Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

ronjo

niallo27 wrote: »

What would be funny is if arsenal spent the 50 million and he turned out ****e again like torres.

the sweet taste of bitterness...

cson

ronjo wrote: »

the sweet taste of bitterness...

Pepe LeFrits

I wouldn't be rubbing it in fellas, we know all too well how it feels.

jester77

bad2dabone wrote: »

i'm sure he's working on it, we weren't linked for Lars Bender until the bid was rejected. I'm certain there are more dealings going on behind closed doors than just the Suarez saga.

Hopefully the whole transfer budget is splurged on Suarez. If Arsenal spend what Liverpool are looking for then there won't be much left to bring in a quality player.

cson

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

I wouldn't be rubbing it in fellas, we know all too well how it feels.

In fairness; I think we've earned our right to enjoy something like this going our way.

Pepe LeFrits

jester77 wrote: »

Hopefully the whole transfer budget is splurged on Suarez. If Arsenal spend what Liverpool are looking for then there won't be much left to bring in a quality player.

? isn't?

Shouldn't be a problem, the Emirates and TV deal money (among others) gives us a huge amount to play with.

simonmln

With Reina on his way to Napoli, does this open the door again for Julio Cesar to Arsenal?

cson

simonmln wrote: »

With Reina on his way to Napoli, does this open the door again for Julio Cesar to Arsenal?

I'd be of the opinion that money could be better spent elsewhere. I'd be very surprised to see Cesar in an Arsenal shirt this season.

AdamD

Any word on Bernard? He won the Copa libertadores last night.

Interesting article for Liverpool and Arsenal fans from Marca, claims they won't be buying a striker: http://www.marca.com/blogs/tribuna-y-tribuneros/2013/07/24/falsos-nueves-y-medias-verdades.html


google translate though, any Spanish speakers?!

ooh english version: http://www.marca.com/2013/07/24/en/football/real_madrid/1374696070.html

Higuaín is off to Naples and Real Madrid is not going to sign a number '9', even if Ibrahimovic and Luis Suárez were begging for a place. The 'Los Blancos' club is set on opting for home-grown talents, Morata and Jesé, as replacements for 'El Pipa' with the convincing argument: "We believe in them and they deserve this opportunity. They are also very good. If Higuaín leaves, we are not going to sign a new forward".

This is what is called a half-truth, common currency in the complex relationship between a journalist and club management. Because not bringing in a new forward is one thing and not bringing in a goalscorer is quite another matter. Which Bale is. In fact, last season he scored 26 goals in the Premier League, to Luis Suarez's 30 and the fractious Ibra's 33.

To me, Higuaín has always seemed like a great attacker and his progression over the six and a half seasons that he has sported the white shirt has been huge. He may not be the undisputed forward to carry Real Madrid if we take CR7 out of the equation, although he has always complained of lack of continuity, citing his goal/min ratio. In any case, it is understandable for him to want to play in a team that ensures him the star status he believes he deserves.

We should not forget, however, that Real Madrid's top scorer over recent years has been Cristiano, with 50 goals per campaign, from the wing to boot. Gareth Bale does not play out front either, but has exceeded the 20 goals averaged by 'El Pipita'. What I'm trying to say is, it does not matter whether the cat is black or white, so long as it catches mice.

Awesomeness

Diaby??????????????????????

Awesomeness

I think bernard will happen if it does we have loads going forward

Theo , Poldi , Bernard, OX. Santi , Rosicky, RYO, Gnabry

Awesomeness

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/video-funniest-moments-of-asia-tour

Squad certainly seem relaxed and confident at the moment

jester77

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

? isn't?

Shouldn't be a problem, the Emirates and TV deal money (among others) gives us a huge amount to play with.

opps, yeah meant isn't. 70 million is the supposed budget, if Suarez takes up the most of that I can't see the board releasing more funds.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

AdamD wrote: »

Any word on Bernard? He won the Copa libertadores last night.

Interesting article for Liverpool and Arsenal fans from Marca, claims they won't be buying a striker: http://www.marca.com/blogs/tribuna-y-tribuneros/2013/07/24/falsos-nueves-y-medias-verdades.html


google translate though, any Spanish speakers?!

ooh english version: http://www.marca.com/2013/07/24/en/football/real_madrid/1374696070.html

I believe Bernard's agent confirmed he would be leaving anyway. Hopefully it's to us.

speedboatchase

AdamD wrote: »

Any word on Bernard? He won the Copa libertadores last night.

Interesting article for Liverpool and Arsenal fans from Marca, claims they won't be buying a striker: http://www.marca.com/blogs/tribuna-y-tribuneros/2013/07/24/falsos-nueves-y-medias-verdades.html


google translate though, any Spanish speakers?!

ooh english version: http://www.marca.com/2013/07/24/en/football/real_madrid/1374696070.html

Apparently they played Ronaldo as a number 9 against Lyon last night and want to keep him there and bring in Bale on the wings. Having said that, apparently Ronaldo's performance was muck so who knows if they'll stick to that.

Pepe LeFrits

jester77 wrote: »

opps, yeah meant isn't. 70 million is the supposed budget, if Suarez takes up the most of that I can't see the board releasing more funds.

I'm not sure where this £70m figure comes from, but the Emirates deal is worth an additional 23m a year and the TV deal is probably an additional 30-35m.

That’s 50-55m every year. When one talks about signing Suarez for £50m on a five year deal, that fee is amortised over the duration of the contract, meaning he only really costs us £10m a year plus salary (probably 7-8m a year). It still leaves us a lot of wedge to work with.

cson

speedboatchase wrote: »

Apparently they played Ronaldo as a number 9 against Lyon last night and want to keep him there and bring in Bale on the wings. Having said that, apparently Ronaldo's performance was muck so who knows if they'll stick to that.

Ordinarily I'd have said Ronaldo doesn't have the positional strength or indeed ability to hold up the ball like a proper striker but then again Barcelona played Messi up top on his own and that didn't turn out too bad.

cson

Awesomeness wrote: »

Diaby??????????????????????

In the equine world Diaby would have been put down a long time ago. He's written off in my book anyway.

Awesomeness wrote: »

I think bernard will happen if it does we have loads going forward

Theo , Poldi , Bernard, OX. Santi , Rosicky, RYO, Gnabry

Santi - Wasted on the wings

Rosicky - Not a winger; could just about do a job in the CAM role against weaker teams

Ryo - Unproven; probably not good enough until he shows something on loan again

Gnabry - Young, raw and despite his talent not someone you'd like to be depending on

speedboatchase

Bernard has confirmed that his club have received offers from English clubs (likely us, Spurs, Liverpool), and Porto and Shakhtar. I'm a little wary about this becoming a blind auction but hopefully the player himself sees the PL and us as the best option.

AdamD

Decent Guardian article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2013/jul/24/arsenal-luis-suarez-liverpool

n many respects, the setting that Ivan Gazidis chose for his declaration of Arsenal's transfer market intent at the beginning of last month only served to emphasise the dawn of the new era. If the boardroom at Highbury House feels as though it has been lifted from decades gone by, it is because, in essence, it has.

When the club moved from their old ground to the Emirates Stadium, English Heritage highlighted various aspects of architectural significance and they included the wood panelling from the boardroom, the long table and the chairman's chair, which is actually more of a throne. So Arsenal took them all across, as they created a near-replica of the past in their home for the future. There are even dummy doors along one of the walls, which used to function when the old room was also the match-day lounge for directors. The sense of history is powerful. These walls have absorbed a lot of expensive cigar smoke and incredible hush-hush stories.

Gazidis's words on the afternoon of 6 June broke so sharply with tradition as to be startling and those who say the club's chief executive always talks the talk in the close-season and that this was nothing new must have had their grey matter depleted by the stress of following Arsenal. This was different. Here was the measured and meticulous, legally-trained and naturally cautious Gazidis promising that Arsenal were ready to "compete with any club in the world" to sign the very top players.

The example that was put to him and which he acknowledged was feasible was Wayne Rooney, but there appeared to be few limits. "We can do some things which would excite you," Gazidis said. "We can think about all kinds of things." Those things, it has now transpired, include the offer of £40m to Liverpool for Luis Suárez.

Gazidis explained that the "escalation" of the club's "financial firepower" was the result of renegotiated commercial deals and, once the mental arithmetic was done, it was possible to see that Arsène Wenger stood to receive an extra £70m each year to spend on transfers. The manager already has a substantial slush fund.

Gazidis was bullish, supremely assured and the thing was that he wanted it to be so public, which is most un-Arsenal-like. One interpretation was that he had an A-lister lined up with which to wow the supporters. We now know that this was not the case, although it did emerge two weeks later that Arsenal had agreed personal terms in principle with the Real Madrid striker Gonzalo Higuaín, if not a fee with his employer.

It was easy to imagine that Gazidis was sending a message to Wenger, which ran along the following lines: 'I've done all I can on the commercial side. The financial platform is in place. Over to you. Please spend some money.'

Wenger has attempted to dilute the levels of expectation during the club's pre-season tour of east Asia. He has spoken of adding "one or two players who will give us something more", and of a difficult market in Europe, where there is "a lot of money and not many players". Yet the horse has bolted and, from Gazidis's and Wenger's point of view, there is an almighty rod to support the back.

Wenger's move for Suárez is sensational, not only because Arsenal have never paid a fee of more than the £15m they spent to take Andrey Arshavin from Zenit St Petersburg in 2009. Suárez is the best player at a rival Premier League club; Liverpool have, unsurprisingly, blocked his sale and, as such, the situation has become strained. Arsenal know what it is like to lose their best player to a domestic rival, having been powerless to prevent Robin van Persie's transfer to Manchester United last summer. They intend to lace the boot to the other foot and do the kicking.

It is, though, the divisiveness which Suárez inspires that has spiced the tale. Some Arsenal fans see a player whose on-field indiscretions read like a crime sheet and conclude that a club of their varnished-oak dignity ought to have nothing to do with him. But others prefer to focus on the talent that has put the 26-year-old in the world-class bracket; the touch, the balance, the vision, the goals. Watching Suárez live, when his off-the-ball movement can be fully appreciated, is one of the game's true pleasures.

Suárez is a family man, who is married to his childhood sweetheart, and he is simply considered to be a nice bloke by his Liverpool team-mates. Those who know him from his previous clubs speak well of him, too. "He likes to laugh and he likes to joke," said Tottenham Hotspur's Jan Vertonghen, who played with Suárez at Ajax. The Arsenal captain, Thomas Vermaelen, also knows and respects him from the Dutch club.

There would be no issues in the Arsenal dressing room were Suárez to sign, partly because players are a worldly bunch, concerned purely with whether somebody will put it in for them. Almost to a man during the current tour, Arsenal's squad have spoken of their desire to see high-quality additions. They would love it were Suárez to join, with Tomas Rosicky describing him on his Facebook page as a "fantastic player".

There is also the school of thought that a player of Suárez's win-at-all-costs mentality is precisely what Arsenal need. The Uruguayan has admitted that something changes inside him when he crosses the white line and he feels the competitive juices; something that makes him prepared to push the boundaries of what is thought to be acceptable. Have Arsenal, trophyless since 2005, been guilty of being too nice? As an aside on morality in football (such as it is), it is remarkable how supporters can turn as soon as a player changes teams.

Arsenal will sit back to watch the effects of their bid. The next move must surely come from Suárez. The offer was of one pound over £40m and Arsenal have been encouraged to believe that it will trigger a clause in Suárez's contract whereby he is permitted to seek the transfer. Arsenal's inclusion of the extra £1 felt provocative.

Liverpool maintain that they must merely inform Suárez of the interest in the event of a club bidding more than £40m for him, although it is a stretch to think that he does not already know about it. In that case, the clause would appear pointless and Suárez's agent, Pere Guardiola, would surely not have bothered to insert it.

Wenger is rolling the dice hard for a player who will be banned for the first six domestic matches of the season, a carry-over from his punishment last April for biting Chelsea's Branislav Ivanovic. Wenger has spoken of a potentially more "open" title race, with the two Manchester clubs and Chelsea adjusting to new managers, and the move for Suárez reflects a desire to capitalise.

Conspiracy theorists have also seen it as a final roll, as Wenger enters the last season of his contract. He suggested in May that he knew Sir Alex Ferguson would retire at the end of the season as soon as he paid £24m to take Van Persie to Old Trafford. Wenger's words have come to feature a rich subtext.

What is clear, however, is that the consequences of Arsenal failing to land a marquee target are unthinkable. The nightmare scenario for them sees Rooney moving to Chelsea, Higuaín going to Napoli, and Madrid, having bided their time, nipping in to get Suárez next month. Arsenal's new era is not free of uncertainty.

SlickRic

big transfer news for you.

the one you've been waiting for.

Negotiations are continuing between Roma and Arsenal over the transfer of Ivorian forward Gervinho, with a deal close to being agreed according to Sky Italia.

An initial bid of £6.8m had been rejected by the Gunners who are looking for a fee closer to £8.6m.

http://www.itv.com/sport/football/update/2013-07-25/roma-close-to-gervinho-signing/

shano_88

Im worried about the squad If we just add Suarez for this transfer window. We definitely need another defender and midfielder. Signing Suarez would be great but If its at the expense of reinforcing other positions, Im not so sure.

greendom

Latest rumour is that Suarez didn't get on the plane to continue with the Liverpool tour of the far east but instead will be getting on a plane to London to hold talks with Arsenal. Could have spent less and got on a flight to Japan

imtdub

SlickRic wrote: »

big transfer news for you.

the one you've been waiting for.



http://www.itv.com/sport/football/update/2013-07-25/roma-close-to-gervinho-signing/

One more bites the dust, but it's the other Dinosaur - aka best player in the Universe, who needs to be thrown/pushed out.

Awesomeness

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11096/8839673/suarez-solution

Good article on the flexibility os Fuarez and why he may be worth a few pound more

Fuzzy_Dunlop

greendom wrote: »

Latest rumour is that Suarez didn't get on the plane to continue with the Liverpool tour of the far east but instead will be getting on a plane to London to hold talks with Arsenal. Could have spent less and got on a flight to Japan

Who's even in London for us to do negotiations, Dicky Law?

imtdub

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Who's even in London for us to do negotiations, Dicky Law?

I thought he would've gone to Japan as both Wenger and Gazidis are there, who he should be discussing with.

Awesomeness

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Who's even in London for us to do negotiations, Dicky Law?

Last game is tomorrow and I imagine they will leave fairly quickly. COuld be back in london by saturday

cson

SlickRic wrote: »

big transfer news for you.

the one you've been waiting for.



http://www.itv.com/sport/football/update/2013-07-25/roma-close-to-gervinho-signing/

Happy that he's leaving as he just didn't fit in with us; I actually think he'll turn out as a decent signing when he gets into a new environment. The guy had 15 goals and 10 assists for Lille when they won the league. He showed what he's capable of in the ACN this year too. Too mentally fragile for the top level though.

8.6 million?


Holy mother! That's the proof that the market is mental right there. I'd give him to pool plus the 40m+1!

jester77

Deleted User wrote: »

8.6 million?


Holy mother! That's the proof that the market is mental right there. I'd give him to pool plus the 40m+1!

Too right, they should be happy with 6.8. Although transfermarkt value him at 8.8

AdamD

Not sure on the chances of him moving or being interested but if we're throwing 40m bids around what about Reus from Dortmund? Great player

cson

AdamD wrote: »

Not sure on the chances of him moving or being interested but if we're throwing 40m bids around what about Reus from Dortmund? Great player

They won't sell and tbh they'd be ****ing insane to. Reus is a serious serious talent.

emergingstar

2 things

1) santi not wasted on the wings an will play mostly there next season

2) wouldn't be too worried if arteta got injured, Ramsey is more than able to cover

Would still like another midfielder though

HazDanz

emergingstar wrote: »

2 things

1) santi not wasted on the wings an will play mostly there next season

2) wouldn't be too worried if arteta got injured, Ramsey is more than able to cover

Would still like another midfielder though

I would not be surprised to see Ramsey usurp Arteta in that role at some point this season. Arteta is excellent but I think Ramsey is bubbling into a higher gear for the coming season.

Mickeroo

Rumours that Higuain's unveiling at Napoli this evening has been canceled. That doesn't mean the transfer is canceled or anything though :pac:

farna_boy

Mickeroo wrote: »

Rumours that Higuain's unveiling at Napoli this evening has been canceled. That doesn't mean the transfer is canceled or anything though :pac:

Maybe he failed his medical! It's a sign, he has Arsenal DNA! :P

liamygunner29

speedboatchase wrote: »

Napoli have agreed a deal with Jackson Martinez for €40m. Two €40m strikers in one day. Ambition, eh? Another striker down if we lose out on Suarez.

maybe more to this than meets the eye

Marty McFly

Deleted User wrote: »

8.6 million?


Holy mother! That's the proof that the market is mental right there. I'd give him to pool plus the 40m+1!

I think a lot of people in here are a bit harsh on Gerv to be honest he can be menacing at times, yes his final ball and finsihing canleave a lot to be desired.

But I feel he's very much a confidence player watch him for the Ivory Coast and he's a different player, the other players in the squad really look out for him and help him along

He doesn't get that Arsenal and rightly so, but put him in a team were he is indespensible and really think he will flourish.

Plus he's never once moaned or been the press whinging he's a model professional if he does leave I wish him all the best.

wandatowell

Marty McFly wrote: »

I think a lot of people in here are a bit harsh on Gerv to be honest he can be menacing at times, yes his final ball and finsihing canleave a lot to be desired is sh*t

But I feel he's very much a confidence player watch him for the Ivory Coast and he's a different player, the other players in the squad really look out for him and help him along

He doesn't get that Arsenal and rightly so, but put him in a team were he is indespensible and really think he will flourish.

Plus he's never once moaned or been the press whinging he's a model professional if he does leave I wish him all the best.

FYP


All joking aside you're spot on

Awesomeness

Rodgers "If Arsenal want the player, then they have to produce the value for the player," Rodgers told reporters in Australia.

"There was an offer a few weeks ago of £35million and two weeks later it is now £40m and a pound - I don't think it is anywhere near the value of what he is worth.

"But it is twofold, really. A player may want to go, but then somebody has to pay the value or worth of that player."

Thats the end of his Liverpool career I think.

IF its with us or another team remains to be seen

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/8839533/liverpool-boss-brendan-rodgers-says-arsenal-must-up-bid-for-luis-suarez

emergingstar

I actually hope it's to us now

So I can have the last laugh at all my Liverpool mates who keep telling me there is no chance it's happening

Mickeroo

Sure is a lot quieter around these parts today.

So this happened:

Mickeroo

Mickeroo wrote: »

Sure is a lot quieter around these parts today.

So this happened:

Who says Germans dont have a sense of humour

Mickeroo

Joel Campbell on loan to Olympiakos

Bernard's agent calling the cup win a "perfect farewll" and could be having his medical in london tomorrow. Would love if it happens, really snook that one under the radar.

dvemail

Mickeroo wrote: »

Joel Campbell on loan to Olympiakos

Bernard's agent calling the cup win a "perfect farewll" and could be having his medical in london tomorrow. Would love if it happens, really snook that one under the radar.

Don't be surprised if he ends up at Porto. Hopefully it is with us though.

liamygunner29

Arsenal gone odds on across the board today to sign Suarez. Cant wait to go on a bender for the weekend and be away from all this. Went away for a bit and assumed something would have happpend in the 3 hours I was gone.

Melter behavior.

I'm mad for him, I think he will have a huge impact. He is a spiteful little p*ick and will be out to piss off a good portion of people next season. I enjoyed how we conducted ourselves the last few years but the financial fair play award won't get people off my back about trophies, the little gypo might. Whatever aboud the clubs image, a few good prefrmances and it iwll all be forgotten about. Bill Clinton got head, lied about it and got back to the top! People move on very qucikly. A lot of our last great players were all a bit ratty Cesc, Paddy V, Adams, Keown, Cole and so on. I hate when people say the like us now, thats cause we dont threaten them. He is a passionate, angry man who enjoys winning. Get him in there and let everyone hate us.

Totally agree on Gerv, I was tipping him to make an impact last season like a tool. Just lacks a ibt of top level direction. Thought he showed a deft touch under pressure at times and seems likable. Admirably conducted himself while with us. Will always wish him well and hope he has a better time at Roma or whoever.

Crann na Beatha

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Pierce_1991

Phoenix wrote: »

Whats the general opinion of the Arsenal posters here?do you want suarez at your club?

Long answer No with an if, short answer Yes with a but.

TheBza

Phoenix wrote: »

Whats the general opinion of the Arsenal posters here?do you want suarez at your club?

No, think this Suarez deal is going to come back to bite us (no pun intended).