Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

Paulegend

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Looks like my days on the forum could be coming to and end afterall!

awh:o

.jacksparrow.

Paulegend wrote: »

awh:o

You again!! Did you figure out that liverpool won't be gifting arsenal 60 goals a season yet, just 30!?

gandalf

Ah well at least our Liverpool blow-in is providing comedic value posts.

cson

gandalf wrote: »

Ah well at least our Liverpool blow-in is providing comedic value posts.

Tis grating with me now to be honest.

Fair play to him; first ever person to get put on ignore by me.

Paulegend

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

You again!! Did you figure out that liverpool won't be gifting arsenal 60 goals a season yet, just 30!?

never said that i said liverpool would be 60 goals worse off but i wont get into that. its sad because i wanted to like you because of your name. i had a bird named captain jack. he was a baby sparrow that we where nursing back to health last week. it made it hard for me to not like you. dam it anyway:rolleyes:

Paulegend

cson wrote: »

Tis grating with me now to be honest.

Fair play to him; first ever person to get put on ignore by me.

wow. cant stand the heat get outta the kitchen my friend;)

.jacksparrow.

Paulegend wrote: »

never said that i said liverpool would be 60 goals worse off but i wont get into that. its sad because i wanted to like you because of your name. i had a bird named captain jack. he was a baby sparrow that we where nursing back to health last week. it made it hard for me to not like you. dam it anyway:rolleyes:

Let the hate out, good reason to like somebody I suppose!

greendom

Excellent piece on the whole sorry affair by Daniel Taylor...

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/aug/07/luis-suarez-liverpool-arsenal-loyalty

cson

cson wrote: »

Arteta and Mertesacker are so crucial to this team that if we lose either of them for any prolonged period of time that'll be us scrapping for 4th again. So they are priority postions in my mind. I'd like Suarez and maybe if I was greedy a winger too.

34 and 33 leagues starts for them last season and we were scrapping for 4th. Last season we actually had luck with injuries bar Wilshere (and Diaby :pac: ). As I've said elsewhere, look at the run of fixtures and the match threads for the last 10-12 matches of last season while we had no other distractions. We're quite a bit more than 1 player from doing anything.

Mickeroo

Paulegend wrote: »

wow. cant stand the heat get outta the kitchen my friend;)

Can't stand the club get out of the thread :pac:

Pepe LeFrits

greendom wrote: »

Excellent piece on the whole sorry affair by Daniel Taylor...

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/aug/07/luis-suarez-liverpool-arsenal-loyalty

Good article.

Paulegend

Mickeroo wrote: »

Can't stand the club get out of the thread :pac:

touche

its not that i cant stand the club though its more the whole saga and the this whole attitude coming from arsenal fans this sense of entitlement

Gringo180

Sooner the better this Suarez saga is over pain in me hole reading through this thread.

Don't worry Suarez will force his way out soon enough, whilst Wenger sits back with an open bottle of wine.:D

Paulegend

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

Don't worry Suarez will force his way out soon enough, whilst Wenger sits back with an open bottle of wine.:D

yea itll probably be a cheap bottle from tesco since he'll be trying to save his pennies for the transfer

wawaman

Paulegend wrote: »

touche

its not that i cant stand the club though its more the whole saga and the this whole attitude coming from arsenal fans this sense of entitlement

A liverpool fan taking about someone elses sense of entitlement !!!? I think your fellow fans wrote the book on that one !! Ye should play you home games in the National History museum seeing as how the fans are so fond of history !

Paulegend

Paulegend wrote: »

it dont matter. the manner in which arsenal have acted means that relations between the clubs are now rocky. arsenal will never get suarez for 40 million. liverpool will be even more determined not to sell to your disgusting club. arsenal are hoping that suarez forces a move from liverpool and thats what this is all about. of course when barca came looking for one of their own back it was poor arsenal and when rvp was going to untied it was poor arsenal. i guess now its poor arsenal again???

When Craig Johnson moved to Liverpool all those years ago from Middlesborough apparently the process went like this

1. Liverpool made the offer
2. Middlesborough declined
3. The banks threatened to call in their loans on Middlesborough

Some coincidence that the banks used do it right after Liverpool didnt get their way :rolleyes: and thats just one example of their behaviour when they were the top team in England so dont come on lecturing anyone about ethics. Up to a few years ago you had Rafa trying his upmost to unsettle Gareth Barry. Liverpool have bought some of Arsenals top players in the past too. Ray Kennedy and Michael Thomas spring to mind.

Liverpool are in no position to lecture anyone on how to run a football club in an ethical or otherwise manner and judging by the noises coming from Anfield with Henry and Rodgers doing most of the talking about this potential transfer i would hazard a guess that they are more than willing to get Suarez out of the club but want to bleed as much as they can for this nutter with baggage

Paulegend

wawaman wrote: »

A liverpool fan taking about someone elses sense of entitlement !!!? I think your fellow fans wrote the book on that one !! Ye should play you home games in the National History museum seeing as how the fans are so fond of history !

wow at least we have one

all we get from arsenal fans is how great wenger is but the fact is any of wengers achievemenets are history

10 years is along time to go without a trophy and yer not far from that now. success isnt exactly a present thing at arsenal is it

wawaman

wawaman wrote: »

A liverpool fan taking about someone elses sense of entitlement !!!? I think your fellow fans wrote the book on that one !! Ye should play you home games in the National History museum seeing as how the fans are so fond of history !

Yeah why on earth was the national football museum put up in Preston when they love clinging on to the old days so much down Anfield way?

Paulegend

Deleted User wrote: »

When Craig Johnson moved to Liverpool all those years ago from Middlesborough apparently the process went like this

1. Liverpool made the offer
2. Middlesborough declined
3. The banks threatened to call in their loans on Middlesborough

Some coincidence that the banks used do it right after Liverpool didnt get their way :rolleyes: and thats just one example of their behaviour when they were the top team in England so dont come on lecturing anyone about ethics. Up to a few years ago you had Rafa trying his upmost to unsettle Gareth Barry. Liverpool have bought some of Arsenals top players in the past too. Ray Kennedy and Michael Thomas spring to mind.

Liverpool are in no position to lecture anyone on how to run a football club in an ethical or otherwise manner and judging by the noises coming from Anfield with Henry and Rodgers doing most of the talking about this potential transfer i would hazard a guess that they are more than willing to get Suarez out of the club but want to bleed as much as they can for this nutter with baggage

of course liverpool are trying to get as much as they can for their player

he is in demand and they dont have to sell

why wouldnt they want as much as they can get

emergingstar

Paulegend wrote: »

wow at least we have one

all we get from arsenal fans is how great wenger is but the fact is any of wengers achievemenets are history

10 years is along time to go without a trophy and yer not far from that now. success isnt exactly a present thing at arsenal is it

10 years without a trophy

But yet your best player still wants to join us

I love the smell of bitterness in the afternoon

Paulegend

Paulegend wrote: »

of course liverpool are trying to get as much as they can for their player

he is in demand and they dont have to sell

why wouldnt they want as much as they can get

Nothing wrong with it and never said there was but they shouldnt go accusing others of playing games when its exactly what they are doing. Liverpool are going on as if Arsenal launched a Barcelona type campaign in their pursuit but fact is they have made most of the noise and thats my point. If they were serious about keeping him they would be fairly hush but ive heard more from Rodgers about this then we heard from Dave Whelan when Liverpool were talking to Martinez last year.

Mickeroo

emergingstar wrote: »

10 years without a trophy

But yet your best player still wants to join us

I love the smell of bitterness in the afternoon

I'm beginning to think you just like the smell of bitterness regardless of the time :P

extra gravy

Paulegend wrote: »

wow at least we have one

all we get from arsenal fans is how great wenger is but the fact is any of wengers achievemenets are history

10 years is along time to go without a trophy and yer not far from that now. success isnt exactly a present thing at arsenal is it

If only we could swap our new 60,000 seater stadium and annual CL qualification for your Carling Cup. So jealous.

emergingstar

Mickeroo wrote: »

I'm beginning to think you just like the smell of bitterness regardless of the time :P

I fully expect that sweet smell of bitterness to be here in the evening an later on tonight too

Mickeroo

Le Sport 10 reckon we're lining up a 46m bid for Benzema. Haha!

wawaman

emergingstar wrote: »

I fully expect that sweet smell of bitterness to be here in the evening an later on tonight too

And if we end up signing Suarez, expect it to last for the next few years !

L'prof

Mickeroo wrote: »

Le Sport 10 reckon we're lining up a 46m bid for Benzema. Haha!

Now that, I could fully get behind. They'd be mad to sell though unless they were stuck for Bale cash.

Hurry up Wenger!!!

Paulegend

extra gravy wrote: »

If only we could swap our new 60,000 seater stadium and annual CL qualification for your Carling Cup. So jealous.

bet yed do it for our euopean cups though

AdamD

Mickeroo wrote: »

Le Sport 10 reckon we're lining up a 46m bid for Benzema. Haha!

Now that would be miles better than a deal for Suarez

.jacksparrow.

AdamD wrote: »

Now that would be miles better than a deal for Suarez

Not really his record is average for real, Suarez is a much better player.

Marty McFly

Paulegend wrote: »

bet yed do it for our euopean cups though

To be were you's are now one word NO.

Paulegend

Paulegend wrote: »

bet yed do it for our euopean cups though

Honestly no chance. The stable structure Arsenal going forward is a far better postition to be in.

No point winning 5 European cups and coming within hours of entering administration which is what very nearly happened to Liverpool before Henry stepped in.

gosplan

wawaman wrote: »

And if we end up signing Suarez, expect it to last for the next few years !

I just don't get the Arsenal hate coming from some Liverpool fans.

We bid 40 million for Suarez. The plus one is neither here nor there. It was included to release some clause but our bid was 40 million for a Liverpool player.

Since then Liverpool have gone into overdrive...

'You're on drugs'

'He's worth 50 million'

'No he's worth 60'

'No he's worth Gareth Bale'

'He shouldn't move to Arsenal'

'No he's not for sale ... at all ... But 60 million would be a good price'

Now he's calling the manager a liar and engineering his move out.

And all the time there's this backdrop to Liverpool FC and (some of) their fans comments of 'HOW.DARE.THEY.'

And we get accused of having a sense if entitlement and lacking class?

Guess what. We bid 40 million. If you want 50, 60 or 100, then go get it.

AFAIK no one else is interested and despite the players assumed logical preference, and some LFC fan's desire to sneakily get one over on mean old Arsenal by taking a 10-20 million hit on the sale just he can go abroad, Madrid don't give a sh1t about this one.

So we bid 40 million, this would be the second most expensive transfer ever to a British Club. This for a clear troublemaker who will miss a sixth of the coming season.

Gringo180

Mickeroo wrote: »

Le Sport 10 reckon we're lining up a 46m bid for Benzema. Haha!

Paulegend

Marty McFly wrote: »

To be were you's are now one word NO.

our placing right now is nothing got to do with success or lack of. our placing is because of bad owners in the past. the day arsenal do decide to let someone take full control ill hope that ye dont get as raw a deal as liverpool because even though it doesnt sound it in here the last couple of days i dont actually hate arsenal

as for liverpool we are slowly rebuilding our own world and we are on the way back up. we took a huge fall and we are lucky to still have a club but things are moving in the right direction with a brand of football everyone loves and an academy that is starting to produce alot of talent both local and brought in from afar. the wage structure has been fixed and we are actually balancing the books now. sure we dont have a new stadium or expansion just yet but none of that cost will go towards the FFP so when funding those come in for that we will be sorted. it also wont put us down in as long a term as your stadium did as it wont cost as much due to it being an expansion and not a new build plus the fact its in liverpool and not london

AdamD

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2013/aug/07/luis-suarez-arsenal-liverpool-

Liverpool's Luis Suárez broke his silence on Tuesday night, telling the Guardian that he wants to leave the club and that he was promised he could do so if they failed to qualify for the Champions League at the end of last season. The striker, who joined the club in January 2011, says he wants to play in Europe's top competition next season – "I'm 26. I need to be playing in the Champions League. I waited one year and no one can say that I did not give everything possible with my team-mates last season to get us there" – but what are his options now?

Several clubs have already secured their top attacking targets and others would struggle to meet the transfer fee and the players' wage demands. A look at 15 possible destinations makes for depressing reading (for Suárez at least) with only a few clubs – maximum four – in a position to sign the player.

Arsenal

The only club that have made an offer (two actually) for the Uruguayan, the second bid of £40m plus £1 irritating the Liverpool hierarchy, with Brendan Rodgers saying that the Gunners had lacked class over their approach to buy the striker. "My priority is Champions League football. This is about me doing what is right for my career at this moment in time," Suárez said on Monday night and added that he would not mind playing in England "for many more years". Arsenal are the favourites to sign the Uruguayan – although they could still be knocked out of the Champions League in the qualifiers – but will they meet Liverpool's demands? History suggests not and the London club held back when push came to shove in the pursuit of Real Madrid's Gonzalo Higuaín, who joined Napoli for £32m.

Chelsea

José Mourinho has so far – publicly at least – targeted Wayne Rooney but with United turning down a second bid for the England striker over the weekend, thought to be almost £30m with add-ons included, it is not impossible that the Portuguese could switch his attentions to Suárez. What would be better value, Rooney for £35m or Suárez for £50m? Most people would say the Uruguayan, despite all the baggage. Chelsea are in need of another option up front with Fernando Torres still struggling for form and Romelu Lukaku inexperienced when it comes to leading the line at a top club. Demba Ba is also there, of course, but it would be a surprise if Mourinho did not add to his forward line.

The Manchester clubs

No and no. Manchester City had a clear strategy this summer and their new manager, Manuel Pellegrini, secured the signings he and the club wanted early, learning from last summer's mistakes. They have bought cleverly and the captures of Stevan Jovetic (Fiorentina) and Alvaro Negredo (Sevilla) ensures that Suárez will not play at the City of Manchester Stadium next season. City, in addition, already had Sergio Agüero and Edin Dzeko at the club. United, meanwhile, could potentially go for Suárez if they sold Rooney but signing the Uruguayan would go against their current transfer policy and it is unthinkable that Liverpool would sell to their most bitter of rivals.

Real Madrid

Probably the club that can offer Suárez most hope of playing Champions League football next season, together with Arsenal. Everything depends on the Gareth Bale deal, though, and the feeling is that Real and Carlo Ancelotti have decided that the Tottenham Hotspur forward is their man this summer. Real normally get what they want in the transfer market – apart from Neymar – and only if the Bale deal collapses will they turn to Suárez. Liverpool would rather sell to Spain than to Arsenal though, that is for sure.

Barcelona

Barcelona, too, did their shopping early and brought in Neymar from Santos for a reported €57m (£48.6m) and with Lionel Messi, Pedro Rodríguez and Alexis Sánchez already at the club that means that the road to Catalonia is closed for Suárez (this summer at least). As for Spain's other Champions League participants, Atlético Madrid and Real Sociedad, they cannot afford the Liverpool striker. Atlético could potentially spend most of the Falcao money on Suárez but that is unlikely as they have already signed David Villa from Barcelona and, although the fee was far from astronomical, his wages are not insignificant.

Bayern Munich

The European champions were linked with a move for Suárez earlier in the summer but the club chairman, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, said this week that they had finished their transfer business for the summer. "We will not make any more signings. The team looks exactly as we want it right now," he told Bild. "We brought in Götze as we believe he is the biggest talent in Germany and Europe in his age group, as well as Thiago [Alcântara]." Bayern appear to be a little short up front with Mario Gomez having joined Fiorentina but playing with one forward, or none for that matter, has not been a problem for Pep Guardiola before.

Borussia Dortmund

The second best team in Europe are not going for Suárez either. It is simply not their policy to buy players at the top end of the market. They buy cheap and sell expensively (or don't sell at all as the Robert Lewandowski case shows) with Shinji Kagawa the prime example. He joined for €350,000 in 2010 and joined Manchester United two years later for £17m.

Paris St-Germain

The Parisians certainly have the financial clout to sign Suárez but they, like Manchester City, appear to have finished their shopping for the summer, at least when it comes to attacking-minded players. Their forward line is already, arguably, the strongest in Europe – if not the world – with Edinson Cavani having joined Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Ezequiel Lavezzi in an expensive and star-studded line-up. Add the fact that Lucas Moura and Javier Pastore will contribute with goals from attacking positions in midfield and it is clear that Suárez is not heading for Paris.

Monaco

The French Ligue 1 newcomers should not even be an option for Suárez as he has stated Champions League football as the reason for leaving Liverpool – and Monaco cannot offer that this upcoming season (as Tottenham cannot, for example). They have the financial clout to sign him, though, and have already secured the services of Radamel Falcao from Atlético Madrid for a club record £53m. The rest of the strike force is comparatively low-key compared to their marquee signing – who scored an incredible 52 league goals in 67 games during the past two seasons for Atlético – and it is not wholly implausible that the club's Russian billionaire owner, Dmitry Rybolovlev, opens his wallet again. But it is highly, highly unlikely.

The Milan clubs

No chance. They simply do not have the financial power to compete with the rest of the top clubs at the moment. Milan have been a selling club for a while now – when it comes to the big names – with Zlatan Ibrahimovic's and Thiago Silva's move to PSG last summer a clear indication of where they are at the moment. Inter are arguably in a worse position than their city rivals with the owner, Massimo Moratti, saying this week that investment from the Indonesian tycoon Erick Thohir may be necessary to ensure that the club can continue to compete at the highest level. Juventus, equally, is not an option for Suárez as their budget, too, is restricted and the Italian champions have already brought in Carlos Tevez and Fernando Llorente.

Napoli

Rafael Benitéz's new club have money to spend after that extraordinary transfer of Edinson Cavani to PSG for a reported £55m but more than half of that (£32m) has been spent on Higuaín while the Spanish manager has also brought in Raúl Albiol (Real Madrid, £10.6m), Dries Martens (PSV, £8.5m) and José María Callejón (Real, £8.4m). There will be no more major signings arriving at the Stadio San Paolo this summer.

Galatasaray

The Turkish club could conceivably have been an option for Suárez as they showed with the signings of Didier Drogba and Wesley Sneijder in January that they are not afraid to make marquee signings. "Big clubs can only reach their goals by signing high-profile players," the club president, Unal Aysal, said at the time. But to think that their budget would stretch to a £50m transfer fee plus the players' wages would be fanciful to say the least.

Anzhi Makhachkala

Only a few weeks ago, the Dagestan club would have been on a list of clubs w

ho could afford to sign Suárez but this week the owner, Suleiman Kerimov, seems to have given up on his grand project and they are reportedly willing to offload most of their high-profile stars, including Samuel Eto'o and Lassana Diarra. In addition, the former Manchester United coach René Meulensteen is reportedly about to get the sack, only two weeks after joining the club, and be replaced by Gadzhi Gadzhiyev

Interesting read, it really is only Arsenal in for him now with Chelsea and Real Madrid being outside possibilities if they don't land their number 1 targets.

extra gravy

Paulegend wrote: »

bet yed do it for our euopean cups though

Was wondering when they'd get mentioned :pac: We are looking to the future, you should try it.

gosplan

Gerv gone. About 8 million.

Anyone have a quick calc of how much we've cut back in wages do far this summer?

(From said calculation, I plan to logically surmise that Wenger is going to astonish us with the additions of Suarez, Gung, Bernard and Fabregas)

gosplan

Paulegend wrote: »

bet yed do it for our euopean cups though

I dunno. They don't seem to be providing you with too much comfort right now.

Pepe LeFrits

gosplan wrote: »

Gerv gone. About 8 million.

Anyone have a quick calc of how much we've cut back in wages do far this summer?

(From said calculation, I plan to logically surmise that Wenger is going to astonish us with the additions of Suarez, Gung, Bernard and Fabregas)

£20m a year plus I'd guess. Very hard to know though particularly considering a lot of the players spent some or all of last season away on loan.

dvemail

gosplan wrote: »

Anyone have a quick calc of how much we've cut back in wages do far this summer?

Few have been saying 70m to spend and we've room for 400k a week in wages. Don't know if that included Gerv or not.
Definitely room for 3 top notch signings, which is desperately need.

Marty McFly

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac: even ex players are making a show of themselves now

Robbie Fowler ‏@Robbie9Fowler 52m Had a little think... If he's desperate to go and they desperately want him.. How about 30/35 mill plus Walcott

Hyzepher

what about £50m plus Bendtner - i'd nearly pay to get rid of him

Marty McFly

Marty McFly wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac: even ex players are making a show of themselves now

Robbie Fowler ‏@Robbie9Fowler 52m Had a little think... If he's desperate to go and they desperately want him.. How about 30/35 mill plus Walcott

Or how about Robbie keeping his big nose out of it and stick it on the white line instead?!

gandalf

Actually I have found the reason that Suarez doesn't want to play for Liverpool this season after I walked past the local Lifestyle sports store.

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1930702.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Leaked-images-of-the-Liverpool-201314-away-and-third-kit-1930702.jpg

I certainly wouldn't want to be seen in public wearing those!!!

Gringo180

gandalf wrote: »

Actually I have found the reason that Suarez doesn't want to play for Liverpool this season after I walked past the local Lifestyle sports store.

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1930702.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Leaked-images-of-the-Liverpool-201314-away-and-third-kit-1930702.jpg

I certainly wouldn't want to be seen in public wearing those!!!

Absolutely horrendous looking they are :eek:

bad2dabone

in fairness if he had just come out and said he wasn't going to wear those monstrosities and the odd socks too then I think even liverpool fans would agree with him wanting to leave.

KINGVictor

bad2dabone wrote: »

in fairness if he had just come out and said he wasn't going to wear those monstrosities and the odd socks too then I think even liverpool fans would agree with him wanting to leave.

You guys are really rubbing this in:D:D

speedboatchase

@danlevy1: Etienne Capoue is going to Tottenham, Toulouse president confirms. EUR 10m deal. Player still sorting contract details. Via @mohamedbouhafsi

Spurs playing a blinder.