 million? good player yeah but most definitely not world class and not worth 20 million. hardly a statement of intent.

one thing is for sure the next two weeks or so will be very interesting

speedboatchase

FearDark wrote: »

Lost cause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCvWtpPi_Xw

These angry press conferences and attacks on the media for asking perfectly reasonable questions about our transfer policy this summer are just getting embarrassing.

danlen

speedboatchase wrote: »

These angry press conferences and attacks on the media for asking perfectly reasonable questions about our transfer policy this summer are just getting embarrassing.

I'd hardly call that an attack on the media now! He simply said that there are many people slating the club when they don't know what has gone on. Regardless of what has actually gone on (prob not a lot to be fair) it doesn't come across as all that much of an angry attack.

brianregan09

batistuta9 wrote: »

and them two clubs have enough money to reach the moon, they can afford to have 25mil players on the bench

the talk from people about winning the title was if 3/4 quality players were signed, not players around the same level or marginally better like tottenham have bought

none of what they've bought are on the level of the players arsenal have went after
if arsenal had signed the players tottenham have they suddenly start challenging for the title would they?

but sure if thats the case we might aswell not try at all

and yeah i do think with those players spurs signed we'd have a fantastic chance of challenging for the title alot better than the chance we have now which is a snowballs chance in hell becuase we have a lot better starting 11 than spurs with those players added in

Oranage2

I would love sakho, but with barca interested and his 6m euro a year contract I won't be getting my hopes up.

Mickeroo

Sakho won't come here if those other clubs are in for him.

Very worrying comments from Wenger though.

Wouldn't usually read biographies of footballers or managers since they don't lead very interesting lives imo but I'll read Wenger's if he ever does one after he retires. For no other reason than to find out what the hell is going on at the club at the moment.

speedboatchase

Mickeroo wrote: »

Sakho won't come here if those other clubs are in for him.

Very worrying comments from Wenger though.

Wouldn't usually read biographies of footballers or managers since they don't lead very interesting lives imo but I'll read Wenger's if he ever does one after he retires. For no other reason than to find out what the hell is going on at the club at the moment.

It'd probably be horrendously overpriced though.

greendom

Lyon 2 - 0 down at home to Real Sociedad; looks like they'll be going out of the Champions League; the likes of Grenier and Gonalons could be on the cards

Radharc na Sleibhte

Raf32 wrote: »

Wenger: "A squad has to have the right number... We will have the right balance when the market closes, don't worry."”

Yay, balance.

speedboatchase

greendom wrote: »

Lyon 2 - 0 down at home to Real Sociedad; looks like they'll be going out of the Champions League; the likes of Grenier and Gonalons could be on the cards

Delighted for Vela.

Mickeroo

greendom wrote: »

Lyon 2 - 0 down at home to Real Sociedad; looks like they'll be going out of the Champions League; the likes of Grenier and Gonalons could be on the cards

Grenier just signed a new contract, doubt he would be available.

tayto lover

danlen wrote: »

I'd hardly call that an attack on the media now! He simply said that there are many people slating the club when they don't know what has gone on. Regardless of what has actually gone on (prob not a lot to be fair) it doesn't come across as all that much of an angry attack.

Wenger has got very irritable. I think it's because he has been caught out. He made a howler in not buying early and can't take it now. he has been found out by the media and he's angry at that.

Man the fcuk up Arsene, admit your mistakes and get on with rectifying them.

Marty McFly

So Chamberlain tweeted he hopes to be back in 3 months hours after Wenger said it would be 6 weeks.


There is a constant flow of lies from the club and Wenger it needs to stop.

wonga77

greendom wrote: »

Lyon 2 - 0 down at home to Real Sociedad; looks like they'll be going out of the Champions League; the likes of Grenier and Gonalons could be on the cards

Would they not be cup tied?