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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/2014
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LuckyLloyd wrote: »But it's bad thinking to say 'well we tried that once, so let's never do it again'. The attitude / idea was the right attitude / idea, the execution was piss poor. You identify how to improve upon the execution process and you go back to work.
If they sanctioned a big investment during 2011 they obviously did so because they believed the squad required it. When it failed the squad would therefore still have required it!!
To then change tack and say 'okay, small money moves for players with resale only' ultimately means 'we've stopped trying to compete for now'.
And people can talk about moneyball, means and patience and that's fine if they're willing to settle in for a half decade more at least outside of the CL. Some people have indeed expressed that very opinion on here over the past week.
But other people are backing the post 2011 approach in the market and at the same time hoping we increase points haul in the league towards the 70 mark. Like, I'm obviously no Rodgers fan but I'd have to say that he hasn't got the full backing from FSG that he requires - accepting that some of Rodger's targets have performed poorly thus far.
Excellent post and points the real issue back to its source which are FSG.
I read this earlier which at the end of the day is only one guys idea of what might be going on,but I found it good and potential strategies FSG might be taking:Anybody who buys a distressed asset does so primarily because they think they are getting a knockdown price. But you only get the benefit of that price when you sell. In any other field of business you would therefore reasonably assume that the buyers have their eye on a sale at some point. But people lose track of that in football because of of the distraction by non-commercial considerations like emotion, allegiance, tribalism, and fans demanding that the owners splash money everywhere.
At the time of sale there were three or four obvious ways of FSG ramping up the value of the club:
1. Just sorting it out and making it a viable business, as opposed to an insolvent basket-case haemorrhaging money on loan interest.
2. Realising the commercial potential of the brand.
3. Sorting out the stadium (i.e. 'match day income').
4. Improving on-pitch performance (which always boils down to Champions League).
You can see them taking steps on all these fronts. However, they have learned painfully that 4 is not easy at all, and can't be fixed by chucking £100m at it. So if they do plan to sell then that might be the one that they decide is too hard and don't have the appetite to take on.
To me the logical point to sell is therefore when they have cast-iron resolution on the stadium. I don't know when that is: is it when they have the planning permission and all the neighbouring properties sorted out? Is it once they have secured the funding and put building contracts etc. in place? Or is it once they have actually built the thing? But given that all of them take time, and they can progress 1 and 2 substantially in the meantime (and any progress on 4 is a bonus), then my guess is that once the value of a new/refurbished stadium is concretely realised then that might be the point at which they exit.
BTW even if that point is 2/3 years off, it would be no surprise if they were sounding out (multiple) potential purchasers now.
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Something still nags at me about these owners and even though they deny rumours and that they are only getting started something tells me they won't be in for the long haul.
I think you have touched in this with the lack of support for Rodgers etc.
A reasonable amount of time has passed since the purchase, and a lot of eyes or on them now. This window should tell us an awful lot.0 -
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Suarez wasnt exactly being courted by a lot of clubs when he signed for us.
In fact, iirc there was negligible interest by anyone bar us.
I'll ignore the Assaidi comment
You're right with the above however. This is the only reason we landed Suarez IMO. There was little to no interest at least in regards to bids for him from other clubs, namely Champions League clubs even after his performances for Uruguay in World Cup 2010 and for Ajax themselves! Why? His on the pitch antics put off a lot of clubs. He's generally remembered fondly by Ajax fans now but at the time of his move and in the months leading up to it there were quite a few who were glad to rid of him too and accused him of engineering a move away from Ajax in that last 6 months to a year.0 -
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He has said the exact opposite actually
"We probably need a bit more support - that extra bit of quality - at the top end of the field and that's something we'll look out for.
"That'll be mixed with needing cover in the left-back position - that's something we're looking at. It's not really about numbers, it's about quality."
"If we can do that over the next number of weeks we'll be happy."0 -
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Francie Barrett wrote: »Rodgers wrote:“Defensively, I think we’ll be fine,” Rodgers said.
“Kolo has been terrific since he came in here. He may be 32 years of age but he’s super fit and in great condition.
“He’s a player who has looked after himself all his life. His age is no barrier and he’s someone with a winning mentality.
“He’s someone we felt could come in and support the group with his experience and his qualities.
“I’ve looked at him over the course of his career and watched him a lot last year. Having seen him first hand since he joined the club, he will be very good for us this season.
“We have a number of other outstanding centre-halves in Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel. We also have an up-and-coming top talent in Andre Wisdom who will be a very good centre-half for Liverpool in the future. And we still have Sebastian Coates too.”
Most recent update from Brendan. He talks a lot so its hard to keep up i know
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Francie Barrett wrote: »
He more recently said this:"Defensively, I think we'll be fine.
"Kolo has been terrific since he came in here. He may be 32 years of age but he's super fit and in great condition," he added.
"He's a player who has looked after himself all his life. His age is no barrier and he's someone with a winning mentality. He's someone we felt could come in and support the group with his experience and his qualities." said the Northern Irishman.
"I've looked at him over the course of his career and watched him a lot last year. Having seen him first hand since he joined the club, he will be very good for us this season.
"We have a number of other outstanding centre-halves in Daniel Agger and Martin Skrtel. We also have an up-and-coming top talent in Andre Wisdom, who will be a very good centre-half for Liverpool in the future. And we still have Sebastian Coates too."0 -
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Most recent update from Brendan. He talks a lot so its hard to keep up i know
The only thing you can take for certain from those quotes is he doesn't think much of 5th in the pecking order Coates. If I was his agent I would be busy looking for another club, in a world cup year for Uruguay he needs games.0 -
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Allen + Borini = 25 mil that could have been used on a "marquee signing"......not knocking those young players but i would argue, if we gave both of them a miss and bought a quality player last year for 20 mil + we'd have been better off. He has spent money but he has had to slash cost also though.....
I know Borini hasn't really worked out so far but given the lack of options for the front 4 and the whole Dempsey mess, we'd have all been going mad if we at least didn't have him as an option last September. As for Allen, whatever about the cost and his quality, we are light enough for CM options even with him, we'd sold Adam as well.
For me we've addressed the front 4 options quite well, which is why I don't see the need to spend big on an AM, CB and a DM would be the priorities for me.Nuri Sahin wrote: »I'll ignore the Assaidi comment
You're right with the above however. This is the only reason we landed Suarez IMO. There was little to no interest at least in regards to bids for him from other clubs, namely Champions League clubs even after his performances for Uruguay in World Cup 2010 and for Ajax themselves! Why? His on the pitch antics put off a lot of clubs. He's generally remembered fondly by Ajax fans now but at the time of his move and in the months leading up to it there were quite a few who were glad to rid of him too and accused him of engineering a move away from Ajax in that last 6 months to a year.
I'd read a blog piece suggesting he was an Ayre signing and there was some politics going on because of that. Makes some sense.Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.
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I have a feeling that next year our problems will be similar to the last 2 seasons - failing to break down teams that are happy playing for a draw.
Or more specifically, being wasteful and having a chance conversion % right down there with the worst in the league. At first I thought it was just bad luck, but the frequency it happens (and often the inevitability of it happening) suggests we're just not quite good enough in the final third.
If we could even get this % up to 7th or 8th best in the league we would see a massive points improvement, as we match or better some of the best teams in the other metrics.
Worst player I've seen play for Liverpool I think.
Someone like Traore gets a lot of stick, but he did his best with limited abilities.
Nunez, like you said, was totally apathetic. Awful.
I'll see your Nunez, and raise you one Mr Jimmy Carter.
Carter trumps pretty much all our crap players for me, because not only did he fool Kenny Dalglish into buying him for 800k in 1991, he somehow then managed to then fool George Graham into buying him for 500k for Arsenal later the same year.
800K might not sound a big transfer nowadays, but in 1991 it was still a decent transfer fee and the biggest that the club had paid another British club at that point for a player was the 1.9m Beardsley cost.
Can still remember watching one of his first games for the club. Was like the club had grabbed some random lad of the street and put him on the wing. He went straight into a Liverpool team that was sitting on top of the league and managed to nulify our attacking threat on that flank all by himself. The other teams could have played with no full back on that side and the sod probably still would have lost the ball.0 -
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