Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

bad2dabone

I can't disagree that when he plays a simple game he's more effective

batistuta9

Oranage2 wrote: »

I reckon the 40 plus 1 bid was giving to arsenal by someone close to suarez, id be surprised if chats didn't already happen, also I doubt an agent would be so clueless about the contract.

All this leaked information looks like desperation from Liverpool to sell to Madrid, though I wouldn't be surprised if its coming from the suarez camp too.

Though I'm just speculating and am probably wrong.

yeah it had to be or else they had someone googling for the stories of saurez signing a new contract and got it from there :pac:
i'd say they have too, they were supposed to have been 'encouraged' by his people to make the bid as well, on the clause you'd think that but who knows

i'm not sure about the releasing it to get madrid involved, do they really want to sell him?

AdamD

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Ramsey is better than Wilshere at this point in time and I'll be a bit surprised if he doesn't start the season in the first XI.

Ramsey was in great form at the end of the season but I'm not having that at all. Hes not a patch on Wilshere, who played superb when he got a run of injury free games around November-January. Hes on another level to Ramsey and if he stays injury free, with a full pre-season behind him I'd back him to be our player of the year, even if we signed a Suarez.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIwXkpoX12A

His ability to pick the ball up in midfield and ghost past a couple of players is unparalleled in the PL, Dembele probably comes closest.

greendom

wonga77 wrote: »

How reliable is it usually?

I follow the source on twitter @germangunners and he's very quick to knock back any dodgy rumour from Germany so reasonably reliable

Pepe LeFrits

AdamD wrote: »

Ramsey was in great form at the end of the season but I'm not having that at all. Hes not a patch on Wilshere, who played superb when he got a run of injury free games around November-January. Hes on another level to Ramsey and if he stays injury free, with a full pre-season behind him I'd back him to be our player of the year, even if we signed a Suarez.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIwXkpoX12A

His ability to pick the ball up in midfield and ghost past a couple of players is unparalleled in the PL, Dembele probably comes closest.

Wilshere was horrible last season.

Ramsey was as good as Wilshere before his injury. When he came back he was horrible too, but people overlooked it (for a while) because a) he was coming back from injury and b) his past reputation. Wilshere is in the same place now; his performances last season in no way warrant a place in the team over Arteta or Ramsey. Hopefully he can progress back to his best a lot quicker than Ramsey but talk of levels of meaningless for me; right now, Ramsey is better.

gosplan

greendom wrote: »

I follow the source on twitter @germangunners and he's very quick to knock back any dodgy rumour from Germany so reasonably reliable

OK so that would be my upcoming defender to provide back-up and eventual replacement to Per.

Suarez will be my top level striker.

Now for the beast of a midfielder!!

AdamD

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Wilshere was horrible last season.

Ramsey was as good as Wilshere before his injury. When he came back he was horrible too, but people overlooked it (for a while) because a) he was coming back from injury and b) his past reputation. Wilshere is in the same place now; his performances last season in no way warrant a place in the team over Arteta or Ramsey. Hopefully he can progress back to his best a lot quicker than Ramsey but talk of levels of meaningless for me; right now, Ramsey is better.

This must be a piss take? He had about 2 poor games out of 20? Most of the time he played he was our best player. The only time he looked poor was when he came back from the 2nd injury and played 2 games (one against everton possibly? Didnt look great but turned out he was still injured and he didn't play again for the rest of the season). If Wilsheres fit Ramsey shouldn't and won't get a look in if theyre competing for the same spot.

Oranage2

batistuta9 wrote: »

yeah it had to be or else they had someone googling for the stories of saurez signing a new contract and got it from there :pac:
i'd say they have too, they were supposed to have been 'encouraged' by his people to make the bid as well, on the clause you'd think that but who knows

i'm not sure about the releasing it to get madrid involved, do they really want to sell him?

Excellent point about not wanting to sell him.

Take him out of the team and they're a lame duck attacking wise. Sturidge will get 15 goals but he's a bit injury prone, coutinho as good as he looks has only really had 4 good games for Liverpool against relegation fodder/candidates or lower half teams already safe, he did continue his form pre season against Indonesias and Thailands finests, I wouldn't be as quick as some to label him a different class.

So lose suarez and they're really in a hole.

Pepe LeFrits

AdamD wrote: »

This must be a piss take? He had about 2 poor games out of 20? Most of the time he played he was our best player. The only time he looked poor was when he came back from the 2nd injury and played 2 games (one against everton possibly? Didnt look great but turned out he was still injured and he didn't play again for the rest of the season). If Wilsheres fit Ramsey shouldn't and won't get a look in if theyre competing for the same spot.

Er... it isn't.

It's not exactly an uncommon opinion. He was rarely our best player; he played 33 games and as far as I can see never got close to anyone's consideration for player of the year, which considering it was his return to the team and he basically farts gold in the eyes of Arsenal fans, suggests how below par he was. He also wasn't injured at the end of the season - he was on the bench for the last five games.

Kirby

Can't believe there are some in here that think Ramsey is a better player than Wilshere. Are people forgetting how long Wilshere was out for? Form is temporary and all that jazz.

Nobody in the top 4 or the teams chasing it like Spurs, Everton, Liverpool would come anywhere near Ramsey if he was available but they would be all over Wilshere like a fly on sh*t.

AdamD

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Er... it isn't.

It's not exactly an uncommon opinion. He was rarely our best player; he played 33 games and as far as I can see never got close to anyone's consideration for player of the year, which considering it was his return to the team and he basically farts gold in the eyes of Arsenal fans, suggests how below par he was. He also wasn't injured at the end of the season - he was on the bench for the last five games.

Waiting to get screws taken out of his angle and Wenger clearly said they'd only use him in an emergency..

We can agree to disagree but I think you saying he was 'horrible' is absolutely bat****.

Pepe LeFrits

Yeah, it's an exaggeration (in the same way that saying any premiership footballer is ****; none of them are, but it's all relative), but no more so than saying he was our best player.

.jacksparrow.

http://www.thefootballnetwork.net/boards/read/s378.htm?721,14146201,14146225

Cesc just bought a flat in London!??

Pepe LeFrits

Kirby wrote: »

Can't believe there are some in here that think Ramsey is a better player than Wilshere. Are people forgetting how long Wilshere was out for? Form is temporary and all that jazz.

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Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

When he came back he was horrible too, but people overlooked it (for a while) because a) he was coming back from injury and b) his past reputation. Wilshere is in the same place now; his performances last season in no way warrant a place in the team over Arteta or Ramsey. Hopefully he can progress back to his best a lot quicker than Ramsey but talk of levels of meaningless for me; right now, Ramsey is better.

extra gravy

Kirby wrote: »

Can't believe there are some in here that think Ramsey is a better player than Wilshere. [B]Are people forgetting how long Wilshere was out for? [/B] Form is temporary and all that jazz.

Nobody in the top 4 or the teams chasing it like Spurs, Everton, Liverpool would come anywhere near Ramsey if he was available but they would be all over Wilshere like a fly on sh*t.

No but I think people forget how long Ramsey was out for and how good he was before the injury. I may be alone in thinking that Ramsey was a better player before the injury than Wilshere is now. That's why Wenger has persisted with him.

Kirby

Ramsey has had years to recover. Wilshere hasn't. If he has a poor season this time around then it would be fair to criticise. But that's conjecture.

Soups123

extra gravy wrote: »

No but I think people forget how long Ramsey was out for and how good he was before the injury. I may be alone in thinking that Ramsey was a better player before the injury than Wilshere is now. That's why Wenger has persisted with him.

I think Arsenal fans over play how good Ramsey was before the injury, he did well and showed promise but was far from the level people recall him playing at.

Wilshire has always shown the more potential for me. Ramsey showed a lot the second half of last year this is his make or break year.

What's the injury list like at the moment anyway? There's a couple of names I could swear got injured but I'm afraid to mention them in case it triggers something. :pac:

bad2dabone

Deleted User wrote: »

What's the injury list like at the moment anyway? There's a couple of names I could swear got injured but I'm afraid to mention them in case it triggers something. :pac:

Diaby's injured.

Verminator.

Monreal.

apart from that the first team squad is injury free.

Goalkeepers
1. Szczensy
21. Fabianski
36. Martinez

Right Backs
3. Sagna
25. Jenkinson

Centre Backs
4. Mertesacker
5. Vermaelen
6. Koscielny
54. Miquel

Left Backs
17. Monreal
28. Gibbs

Midfielders
7. Rosicky
8. Arteta
10. Wilshere
16. Ramsey
19. Cazorla
24. Diaby

Wide Forwards
9. Podolski
14. Walcott
15. Chamberlain
31. Ryo

Centre Forwards
12. Giroud
22. Sanogo


(stolen from arsenal mania)

Pepe LeFrits

Soups123 wrote: »

I think Arsenal fans over play how good Ramsey was before the injury, he did well and showed promise but was far from the level people recall him playing at.

Wilshire has always shown the more potential for me. Ramsey showed a lot the second half of last year this is his make or break year.

Well, better hope that Wilshere's form recovers quickly otherwise not only will his performances start to be noticed, it'll then be claimed that he was never all that good to begin with.

It's a well worn pattern.

.jacksparrow.

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Well, better hope that Wilshere's form recovers quickly otherwise not only will his performances start to be noticed, it'll then be claimed that he was never all that good to begin with.

It's a well worn pattern.

Nah jacks potential is far better than ramseys ever was, clear to see

Gringo180

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Ramsey is better than Wilshere at this point in time and I'll be a bit surprised if he doesn't start the season in the first XI.

HOLY JAYSUS :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

EuropeanSon

Totally agree about Ramsey vs Wilshere. People give jack a little bit too much credit, and Ramsey too little.

Skylinehead

Gringo180 wrote: »

HOLY JAYSUS :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

He's right though. Ramsey finished the season starting, Wilshere on the bench. Because Ramsey was playing better. How they'll both start the season is a different matter, but the last time we saw the two Ramsey was in much better form. Nobody's saying he's the better player.

AdamD

Skylinehead wrote: »

He's right though. Ramsey finished the season starting, Wilshere on the bench. Because Ramsey was playing better. How they'll both start the season is a different matter, but the last time we saw the two Ramsey was in much better form. Nobody's saying he's the better player.

Are you missing the part where Wilshere was due a surgery and they didn't want to use him if at all possible?

darego

Skylinehead wrote: »

He's right though. Ramsey finished the season starting, Wilshere on the bench. Because Ramsey was playing better. How they'll both start the season is a different matter, but the last time we saw the two Ramsey was in much better form. Nobody's saying he's the better player.

pretty sure wilshere was benched because of injury concerns and not because "ramsey was playing better". i remember wenger saying it would be a big risk to play him but he was available if really needed

Skylinehead

AdamD wrote: »

Are you missing the part where Wilshere was due a surgery and they didn't want to use him if at all possible?

Doesn't really change anything regarding what I said. Wilshere did have a few games, and didn't look up to speed.

Gringo180

Don't get me wrong Ramsey is a decent enough squad player in the same mould Stephen Hughes, Grimandi, Flamini etc (Edu would be much better then all of them) but not a chance is he even in the same league as Wilshere!!

.jacksparrow.

Looking our our wide options they are very poor.

Pepe LeFrits

darego wrote: »

pretty sure wilshere was benched because of injury concerns and not because "ramsey was playing better". i remember wenger saying it would be a big risk to play him but he was available if really needed

Ramsey certainly never really came into it; himself and Arteta were Wenger's midfield pairing of choice in the run in and were always there. Wilshere returned from injury and went straight into the team, with Rosicky unavailable for that game. He kept his place for the next game with Rosicky on the bench, then dropped him for Rosicky for the rest of the season. So maybe we should be discussing whether to start Rosicky or Wilshere on August 17...

Gringo180 wrote: »

Don't get me wrong Ramsey is a decent enough squad player in the same mould Stephen Hughes, Grimandi, Flamini etc (Edu would be much better then all of them) but not a chance is he even in the same league as Wilshere!!

Edu was still playing in the Brazilian league at this stage in his career. Ramsey has miles more talent than the rest of that lot.

Looper007

A little depressing been a Arsenal last few years. Another summer of our Manager and Boards recycling the same old rubbish.

anyway seen as it's my first post. do you think we should try and nick Roberto Soldado from under the Spud's noses? 26 million doesn't seem bad for a Spain international.

emergingstar

Ramsey and jack are playing different positions

Ramsey in the pivot and jack in the 10

When jack moved back to the pivot Ramsey moved back to artetas position

Make no mistake both these boys are good and both will make part of our midfield for a few years.

batistuta9

Nuri Sahin (the boards one :pac: ) on Matthias Ginter

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=85776847&postcount=3896

gosplan

Looper007 wrote: »

A little depressing been a Arsenal last few years. Another summer of our Manager and Boards recycling the same old rubbish.

anyway seen as it's my first post. do you think we should try and nick Roberto Soldado from under the Spud's noses? 26 million doesn't seem bad for a Spain international.

Nah.

Better spending the money on some one with a little versatility rather than straight competition for Giroud.

Also he's 28 and has generally spent his career just below the level we want our players to be at. Didn't make it at Madrid, Villa's replacement at Valencia, didn't play for Spain when Torres, Villa or Llorente were about etc.

2 clarifications cause I feel some stick coming down the line:

I don't think we're better than Soldado, I just don't think it would really improve or change anything and it's not worth 26 million.

If this was a DMF or CB, I'd be saying yes. However we have Giroud with Pod as backup so another CF at about that level who's not going to develop into anything more won't achieve a whole lot.

That's not to say he won't make Spurs a lot better. Defoe and Adebayor were such a weak link for them last year.

jonneymendoza

Looper007 wrote: »

A little depressing been a Arsenal last few years. Another summer of our Manager and Boards recycling the same old rubbish.

anyway seen as it's my first post. do you think we should try and nick Roberto Soldado from under the Spud's noses? 26 million doesn't seem bad for a Spain international.

Dont remember arsenal ever going for world class players for 40m+?

brianregan09

Be pretty meaningless if we don't follow through on that though

.jacksparrow.

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brianregan09

Bet he didn't even pay for a go on the slide

speedboatchase

Let the Suarez to Chelsea rumours begin!

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-transfer-rumour-mill-5387682

FFS, can we just make another bid?

Looper007

jonneymendoza wrote: »

Dont remember arsenal ever going for world class players for 40m+?

We will never get him. You think Liverpool would sell their best player to us unlike us they don't wimp out and sell their best players off to fellow English clubs.

AdamD

Looper007 wrote: »

We will never get him. You think Liverpool would sell their best player to us unlike us they don't wimp out and sell their best players off to fellow English clubs.

Looper007

speedboatchase wrote: »

Let the Suarez to Chelsea rumours begin!

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-transfer-rumour-mill-5387682

FFS, can we just make another bid?

Nah Wenger is counting those pennies. Chelsea will get him if they bid, they are a club of ambition and they have a record of winning things every year plus atop notch coach. We are most small minded big club walking the earth, total lack of ambition from our manager and board. Not one penny spent and many potential signings slipped through our fingers cause we won't pay over 20 million on players.

Looper007

AdamD wrote: »

He was going down the jacks even before he left Liverpool though. so nah.

greendom

AdamD wrote: »

BACK OF THE NET!!!

greendom

Looper007 wrote: »

We will never get him. You think Liverpool would sell their best player to us unlike us they don't wimp out and sell their best players off to fellow English clubs.

Major difference is that RVP was in the last year of his contract and he wasn't prepared to sign another. It hurt like hell but 26 Million was fair and the money was spent wisely

gosplan

speedboatchase wrote: »

Let the Suarez to Chelsea rumours begin!

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-transfer-rumour-mill-5387682

FFS, can we just make another bid?

I find it really hard to believe that the rumour mill from the Liverpool echo have been briefed on Chelsea's plans in the case that they don't sign Rooney?

This is a made up story designed to get posted around forums like this to engineer clicks for the rag. It shouldn't be given credit.

If there is any football source for something like this, it'd be Liverpool themselves trying to push the price up and speed up the move ... But I doubt it.

No one but us is in for Suarez.

Italy can't afford him, Spain don't want him and no-one in England particularly likes or needs him ... Except us who are mad for it.

astonaidan

gosplan wrote: »

I find it really hard to believe that the rumour mill from the Liverpool echo have been briefed on Chelsea's plans in the case that they don't sign Rooney?

This is a made up story designed to get posted around forums like this to engineer clicks for the rag. It shouldn't be given credit.

If there is any football source for something like this, it'd be Liverpool themselves trying to push the price up and speed up the move ... But I doubt it.

No one but us is in for Suarez.

Italy can't afford him, Spain don't want him and no-one in England particularly likes or needs him ... Except us who are mad for it.

As a Villa fan, Ill like him if he moves to Arsenal, I just have a hatred for Liverpool since Barry

tayto lover

I would still rate Torres highly. Great player.

wawaman

The season hasnt started yet and most will agree that this is the month that will determine what kind of season lies ahead. Will we get a Brewsters Millions type splurge or the same oul same oul?

Drexel

tayto lover wrote: »

I would still rate Torres highly. Great player.

Me too. If we could get him for <20million id jump at the chance