Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

Mickeroo

jonneymendoza wrote: »

It is as simple as black and white. you either want him sacked or you dont. That is what my previous posts where all about. How anyone can still not want him to be sacked after 10 years of nothing.

So i stand by what i said, Wenger cant do wrong in your eyes and some and doesnt matter as you and others will never call for his head.

It's not black and white though.

Sometimes I have thought maybe he should go sometimes I've thought he shouldn't. At the moment I'm baffled by his conduct in the transfer window this summer and if we have nothing to show for it come monday night I don't really want to see him sign a new contract to be honest. I have criticised his unwillingness to strengthen the team each year for years, i've criticised the tactics he employs, his tendency to play players out of position, how soft the team are sometimes, the lack of a "Plan B".

He quite literally does wrong in my eyes on a regular basis. Is that too complicated for you to understand or what?

EuropeanSon

bad2dabone wrote: »

Personally I’ve a lot of affection for Wenger, he’s been the manager for most of my life and I only really became an obsessive arsenal fan back in 98.
I want him to succeed because I want the club to succeed and, until this summer, I was like “once we can afford it we can get back on top!”

However he’s really really not helped himself so far and my stock of goodwill has dwindled away. IF we don’t make some really good signings by end of window I’ll be disgusted – as I’m sure will all of you.
Up until then I’m going to do a Gazidis and keep my powder dry.

This. Well, replace 98 with 2001, perhaps. But all the rest of this.

slingerz

bad2dabone wrote: »

Dude,

Nobody here is happy with winning nothing!
Nobody here is happy that every other teams fans slag us off for having not won anything in 8 years.
Everyone here desperately wants a trophy and glory for the team.

BUT

Even though we have not won anything we can take SOME comfort from the fact that the club has built an infrastructure over the past few years that WILL serve the club for the future, regardless of who is the manager.

In fact its because we have the infrastructure in place and are now reaping the benefits with 160+million in the bank that we’re all going so mad this season that we’ve not spent.

the bolded bit is Arsenal's saving grace really. they do need to work on their playing personnel though to give themselves realistic hopes of contending for the title/top 4 spots given the investment by Utd/Spurs/Man City/Chelsea in recent seasons

Alfred Borden

jonny666 wrote: »

Wonder who'll we'll get in the CL this year. Some decent teams in pot 3 and 4

do not want sociedad at all

danlen

FearDark wrote: »

Some people around here are happy with winning nothing it seems.

Any other team, he would be sacked.

No, just some people realise that as much as we, as fans, want trophies and to win all the time sometimes you've gotta consider the bigger picture.

Before this summer, its been obvious we've been financially shackled by the stadium. We've had less resources and so in all honesty our squad hasn't been close to the quality of Utd and Chelsea and more recently City. To complain about not finishing above those teams is really not being objective about it.

I hear the "we are Arsenal though" crap, as if because we have a great history we should be by right be challenging for league titles every year. We need to get real. Modern success is directly correlated with what you can spend and over the past several years we haven't been afforded that luxury. Blaming Wenger for that is ridiculous.

We now have the most sustainable and secure club in the country arguably and have all the resources in place to achieve long-term success.

I can get on board with people giving out about the lack of transfer activity this summer but to slate Wenger for what he's done over the last ten years?? Absolutle joke.

I hate to say this because it makes me sound like a condescending pr*ck but some people really don't have a clue about how football works.

Sorry if this has been posted already but Flamster announced as number 20

https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/373082620654923776/photo/1

Any latest on the draw?

tayto lover

danlen wrote: »

No, just some people realise that as much as we, as fans, want trophies and to win all the time sometimes you've gotta consider the bigger picture.

Before this summer, its been obvious we've been financially shackled by the stadium. We've had less resources and so in all honesty our squad hasn't been close to the quality of Utd and Chelsea and more recently City. To complain about not finishing above those teams is really not being objective about it.

I hear the "we are Arsenal though" crap, as if because we have a great history we should be by right be challenging for league titles every year. We need to get real. Modern success is directly correlated with what you can spend and over the past several years we haven't been afforded that luxury. Blaming Wenger for that is ridiculous.

We now have the most sustainable and secure club in the country arguably and have all the resources in place to achieve long-term success.

I can get on board with people giving out about the lack of transfer activity this summer but to slate Wenger for what he's done over the last ten years?? Absolutle joke.

I hate to say this because it makes me sound like a condescending pr*ck but some people really don't have a clue about how football works.

Agree with you in general BUT what happened this summer?

gosplan

jonneymendoza wrote: »

It is as simple as black and white. you either want him sacked or you dont. That is what my previous posts where all about. How anyone can still not want him to be sacked after 10 years of nothing.

So i stand by what i said, Wenger cant do wrong in your eyes and some and doesnt matter as you and others will never call for his head.

Stop painting yourself as rational.

You're being totally nuts and not listening to anything other people are saying.

Mickeroo

tayto lover wrote: »

Agree with you in general BUT what happened this summer?

I think we can all agree the summer's been a joke.

Pepe LeFrits

Wenger has been spending fourth to get us fourth for the last couple of years. Which is okay, as long as you don't factor in our performance in cup competitions.

Marty McFly

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry if this has been posted already but Flamster announced as number 20

https://twitter.com/Arsenal/status/373082620654923776/photo/1

Any latest on the draw?

Nothing yet Sky doing there usual coverage started at 4 all they have done is waffle away making a spectacle out of something that it really shouldn't.

gosplan

FearDark wrote: »

Some people around here are happy with winning nothing it seems.

Any other team, he would be sacked.

Yes and it's them versus you.

I think you should start making your points before they win the argument.

Marty McFly

Marty McFly wrote: »

Nothing yet Sky doing there usual coverage started at 4 all they have done is waffle away making a spectacle out of something that it really shouldn't.

Those UEFA heads are highly irritating. There surely must be an easier faster way of drawing all the names out of a hat without all the rigmarole that goes with it?

Marty McFly

Deleted User wrote: »

Those UEFA heads are highly irritating. There surely must be an easier faster way of drawing all the names out of a hat without all the rigmarole that goes with it?

You would hope so but no UEFA now showing a highlight reel of last year Champions League run to the final.

Get on with it.

Mickeroo

Marty McFly wrote: »

You would hope so but no UEFA now showing a highlight reel of last year Champions League run to the final.

Get on with it.

They're talking about how pretty the trophy is now.

Hyzepher

anyone older they could of got?

Hyzepher

actually - I'd love one of those wafers that they are always talking about!

jonneymendoza

Raf32 wrote: »

10 years of nothing? Since 2003 two FA Cup wins, a season unbeaten winning the league, 49 game unbeaten run, our first champions league final,two league cup finals, champions league football every year and helped us move to the best stadium in the league, ya your right nothing in the last ten years!

well 8 years of nothing to be precise. Last 8 years how many times have we competed for the title? How many trophies we won? How many of our top players left us for glory?

yada yada you sound just like another arsenal fan who is happy for our club to coast along and not bothered about winning or becoming a top side again

FearDark wrote: »

Some people around here are happy with winning nothing it seems.

Any other team, he would be sacked.

exactly.

Some just dont mind arsenal just coasting in the top 4. They are happy with that and nothing else.

Hyzepher

so Jonney, who would you have in his place?

the untitled user

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Some just dont mind arsenal just coasting in the top 4. They are happy with that and nothing else.

No one is happy with 4th.

But some of us would prefer us not to gamble the future of the club to attain it (like Leed's did). Or becoming a billionaire's play thing (worked ok for City so far, but look at Malaga or B'burn to see how badly it can go wrong).

Mickeroo

Well, we're first out.

tayto lover

Hooray. We came first.

Awesomeness

Yay we came first in something!!!!!

Soups123

jonneymendoza wrote: »

well 8 years of nothing to be precise. Last 8 years how many times have we competed for the title? How many trophies we won? How many of our top players left us for glory?

yada yada you sound just like another arsenal fan who is happy for our club to coast along and not bothered about winning or becoming a top side again



exactly.

Some just dont mind arsenal just coasting in the top 4. They are happy with that and nothing else.[/QUOTE]

Find me one fan in here who thinks this and I'll walk away. Posting sh*t is one thing posting lies is another

Marty McFly

Jasus you could hear a penny drop there the banter was so bad.

Gringo180

Holy jaysus embarrassing stuff, poor fecker cant even open the balls :pac:

Awesomeness

Jesus its painful watching the effort required to conduct this draw

Marty McFly

And that was the end of Billy McNeils very shot lived television career.

pandaboy

This draw is woeful! Just draw the teams already! This should be hosted in the back of a pub, sandwiches and tea for staff.

pandaboy

Awesomeness wrote: »

Jesus its painful watching the effort required to conduct this draw

They've got a fantastic sense of humour though. It's nearly topping the Eurovision for personalities of the year.

Marty McFly

Marseille not bad.

Hyzepher

good so far

tayto lover

Marseilles should not bother us too much (if we sign a few players)

Awesomeness

Not a bad start

Alfred Borden

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_McNeill
:pac:

Mickeroo

Yeah, they should be handy enough.

Frisbee

Marseille or CSKA were the ideal draws form that pot really.

Mickeroo

Frisbee wrote: »

Marseille or CSKA were the ideal draws form that pot really.

Yeah, glad they won't have to travel to Moscow for an away leg though.

Redzer7

Marseille was the perfect draw, CSKA would have been up there with one of the worst IMO.

Frisbee

Absolutely

jonneymendoza

Soups123 wrote: »

jonneymendoza wrote: »

well 8 years of nothing to be precise. Last 8 years how many times have we competed for the title? How many trophies we won? How many of our top players left us for glory?

yada yada you sound just like another arsenal fan who is happy for our club to coast along and not bothered about winning or becoming a top side again



exactly.

Some just dont mind arsenal just coasting in the top 4. They are happy with that and nothing else.

Find me one fan in here who thinks this and I'll walk away. Posting sh*t is one thing posting lies is another

people who see wenger as the rigth man for the job are clearly happy with his abilities and the results from his coaching abilities.

So that goes without saying they are happy for coasting to 4th spot.

If you wasnt happy then why support and back wenger and the board? Why not call for his head as clearly he and the board are just coasting and therefore you as a fan are not happy with that?

Ask any united, spurs, chelsea, etc etc fan if they would be happy with a manager coasting for 4th spot for almost 10 years and they will laugh at you and instantly say the manager should go

pandaboy

Figo did a great job

Godge

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Ask any united, spurs, chelsea, etc etc fan if they would be happy with a manager coasting for 4th spot for almost 10 years and they will laugh at you and instantly say the manager should go

Rather than forever living in our shadow? Spurs would grab coasting to 4th spot for almost ten years.

Gringo180

Would love Basel in this pot.

Awesomeness

jonneymendoza wrote: »

people who see wenger as the rigth man for the job are clearly happy with his abilities and the results from his coaching abilities.

So that goes without saying they are happy for coasting to 4th spot.

If you wasnt happy then why support and back wenger and the board? Why not call for his head as clearly he and the board are just coasting and therefore you as a fan are not happy with that?

Ask any united, spurs, chelsea, etc etc fan if they would be happy with a manager coasting for 4th spot for almost 10 years and they will laugh at you and instantly say the manager should go

Come back later we are busy right now

Awesomeness

Owen not pulled a hammy yet.

Not many you would have feared in pot 2

greendom

Godge wrote: »

Rather than forever living in our shadow? Spurs would grab coasting to 4th spot for almost ten years.

And they still have a stadium to build.

jonneymendoza

home time

tayto lover

Dortmund a very hard one.

darego

we got dortmund **** :P