Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/2014

mav79

opr wrote: »

Shelevy off now after scoring from that wonder strike. I know others have said he likes to put in performances against rubbish sides which is true but he has been nothing short of unbelievable tonight. It's not just that his passing has been good but he has dictated play from the centre with short, long, first time passing etc. He has slowed it down or played it short when needed showing real maturity. Honestly a little scared we may have made a mistake watching him tonight. He's been around so long that it's crazy to think he's still only 21.

Opr

Shelvey looked good tonight but I was impressed with Will Hughes in the centre, very composed and only 18. Always available for the ball and rarely gave the ball away.

plannerscanner

Now Rodgers: As I said before I wasn't jumping for joy on his arrival but in all honesty Liverpool at the time was not an attractive proposition for top level managers across the continent. An up and coming manager with a clear footballing philosophy was the best LFC could expect and I believe that we may have got one of the better of these.

I was disappointed that BR stuk very rigidly to his gameplan at the start of last season, with players who were clearly uncomfortable with the system being made the scapegoats, only for a more pragmatic approach rejuvenating a clearly failing Jamie Carragher. You might guess that I feel Skertl has been hard done by and still hold out hope for some redemption there.

This is where my criticisms end for now. BR has been very impressive in relation to 'bitegate' and the Suarez exit situation. He has handled the press extremely well while all the time using his position in the medias eye to continue to push FSG into completing some more meaningful transfers before 02/09/13.

Whilst I want to see BR revert to a closer form of his footballing plan (need to play higher up the pitch) and hope that his new sense of pragmatism shown since the turn of the year continues to influence his decisions. I don't mind a young manager but a naive one is unacceptable.

Francie Barrett

opr wrote: »

Shelevy off now after scoring from that wonder strike. I know others have said he likes to put in performances against rubbish sides which is true but he has been nothing short of unbelievable tonight. It's not just that his passing has been good but he has dictated play from the centre with short, long, first time passing etc. He has slowed it down or played it short when needed showing real maturity. Honestly a little scared we may have made a mistake watching him tonight. He's been around so long that it's crazy to think he's still only 21.

Opr

It's maddening. The final straw with him for me was the European Championships where England lost all three games and Shelvey was a disgrace. I thought if he was going to play like that at under-21 level, he was of no use to us. His real test will come in the Premier League though, so let's not panic too much just yet.

kingshankly

kingshankly wrote: »

So do I but its value say you did 10 shops got 1000 on layed 1250 on betfair @3/1 (current price but need more liquidity ) you win 250 either way

I like your way of thinking

NabyLadistheman

Francie Barrett wrote: »

It's maddening. The final straw with him for me was the European Championships where England lost all three games and Shelvey was a disgrace. I thought if he was going to play like that at under-21 level, he was of no use to us. His real test will come in the Premier League though, so let's not panic too much just yet.

That's Shelvey, will look like a world beater on occasion but he does not have the mentality to make it at the highest level

Raif Severance

Some Twitter News...

Steven Gerrard on Suarez.

Paul Burke ‏@burkov_p 8m

SG (whilst sittin beside Wilshire) "I'm very confident Suarez won't be playing with anyone else in England" (wit a little smirk)

@Mootaz_LFC: More on Steven Gerrad's England press conference where he talked about Suarez

Guilherme Siqueira.

MrBoywunder ‏@MrBoywunder 1m
The first offer made for Guilherme Siqueira by #LFC has been rejected though a deal should be found before the end of the week. (Fichajes)

MrBoywunder ‏@MrBoywunder 1m
Guilherme Siqueira has accepted the terms offered by #LFC. (Fichajes)

LFC Reinforcements.

MrBoywunder ‏@MrBoywunder 7m
Neil Jones said yesterday that the club want a centre back, left back, winger and another attacker. That's one down.

Martin Skrtel to Napoli?

@LFCTransferNRS: Napoli have an agreement with Martin Skrtel but will have to wait until next week to negotiate a deal with Liverpool. (Gazzetta dello Sport)

LFC over Denmark.

Robin Bylund ‏@robinbylundLFC 19m
Agger told Danish boss Morten Olsen that he prefered to play today's friendly instead of joining for international duty. #clubeforecountry

Sakho?

The Anfield Insider ‏@AnfieldInsider_ 6m
Le #Parisien claim #Liverpool have submitted an £8m bid for #PSG defender Mamadou #Sakho. The player has one year remaining on his contract.

Bad Kermit.

SLICKRICK ‏@YBE_UK 1m
COUTINHO & STURRIDGE #LFC #COUTINHO #STURRIDGE

YouTookMyName

plannerscanner

Transfers: Transfer season has been a bit 'meh' - but not just for LFC. It seems we are still awaiting that one big deal to open the floodgates. Like many of the mid-table teams LFC wrapped up a few early deals. Whilst I don't believe there was much in the way of rivals for Aspas/Alberto/Toure, the signing of Mignolet was very impressive and I believed a clear statement of intent at the time. I was never in any doubt that Reina would be leaving and to be honest was has transpired is the best outcome for all parties - I'm not sure why he needed to make an issue of it.

At the time of the MKH push I championed him partly in ignorance partly in fear. Ignorance of the player bar a few internationals against ROI and fear that LFC might end up with the ever-overhyped Eriksen (this may come back to bite me). At this stage it seems Coutinho will be trusted in the No.10 role. I didnt see anything in pre-season game sI hadn't seen in the EPL last year so not sure what has changed BR's mind - perhaps he agrees that the Dane won't cut it and the tranfer committee have exhausted their list of potential No. 10's.

My desire to see Skrtel given another chance is most unlikely to happen and that being the case a CB is a top priority for BR. Agger is loyal and classy on the ball but a commanding CB he is not. Does all this responsibility fall on Toure's shoulders? And if injuries arise as they are wont to do in Agger and Toure does anyone really trust Wisdom/Kelly to step into the centre of the defense of a team with ambitions for a top 4 position.

djPSB

murpho999 wrote: »

Anyone else feel that Downing leaving is like a new signing?

Rodgers best bit of business this summer.

djPSB

Raif Severance wrote: »

Winger. HM would play CAM, but because of his Skill and Pace, he can Interchange with any of the Wing.


Before


Based on Rodger's Comments, he sees Coutinho as our 10. That means Wingers/Wide Forwards are what we are after.

Based on Rodger's Comments, Mignolet was signed as competition for Reina.

Raif Severance

djPSB wrote: »

Based on Rodger's Comments, Mignolet was signed as competition for Reina.

Until Rafa came-a-calling.

djPSB

kingshankly wrote: »

Did anyone avail of Boyles special today 4/1 liverpool to finish top 4 price is normally 2/1 only thing was its a 100 euro limit but nothing to stop you going to different Boyles shops.
Great arbing opportunity if nothing else

So that means if you put on €100, you lose €100.

djPSB

kingshankly wrote: »

So do I but its value say you did 10 shops got 1000 on layed 1250 on betfair @3/1 (current price but need more liquidity ) you win 250 either way

Are you saying that Liverpool are 3/1 not to finish in the top 4 on betfair?

niallo27

djPSB wrote: »

Are you saying that Liverpool are 3/1 not to finish in the top 4 on betfair?

To win 250 on the exchange you need to risk 750.
If you put on 200 with paddypower you win 800.

So if liverpool get top 4 you will lose 750 with the exchange but win 800 with paddypower and if they dont get top 4 you win 250 off the exchange and lose 200 to paddypower. Your up 50 either way.

Devilman40k

djPSB wrote: »

Rodgers best bit of business this summer.

Still doesn't top how he managed to get rid of the English Messi

Devilman40k

Raif Severance wrote: »

Some Twitter News...

Guilherme Siqueira.


Sakho?

If we manage to get both for under £15m that is seriously good business there.

Hoki

Mr Alan wrote: »

This seems to be missed by the usual suspects.

Have you missed the possible reasons given for this ? It has been explained by a few already.

Kerrigooney

plannerscanner wrote: »

My desire to see Skrtel given another chance is most unlikely to happen and that being the case a CB is a top priority for BR. Agger is loyal and classy on the ball but a commanding CB he is not. Does all this responsibility fall on Toure's shoulders? And if injuries arise as they are wont to do in Agger and Toure does anyone really trust Wisdom/Kelly to step into the centre of the defense of a team with ambitions for a top 4 position.

Welcome to the asylum

The part I've bolded is a huge problem imo.

It's hard to believe Agger went all last season without a serious injury. Will we be that lucky again I wonder? He was terrible on occasion last year as well. I love the guy but he loses concentration too easily for my liking.

Wisdom did not look good against Celtic but anyone can have a bad day at the office I suppose. Still...it wouldn't fill you with confidence.

Kelly? Well I keep hearing he'd be a great centre back but I don't think I've seen him play there yet. Again a big gamble.

A centre back has to be bought. Has to be.

EDIT: Never even mentioned Coates or Skrtel. Coates doesn't seem to be good enough and Rodgers hates Skrtel. Or so it seems.

klose

Barett is saying we want willian :eek:

djPSB

djPSB wrote: »

So that means if you put on €100, you lose €100.

Not if you lay it off on betfair as was his point

klose

klose wrote: »

Barett is saying we want willian :eek:

Barrett talks nonsense these days so I wouldn't put too much trust in him

plannerscanner

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Welcome to the asylum

The part I've bolded is a huge problem imo.

It's hard to believe Agger went all last season without a serious injury. Will we be that lucky again I wonder? He was terrible on occasion last year as well. I love the guy but he loses concentration too easily for my liking.

Wisdom did not look good against Celtic but anyone can have a bad day at the office I suppose. Still...it wouldn't fill you with confidence.

Kelly? Well I keep hearing he'd be a great centre back but I don't think I've seen him play there yet. Again a big gamble.

A centre back has to be bought. Has to be.

Glad there is some sense been shown on this issue - I know people worry about upheaval but to be honest £25m would be idiotic to turn down for Agger. If Sakho is as good as some make out then let's get him and another stable CB as well.

5starpool

klose wrote: »

Barett is saying we want willian :eek:

If we are in for him, our recent negotiating skills don't fill me with confidence that we will offer a sufficient package to beat others to his signature.

Kerrigooney

klose wrote: »

Barett is saying we want willian :eek:

Is he better than Will I Am?

plannerscanner

plannerscanner wrote: »

Glad there is some sense been shown on this issue - I know people worry about upheaval but to be honest £25m would be idiotic to turn down for Agger. If Sakho is as good as some make out then let's get him and another stable CB as well.

Where you getting 25m from?

15m is the most I've seen confirmed

djPSB

klose wrote: »

Barett is saying we want willian :eek:

I want Mila Kunis.

Kerrigooney

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Is he better than Will I Am?

He's from Cambodia

Raif Severance

klose wrote: »

Barett is saying we want willian :eek:

Maybe he'd just seen the Willian Interview from 2012?

MrBoywunder ‏@MrBoywunder 8m
Willian in 2012: "Despite all their [#LFC] problems they have a great chance to get back to the top of English football again."

Willian in 2012: "He [Lucas] spoke so highly about Anfield and we saw that the facilities behind the scenes are fantastic."

Kerrigooney

plannerscanner wrote: »

Glad there is some sense been shown on this issue - I know people worry about upheaval but to be honest £25m would be idiotic to turn down for Agger. If Sakho is as good as some make out then let's get him and another stable CB as well.

No,no,I don't want to see him sold. I think we've sold more than enough.

Kerrigooney

rarnes1 wrote: »

He's from Cambodia

Is that in the Northern or Southern hemisphere?

These details can be important.

Devilman40k

Ok so ... say Siqueira, Sakho and Willian all arrive for c50m, how good are our top 4 prospects then?

Even I would have to admit that it was not just a good transfer window but probably the best one since Torres arrived

plannerscanner

rarnes1 wrote: »

Where you getting 25m from?

15m is the most I've seen confirmed

Sorry, I'll rephrase - if they go to £25m then it can't be sniffed at

Kerrigooney wrote: »

No,no,I don't want to see him sold. I think we've sold more than enough.

Perhaps a bit late in the day but it's something to think about over the next 12 months - Agger for all his positives can def be improved upon

Vicxas

Devilman40k wrote: »

Ok so ... say Siqueira, Sakho and Willian all arrive for c50m, how good are our top 4 prospects then?

Even I would have to admit that it was not just a good transfer window but probably the best one since Torres arrived

That would be amazing

plannerscanner

plannerscanner wrote: »

Sorry, I'll rephrase - if they go to £25m then it can't be sniffed at



Perhaps a bit late in the day but it's something to think about over the next 12 months - Agger for all his positives can def be improved upon

You could only sell him if you picked up a superior replacement. I think keeping him and adding a top CB would be a better call

Kerrigooney

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Is that in the Northern or Southern hemisphere?

These details can be important.

Western

Kerrigooney

Vicxas wrote: »

That would be amazing

It would.

Not gonna happen tho.

Gbear

Is that this Willian?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willian_Borges_da_Silva

He doesn't score goals.

klose

Gbear wrote: »

Is that this Willian?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willian_Borges_da_Silva

He doesn't score goals.

Wiki only shows league apps and goals i think?

tok9

With the ways things have gone this summer I'm not getting my hopes up regarding any signings until it's confirmed on the Official website. Already been let down by Micky in particular (even though I know little of him) and to a lesser extent Cissokho.

Definitely need to get some first team quality in though. I was talking to a friend who supports Spurs today and we were going through the team. They really do have a very good squad there.

Courtesy Flush

klose wrote: »

Wiki only shows league apps and goals i think?

Arent they the most important ones ?

Gbear

klose wrote: »

Wiki only shows league apps and goals i think?

League, cup and Europe.

According to that he's a 1 in 7 player. He'd have to be contributing 20 assists a season to make up for that. Or start scoring for the first time in his career.

Courtesy Flush

tok9 wrote: »

With the ways things have gone this summer I'm not getting my hopes up regarding any signings until it's confirmed on the Official website. Already been let down by Micky in particular (even though I know little of him) and to a lesser extent Cissokho.

Definitely need to get some first team quality in though. I was talking to a friend who supports Spurs today and we were going through the team. They really do have a very good squad there.

Its hard to say how we will finish ahead of Spurs this season given our two teams at the moment, very hard

whatawaster

Gbear wrote: »

League, cup and Europe.

According to that he's a 1 in 7 player. He'd have to be contributing 20 assists a season to make up for that. Or start scoring for the first time in his career.

He scored a very decent amount of goals for a winger every season in Ukraine pretty much

El Inho

djPSB wrote: »

Rodgers best bit of business this summer.

ive been critical of downing myself, but to celebrate his leaving is a bit over the top. great attitude, and offered a lot more in his play than many seem to want to admit.

Local_Chap

YouTookMyName wrote: »

3 former Liverpool players. I haven't seen Joe Cole look that good since his Chelsea days

skywalker

Gbear wrote: »

League, cup and Europe.

According to that he's a 1 in 7 player. He'd have to be contributing 20 assists a season to make up for that. Or start scoring for the first time in his career.

Was going to say the same when I had a look at his stats. Admittedly I havent seen much of him, but its very hard to see what makes him a 30m rated winger with those stats.

murpho999

El Inho wrote: »

ive been critical of downing myself, but to celebrate his leaving is a bit over the top. great attitude, and offered a lot more in his play than many seem to want to admit.

What did he offer?

Hoki

So people are criticising Willian now, are ye doing this based on what you saw on wiki? The guy is class & yes i have seen him play. He would improve any team in the premier league imo.

Gbear

whatawaster wrote: »

He scored a very decent amount of goals for a winger every season in Ukraine pretty much

1 in 7 isn't very decent.

We need a player who'll contribute 10-15. Willian has never done that. And that's in the wanky Ukrainian league.

If someone else could make the case (not that it's likely we'll sign him anyway) based on having seen him then fair enough but if we're going to be spending 20m quid or whatever I'd be a bit worried.

plannerscanner

rarnes1 wrote: »

You could only sell him if you picked up a superior replacement. I think keeping him and adding a top CB would be a better call

It may well be a 12 month search but if Agger can generate at least £20m next summer then you would be hard pressed not to spend that money intelligently