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Irish Rail MK3 Coaches - North Wall Update

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    #152
    end of the road
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    SpaceTime wrote: »
    Buying a set of light powercars, doing a refurbishment and rewire might have extended their life for quite a while.

    I'm not sure that the MK4s made a whole lot of sense without buying powercars either though. That was a huge mistake.


    One of the biggest issues that I've heard about anyway seems to be the 201 locomotives causing excessive track wear. They were obviously a mistake from day one as the spec could have been a lot better andb gentler on the infrastructure.
    your talking about irish rail here. that is all

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #153
    Jamie2k9
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    I'm not sure that the MK4s made a whole lot of sense without buying powercars either though. That was a huge mistake.

    Agree about powercars as they were getting a lighting/fast loco to replace 201's on the route but that didn't happen as it was at the start of the crash.

    There is nothing good about the Mark4s apart from the color which looks quiet good. Best in the fleet.


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    #154
    SpaceTime
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,088 ✭✭✭SpaceTime


    Well they've probably got awards for their huge numbers of vast wheelchair accessible talking toilets!
    Shame they didn't put in automatic ramps as while you can get into the toilet no problem in a wheelchair boarding the train is impossible without assistance.


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    #155
    TheBandicoot
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    Seems all has been revealed.http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20141105006215/en/Belmond-Launch-Luxury-Touring-Train-Ireland#.VFp8vMvFLqB

    Converted to a sleeper/observation set to tour Ireland. Presumably IE will operate the actual services?


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    #156
    flyingsnail
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    TheBandicoot wrote: »
    Seems all has been revealed.http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20141105006215/en/Belmond-Launch-Luxury-Touring-Train-Ireland#.VFp8vMvFLqB

    Converted to a sleeper/observation set to tour Ireland. Presumably IE will operate the actual services?

    The article says that IE will provide the haulage and depot services.


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    #157
    corktina
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    what price other touring trains now?

    You'd have to take them seriously when this is their 7th venture.


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    #158
    end of the road
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    TheBandicoot wrote: »
    Seems all has been revealed.http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20141105006215/en/Belmond-Launch-Luxury-Touring-Train-Ireland#.VFp8vMvFLqB

    Converted to a sleeper/observation set to tour Ireland. Presumably IE will operate the actual services?


    amazing that they will be able to get these carriges which were left out in the elements to rot back into service

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #159
    Judgement Day
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    end of the road wrote: »
    amazing that they will be able to get these carriges which were left out in the elements to rot back into service

    Delighted to see this happening but once again it illustrates the criminal waste of scrapping all the other MkIIIs. Heads should roll but they won't and anyway Varadkar who was ultimately responsible has moved on.


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    #160
    end of the road
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    Judgement Day wrote: »
    Varadkar who was ultimately responsible has moved on.

    ah shur what else would we expect apart from the same old same old? nothing changes in the world of irish politics. i agree with you though on the waste. clearly we will probably need more rolling stock to operate services, all though IE moving away from operational convenience and operating the stock on the routes each type is designed for, + growing the cork route again so the mark 4s can come back in full, should help a bit. but we will be waiting i'd say.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #161
    corktina
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    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/new-160m-train-line-is-failing-to-get-passengers-30719976.html

    seen this? passenger figures falling on several lines ...guess which ones!


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    #162
    end of the road
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    corktina wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/new-160m-train-line-is-failing-to-get-passengers-30719976.html

    seen this? passenger figures falling on several lines ...guess which ones!

    well in fairness no surprises there. 2 trains each way on limerick junction down from 3 was always going to see a drop in usage. ballybroaphy, well considering it and the WRC take forever and a day to complete the journey its no surprise hardly anyone uses them. we had the money to save nenagh and limerick junction rosslare but miss management after miss management saw rosslare waterford die and will see limerick ballybroaphy die. maybe even limerick junction waterford also, but i'm holding out hope for that lines survival

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #163
    csd
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    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    VSOE thing is a joke that was taken as truth by some. It's pure fantasy.

    Seems it was true after all!

    /csd


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    #164
    Grandeeod
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    Amusing. Best of luck to them anyway. We shall see. Hopefully it gets lift off.


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    #165
    ClovenHoof
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    TheBandicoot wrote: »
    Seems all has been revealed.http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20141105006215/en/Belmond-Launch-Luxury-Touring-Train-Ireland#.VFp8vMvFLqB

    Converted to a sleeper/observation set to tour Ireland. Presumably IE will operate the actual services?

    I am actually in shock reading this.

    Ireland's first sleeper train service I take it?


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    #166
    Judgement Day
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    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    I am actually in shock reading this.

    Ireland's first sleeper train service I take it?

    Nope, there was some sort of sleeper service - don't ask what route - in the 19th century. Also, I slept in one of the accommodation vans on the weedspray train in Foynes back in 198x - does that count? Had breakfast too! :D


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    #167
    Captain Chaos
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    What I find interesting now is where to store all this stock. I thought IE wanted to sell alot of land around Inchicore and want the RPSI out of there to make room? As it is there is the heritage set, 8 Cravens, 2 Mk1 GSVs and a 141 from them all on site. Then there is IE's stored/withdrawn stock, 13 201s, a few 141s, a 121, all the Alstom DARTs and all the 2700s. And now a rake of 10 Mk3s that will be worked on till 2016 and may be out on the network perhaps twice a year?

    Great to see that a few example of the best coaching stock ever to run in the country will be kept on and refitted.


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    #168
    end of the road
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    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    I thought IE wanted to sell alot of land around Inchicore

    i'd doubt they would get much for it at the moment. frankly i think they should keep some of it and build a full railcar depot so that lock stock and barrel from droghida and portlaoise can be transferred to dublin, but they'res more chance of the world ending. the chance of that is 0

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #169
    ClovenHoof
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,121 ✭✭✭ClovenHoof


    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    What I find interesting now is where to store all this stock.

    As Chinese-Made Razor Blades.


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    #170
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    What I find interesting now is where to store all this stock. I thought IE wanted to sell alot of land around Inchicore and want the RPSI out of there to make room? As it is there is the heritage set, 8 Cravens, 2 Mk1 GSVs and a 141 from them all on site. Then there is IE's stored/withdrawn stock, 13 201s, a few 141s, a 121, all the Alstom DARTs and all the 2700s. And now a rake of 10 Mk3s that will be worked on till 2016 and may be out on the network perhaps twice a year?

    Great to see that a few example of the best coaching stock ever to run in the country will be kept on and refitted.

    Twice a year? Oh no, I think you'll find it used much more than that. There's a huge market for this sort of thing.


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    #171
    corktina
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    end of the road wrote: »
    i'd doubt they would get much for it at the moment. frankly i think they should keep some of it and build a full railcar depot so that lock stock and barrel from droghida and portlaoise can be transferred to dublin, but they'res more chance of the world ending. the chance of that is 0

    where's the logic there? Drogheda and Portlaoise are far better placed to service the fleet and land there is cheaper than Dublin.


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    #172
    Cookie_Monster
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    corktina wrote: »
    where's the logic there? Drogheda and Portlaoise are far better placed to service the fleet and land there is cheaper than Dublin.

    a single location would obviously be better than several from a personnel, resource and equipment duplication point of view, especially for such a small overall fleet.


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    #173
    corktina
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    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    a single location would obviously be better than several from a personnel, resource and equipment duplication point of view, especially for such a small overall fleet.

    Why so? makes no sense to have to keep moving stock through the tunnel with all the capacity problems that raises.


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    #174
    LXFlyer
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    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    What I find interesting now is where to store all this stock. I thought IE wanted to sell alot of land around Inchicore and want the RPSI out of there to make room? As it is there is the heritage set, 8 Cravens, 2 Mk1 GSVs and a 141 from them all on site. Then there is IE's stored/withdrawn stock, 13 201s, a few 141s, a 121, all the Alstom DARTs and all the 2700s. And now a rake of 10 Mk3s that will be worked on till 2016 and may be out on the network perhaps twice a year?

    Great to see that a few example of the best coaching stock ever to run in the country will be kept on and refitted.



    I think you'll find it will be in use far more than that - do you seriously think an organisation is going to spend millions refurbishing the trains to just run them once or twice a year? This is a commercial business that will want to get bang for its buck.


    The three trains in the UK are in use all year round.


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    #175
    Grandeeod
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    http://www.belmond.com/grand-hibernian-train/

    On their site.


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    #176
    Captain Chaos
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    Still s sleeper train in Ireland though?. The longest trip say from Belfast to Cork with a turnaround in Dublin would take about a maximum of 5 hours. And IE don't allow passengers on trains during shunting moves except for Killarney. To me Ireland is too small for a sleeper train imo, but I'm sure the market/business model research has been done.


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    #177
    TheBandicoot
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    Do we know which carriages are involved in this? Presume an EGV is being used?


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    #178
    LXFlyer
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    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    Still s sleeper train in Ireland though?. The longest trip say from Belfast to Cork with a turnaround in Dublin would take about a maximum of 5 hours. And IE don't allow passengers on trains during shunting moves except for Killarney. To me Ireland is too small for a sleeper train imo, but I'm sure the market/business model research has been done.


    The passengers on these tours in the UK often sleep on the train when it is stabled somewhere - not when it's on the move.


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    #179
    ClovenHoof
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    I can't believe a rake of Mk3s has been saved which will add a whole new dimension to the rail network and complaining and moaning goes into overdrive.


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    #180
    corktina
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    It's a very positive move.

    You should be thinking of the train as a mobile hotel, not as a sleeper train. It doesn't matter whether the train is in motion or not. It would be completely acceptable for it to stable somewhere interesting for the evening and then move on at some stage during the night. Passengers could then enjoy a run out around the town and return to their own rooms for the night and wake up somewhere new for breakfast. I'm not really sure how they would fill a while week, but I'm sure they would.

    (What happens to the Cravens now I wonder? too little too late?)


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    #181
    LXFlyer
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    I think the point to make is that this is a luxury touring train hotel - it is not a standard sleeper train that people will travel on overnight.

    It's a very versatile business.

    I think people should look through the company website to see what they offer across the water, which varies wildly in nature, before rushing to judgements about what is on offer. It's not really like anything we have seen in Ireland before.

    http://www.belmond.com/british-pullman-train/
    http://www.belmond.com/northern-belle-train/
    http://www.belmond.com/royal-scotsman-train/

    As I said already, no commercial company is going to stump up the money to refurbish these coaches, which presumably will be several million, to see them lie idle in a siding for much of the year.


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