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Irish Rail MK3 Coaches - North Wall Update

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    #32
    325man
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭325man


    Hi, can anyone tell me what has happened to 6101 to 6105 ????


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    #33
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    325man wrote: »
    Hi, can anyone tell me what has happened to 6101 to 6105 ????

    3 of them are were scrapped. 1 is at Northwall and the other in Inchicore.


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    #34
    IrishRail Fanatic1987
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6 ✭IrishRail Fanatic1987


    Have they moved 6105 from North Wall? I know in a recent issue of the Irish Mail they saw Mark 3 coach at the paint spray in Inchicore can anyone shed some light on this too?


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    #35
    h.gricer
    Registered Users Posts: 153 ✭✭h.gricer


    IrishRail Fanatic1987 wrote: »
    Have they moved 6105 from North Wall?
    No still there, in Dardinell sidings North Wall.

    Regards
    hg


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    #36
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 13,134 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    h.gricer wrote: »
    No still there, in Dardinell sidings North Wall.

    Regards
    hg

    Hurrah, the mighty H Gricer! :):):)


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    #37
    cbl593h
    Closed Accounts Posts: 193 ✭✭cbl593h


    Report on WNXX (UK forum) that 14 mk3s stored at Inchicore have been cut, with the remaining coaches around the country to go soon.


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    #38
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    cbl593h wrote: »
    Report on WNXX (UK forum) that 14 mk3s stored at Inchicore have been cut, with the remaining coaches around the country to go soon.
    obviously their deliberate destruction has now been completed to a sufficient standard to justify cutting them up finally, poor old 2700s and 8200s watch out your next, then it will be the stored 201s

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #39
    robclay26
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    Taken in Dundalk 26 July 2013.


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    #40
    Captain Chaos
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    end of the road wrote: »
    obviously their deliberate destruction has now been completed to a sufficient standard to justify cutting them up finally, poor old 2700s and 8200s watch out your next, then it will be the stored 201s

    At this stage I'd bet they would add 087, 225 and 230 to the scrap list if they could.

    The 8200s should have been scrapped about 10 years ago though.


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    #41
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    The 8200s should have been scrapped about 10 years ago

    the 8200s should never have been bought or at least sent back on a boat with return to sender, they were a shambles and a waste of money from the get go

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #42
    Markcheese
    Registered Users Posts: 8,464 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Do they have much of a scrap value ?? By the time the actual cost of scrapping is taken In to account ...
    Or is it IE staff who'd be doing nothing else otherwise who are doing it ...
    Still find it hard to believe that there's no practical or even radical use for them.,

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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    #43
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Markcheese wrote: »
    Do they have much of a scrap value ?? By the time the actual cost of scrapping is taken In to account ...
    i don't know but i suppose it would just depend on the market value for any of the metals involved, so its possible they could get feck all for them
    Markcheese wrote: »
    is it IE staff who'd be doing nothing else otherwise who are doing it ...
    no i believe scrapping is put out to tender these days, so following on from this i wonder do IE pay for them to take the carriges away or do the scrap merchants have to pay to buy the carriges?
    Markcheese wrote: »
    Still find it hard to believe that there's no practical or even radical use for them.
    their was before their deliberate destruction, the hourly cork service instead of the mark 4s and enhancing the bellfast service to hourly.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #44
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 13,134 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    end of the road wrote: »
    i don't know but i suppose it would just depend on the market value for any of the metals involved, so its possible they could get feck all for them

    no i believe scrapping is put out to tender these days, so following on from this i wonder do IE pay for them to take the carriges away or do the scrap merchants have to pay to buy the carriages?

    The going rate is round about about €200 per tonne for steel. A Mark 3 weights about 33 tonnes; allow about a tonne or so for floors, windows and other fittings; do your sums from here. The bogies and some fittings might have a slightly higher value assuming a buyer is there for same; if not then they will be cut up as well.

    The normal procedure is to ask for tenders for scrapping. Generally it's done on site and loaded onto trucks to cut costs but it's been known to be done off site as well. NIR scrapped their class 80s on and off site.


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    #45
    GBOA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 131 ✭✭GBOA


    The 450s were chopped in half on site before being taken to the scrapper for further dissection. Some photos are around of same. Think DCDR facebook page has some.


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    #46
    C4Kid
    Registered Users Posts: 479 ✭✭C4Kid


    Just wondering has the RPSI expressed any interest in purchasing a set for preservation or do they just not have the resources for such a venture ?

    As others have said hard to believe they were allowed get to that stage and pulled from service considering so many are still running in the UK.


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    #47
    Cookie_Monster
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    C4Kid wrote: »
    Just wondering has the RPSI expressed any interest in purchasing a set for preservation or do they just not have the resources for such a venture ?

    other priorities for their limited resources I'd imagine, plus a lack of storage space. They would need a lot of work put in to be even usable again given how long they were left to rot.


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    #48
    corktina
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    air conditioned air braked coaches are not a lot of use in preservation


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    #49
    yachtsman
    Registered Users Posts: 74 ✭✭yachtsman


    The site, and sight, in Dundalk for daily commuters and Enterprise passengers is very negative for IE. Imagine Ryanair or Aer Lingus taxiing passengers on a daily basis past derelict dsintegrating aircraft with their logos fading into oblivion? A self respecting transporter would simply not let it happen. Theres obviously no brand pride.


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    #50
    GBOA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 131 ✭✭GBOA


    yachtsman wrote: »
    Theres obviously no brand pride.
    Not a problem, IÉ are onto a new brand now. Not related at all. No sir.


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    #51
    xtradel
    Registered Users Posts: 537 ✭✭✭xtradel


    If a person was to win the euromillions and approach IE, how much would they sell one single coach and would they sell to a private individual?


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    #52
    GBOA
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    If you won Euromillions, I doubt you would need to worry about the actual carriage cost. 5 - 6 thousand € or so if you use Losty's rough guide a few posts ago, plus transport costs.

    Getting IÉ to sell would be the problem unless you had somewhere to put one. A single carriage requires a surprisingly large amount of room to store and I can't imagine your neighbours would be too pleased if you tried sticking a rusting 23m long carriage in your garden!


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    #53
    LoonyLovegood
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    Would they even get €200 a tonne for the steel considering the visible rust that's on many of them?


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    #54
    Victor
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    CTYIgirl wrote: »
    Would they even get €200 a tonne for the steel considering the visible rust that's on many of them?
    If I'm right, the body shells are aluminium (maybe €1,000 per tonne) and the bogeys are steel. Total mass about 40 tonnes x more than 50 carriages.

    Thats a scrap value of at least €400,000.


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    #55
    corktina
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    scrap value for rust is the same as steel afaik.


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    #56
    goingnowhere
    Registered Users Posts: 4,184 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Mk3 is steel

    Weight is 34 tons, of which you have to account for the interior, electrics, ac and so on

    So scrap value is probably around 5-6k


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    #57
    GBOA
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    Victor wrote: »
    If I'm right, the body shells are aluminium (maybe €1,000 per tonne) and the bogeys are steel.
    To the best of my knowledge, the body is a monocoque design of stressed steel fabrication. I'm not entirely sure aluminium would have the required strength.

    EDIT - goingnowhere got there before me.


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    #58
    Losty Dublin
    Registered Users Posts: 13,134 ✭✭✭✭Losty Dublin


    CTYIgirl wrote: »
    Would they even get €200 a tonne for the steel considering the visible rust that's on many of them?

    Almost all iron and steel vehicles, tools and vehicles rust to some degree over time. When smelted, the small amount of rust that you see melts down into steel.


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    #59
    lord lucan
    Registered Users Posts: 9,576 ✭✭✭lord lucan


    Looks like the Dundalk MKIIIs are finally getting the chop. Photo from Track and Signal on twitter.


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    #60
    TheBandicoot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 879 ✭✭✭TheBandicoot


    Any chance you could post a link to the exact Twitter account?


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    #61
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Here you go.

    https://twitter.com/32Milepost/status/432844520447696897/photo/1

    https://twitter.com/32milepost

    IE are downright mad to get rid of them for the chop. I have never been on the Mark IV's at all yet; but I know that the Mark III's are way better in terms of their comfort.


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