Carl Froch vs George Groves

donfers

If we're judging on who is landing punches then groves was maybe 4-3 or 4-2 ahead.....if we're judging on who is dominating the ring and throwing wild punches, being aggressive but lacking real technical boxing skills then yes froch was ahead

froch is an average world champion, he lacks technical boxing skills but can take a punch and has good stamina, andre ward would comfortably outbox him - in many ways carl is similar to steve collins, a real warrior in the ring and difficult to stop but top top fighters would outpoint him every time

poor commentary from sky, an ok fight, groves left himself open and was caught - that's boxing

Gringo180

I wanted Groves to win and am gutted for him but fair ballś to Froch the man is a warrior and has a chin made of granite.

kryogen

Thoroughly enjoyed that, what a punch Had the score cards close myself, with Froch ahead but it looked like Groves was starting to really grow into the fight and Bam, goodnight. No controversy with that one

keeponhurling

donfers wrote: »

froch is an average world champion, he lacks technical boxing skills but can take a punch and has good stamina, andre ward would comfortably outbox him - in many ways carl is similar to steve collins, a real warrior in the ring and difficult to stop but top top fighters would outpoint him

Froch v Collins would be a real good fight if they were same era actually, a brutal 12 rounds

kryogen

From memory, since there seems to be an argument about it here, I gave it round 1 Carl, 2 Groves, 3,4 Carl, 5 Carl, 6 Groves, 7 Groves

4-3 Carl going to the 8th for me with Groves starting to really come into it. Rounds were very close though so can see an argument either way

keeponhurling

kryogen wrote: »

From memory, since there seems to be an argument about it here, I gave it round 1 Carl, 2 Groves, 3,4 Carl, 5 Carl, 6 Groves, 7 Groves

4-3 Carl going to the 8th for me with Groves starting to really come into it. Rounds were very close though so can see an argument either way

It's subjective ok.
Wonder when we will hear how the actual judges scored it

amkin25

donfers wrote: »

If we're judging on who is landing punches then groves was maybe 4-3 or 4-2 ahead.....if we're judging on who is dominating the ring and throwing wild punches, being aggressive but lacking real technical boxing skills then yes froch was ahead

froch is an average world champion, he lacks technical boxing skills but can take a punch and has good stamina, andre ward would comfortably outbox him - in many ways carl is similar to steve collins, a real warrior in the ring and difficult to stop but top top fighters would outpoint him every time

poor commentary from sky, an ok fight, groves left himself open and was caught - that's boxing

Pretty much agree with you i wouldn't rate froch too highly myself,but groves was far too soft in both fights for me,he got knocked out here and collapsed in the last fight albeit a terrible decision but he was starting to fail in the later rounds,so i would have been swaying towards froch here on the cards on control because he looked to be doing more damage when he got in,but groves was coming on strong in 7 and 8 in this fight.

sid waddell

Gringo180 wrote: »

I wanted Groves to win and am gutted for him but fair ballś to Froch the man is a warrior and has a chin made of granite.

Strongest jaw I've seen in British sport since David Coulthard.

RoryMac

keeponhurling wrote: »

It's subjective ok.
Wonder when we will hear how the actual judges scored it

BBC 5 Live tweeted that 2 judges had Froch ahead and the other had Groves, didn't give the actual scores

kryogen

keeponhurling wrote: »

It's subjective ok.
Wonder when we will hear how the actual judges scored it

The score cards will come out yeah

sham69

Had a few quid on froch to do it in round 8 , delighted...
Thought froch was at least 3 rounds ahead.
George didn't look half as good as he did in the last fight.
Have to say I thought froch was looking tired just before the knockdown, sure what do I know

As for Amir khan, wtf?

keeponhurling

sham69 wrote: »

As for Amir khan, wtf?

What did he do ?

nocoverart

sid waddell wrote: »

Strongest jaw I've seen in British sport since David Coulthard.

Strong rumours going around that NASA want to launch rockets from that jaw onto Mars.

kryogen

sham69 wrote: »

Had a few quid on froch to do it in round 8 , delighted...
Thought froch was at least 3 rounds ahead.
George didn't look half as good as he did in the last fight.
Have to say I thought froch was looking tired just before the knockdown, sure what do I know

As for Amir khan, wtf?

Don't ruin the parade with stupid aftertiming, nobody cares and its sad

jonnny68

Best man won no question about it.

Froch should retire, it's unlikely to ever get as good as this again.

kryogen

keeponhurling wrote: »

What did he do ?

Said Groves was controlling the fight and ahead when he was asked in between rounds earlier, not how I saw the fight at the time, Froch was controlling the ring imo Groves at the stage was looking for pot shots and bits here and there, no rhythm or control at all. He came into it more after but at that point it sounded mental to me from Khan

sham69

keeponhurling wrote: »

What did he do ?

Sounded pissed, said groves was controlling the fight?

sham69

kryogen wrote: »

Don't ruin the parade with stupid aftertiming, nobody cares and its sad

Not sure what you mean by this?
I was watching the fight with the missus , had a few beers, put some bets on earlier and won a few quid?

Have been watching boxing since I was a kid, don't know much about it but enjoy watching it?
Wasn't being smart?

Sorry I am misunderstanding your comment, few beers and all that.

not yet

bumper234 wrote: »

Free when you know how:D

mediocre fight but what a finish.

Jaysus Chops do you pay for anything..

Froch that the fight under control from the 3rd, He was never going to lose it.

Too Tough To Die

sham69 wrote: »

Sounded pissed, said groves was controlling the fight?

Froch and Khan don't get along.

sham69

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

Froch and Khan don't get along.

Didn't know that, explains it so.
Was funny when the guy said "you mean froch, and he said no"
Silence when they went back to the commentary

user2011

sham69 wrote: »

Thought froch was at least 3 rounds ahead.

I'm not a boxing fan until a big fight comes up but wtf? and I even missed the first round.. My viewing was a 4-3 to either fighter, but had it scored as HBO they had Grooves 4-0 heading the 5th and it was hard to argue with it.

willmunny1990

jonnny68 wrote: »

Best man won no question about it.

Froch should retire, it's unlikely to ever get as good as this again.

Id like to see him take on Degale and flatten him.

80s Child

Can someone pm me a link please

Never mind...too late.. typical.

sham69

user2011 wrote: »

I'm not a boxing fan until a big fight comes up but wtf? and I even missed the first round.. My viewing was a 4-3 to either fighter, but had it scored as HBO they had Grooves 4-0 heading the 5th and it was hard to argue with it.

Rounds were pretty close though...

sham69

I knew there was a reason I don't post in this thread very often.
I seem to have upset a few people with my bad after timing and preposterous round scoring.

I've learned my lesson though.

Pighead

Post fight press conference live on youtube for anybody interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UqxpqHujlo&feature=youtu.be

user2011

sham69 wrote: »

Rounds were pretty close though...

Don't think they were that close, from when I tuned in Grooves was 3-0 up, hbo had given the first to Grooves but from the 5th on it was all Froch the body punches were effecting Grooves big time which imo lead to the knock out.

But my reply to Froch being 3 ahead was nuts. The same as him predicting the finish in the 8th

kryogen

No way Groves won that first round, it was close alright, but Froch was the aggressor and had control, he also landed the better punches imo. Wouldnt be the first time HBO scoring was a bit off anyway

St890

kryogen wrote: »

No way Groves won that first round, it was close alright, but Froch was the aggressor and had control, he also landed the better punches imo. Wouldnt be the first time HBO scoring was a bit off anyway

No way, Groves landed more punches and the best punches. Froch took about a minute to even throw his first punch.

googled eyes

Fairplay Groves.

user2011

Like I said I didn't see the first so it was 4-3 to either fighter heading into the 8th round, it was not Froch 3 rounds up in anyone's eyes imo

When I tuned into the fight, Grooves went 3-0 until the 5th round then I had Froch winning the next rounds until the KO in the 8th.

IRE60

Same as last time, GG all steam in the first few, but experience counts. Your mouth doesn't win fights!

kryogen

user2011 wrote: »

Like I said I didn't see the first so it was 4-3 to either fighter heading into the 8th round, it was not Froch 3 rounds up in anyone's eyes imo

When I tuned into the fight, Grooves went 3-0 until the 5th round then I had Froch winning the next rounds until the KO in the 8th.

I already gave my round by round, but yeah 4-3 Froch going into the 8th is how I had it too

user2011

kryogen wrote: »

I already gave my round by round, but yeah 4-3 Froch going into the 8th is how I had it too

I took your post (probably wrong) that you were disagreeing with mine, we move swiftly on

Imo the right man won what ever about the first fight it has been put to bed tonight.

supersean1999

Had it 1-2 up for groves. Did not get fooled by jim watt and the pro froch commentary. Well done froch u won fair amd square. I hate judging . But he has been so lucky. Calzaghe would of beat him every round. A fit robin reid would of beat him. Richie woodall . Close fight. Benn and eubank would of beat him. And imo collins he would of beaten. He is imo the most overrated fighter ever.

supersean1999

Anyone who knows anything about boxing. Please dont judge froch as been a world beater by tonight. Sky so robbed the people its unreal. James degale. Best 12st. Fighter on show tonight by mile. And i dont really like him

FTA69

Groves was slightly ahead on the cards going into the eighth, without sounding like a dick, anyone who says Froch was "dominating" the fight hasn't a bloody clue.

amkin25

FTA69 wrote: »

Groves was slightly ahead on the cards going into the eighth, without sounding like a dick, anyone who says Froch was "dominating" the fight hasn't a bloody clue.

I wouldn't say dominanting completely but to me up until round 7 and 8 i thought he was controlling the fight,and really i think its hard for anyone to say groves ever looked like winning this fight from round 1,possibly like i say he he planted some seeds of doubt around 7 and 8 rounds but still i always felt froch was winning and going to win .
There is no doubting groves is a silkier boxer and froch's style isn't very appealing but groves didn't do near the damage or put in the workload he did in the first fight.

supersean1999

amkin25 wrote: »

I wouldn't say dominanting completely but to me up until round 7 and 8 i thought he was controlling the fight,and really i think its hard for anyone to say groves ever looked like winning this fight from round 1,possibly like i say he he planted some seeds of doubt around 7 and 8 rounds but still i always felt froch was winning and going to win .
There is no doubting groves is a silkier boxer and froch's style isn't very appealing but groves didn't do near the damage or put in the workload he did in the first fight.

In fairness u are right. U always thought froch would win

amkin25

supersean1999 wrote: »

In fairness u are right. U always thought froch would win

Exactly that's what count's sean,and we both know im usually on the money.

supersean1999

Froch has to fight ward again

amkin25

Personally i wouldn't be mad to see froch fight again,he should retire after this fight,his style isn't worth paying to watch and can't see him beating ward,but money talks and sky could sell a big pay per view versus ward so probably will happen.

supersean1999

amkin25 wrote: »

Exactly that's what count's sean,and we both know im usually on the money.

U think your on the money. I think u guessed right. 😃 froch has to want to fight ward again. And lose

supersean1999

amkin25 wrote: »

Personally i wouldn't be mad to see froch fight again,he should retire after this fight,his style isn't worth paying to watch and can't see him beating ward,but money talks and sky could sell a big pay per view versus ward so probably will happen.

Sky wont sell. There fighter losing. De gale is the next fight he has to take.and he will lose it

amkin25

supersean1999 wrote: »

U think your on the money. I think u guessed right. 😃 froch has to want to fight ward again. And lose

I backed up my guess with a bet,there isn't much sure things in life but froch winning this fight was one of the surest bets i have seen in a long time.

supersean1999

amkin25 wrote: »

I backed up my guess with a bet,there isn't much sure things in life but froch winning this fight was one of the surest bets i have seen in a long time.

Only after u won. I bet u wish u bet more. Nothing is sure in boxing trust me

Officer999

Officer999 wrote: »

How can people honestly think Groves is going to win this??

Groves is a brilliant fighter, no doubts about that. And he was excellent in the first fight. But he threw everything he had at Froch, and still he couldn't beat Froch. Yes he was winning on the scorecard when it was stopped, but he was tiring big time, Froch was getting the upper hand. Everyone could see Froch becoming better as the fight was going on.

I've never seen Froch fight as bad as that night.....yet he still won. He will improve so much on that performance.
Groves was excellent on that night....still lost.

I don't think Groves can improve on that performance....i really don't. Froch took his eye off the ball that night going into the fight, completely underestimated Groves. He won't make that mistake again. Froch to win with a stoppage after 9/10 rounds

Off by a round but proved right. Welcome to a real fight George...

supersean1999

Officer999 wrote: »

Off by a round but proved right. Welcome to a real fight George...

. Amazing

amkin25

supersean1999 wrote: »

Only after u won. I bet u wish u bet more. Nothing is sure in boxing trust me

One of the surest bets i said,obviously in betting nothing is 100% sure or then it wouldn't be betting,but this was a solid bet,it was only when i was on a similiar thread a few days back,and seen people talking about betting on groves that i realized froch wasn't as short as i thought he would be.
I thought he would be something like 1-5 for the win to be honest,not 4-6 and 5-4 by knockout great value considering the way the first fight panned out for people that payed attention,obviously officer999 did as he was spot on.