Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/2014

audman

audman wrote: »

Signings are made on paper, trees are used to make paper, Kess can see the wood from the trees. So tell us Kess, who should we sign IF our current signings don't already do it for you?

I like the cut of your jib

audman

rarnes1 wrote: »

I like the cut of your jib

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cut%20of%20your%20jib

xo

jesus_thats_gre

murpho999 wrote: »

All well and good disagreeing with someone over stupid points but to dismiss someone's coherently expressed viewpoint with that smug smiley is rude and arrogant in my opinion.

Given the general treatment that his perfectly reasonable posts generally receive, your post is somewhat ironic.

K-9

5starpool wrote: »

Dismiss it as hogwash and bad writing all ye want, but there is more than a kernal of truth to it, and the longer Liverpool are a 5th-8th place team in the PL (I included 5th despite us finishing below that for the last 4 years), the truer it becomes. Diminishing status combined with the drive to pay lower wages but higher performance bonuses is a bad combination for Liverpool and can only be addressed by higher achievements.

There's an element of truth to it, it is anti-Rodgers football porn for others.

There isn't a hell of a lot else to say about, nice bull**** piece, the odd truth to it, mostly crap.

Kess73

rarnes1 wrote: »

Kess, you're a poster who can see the wood from the trees. Would you agree current signings alone just isn't good enough.

I reckon my take would be quite similar to that of the majority of posters on here.


I think we have improved our depth in the attacking third of the pitch in terms of cover, improved our goalkeeper, but stood still in midfield and in the back line.


We need, imo of course, a quality centre back, a quality central midfielder, and a bonus on top of the first two would be either a quality AM or Winger/Wing forward.

If Suarez goes, then we would need further strengthening again.


If the squad stays as it is right now, then it will take some serious overachieving to even compete for a CL slot next season. For my money we are probably two first team quality signings away from it being a good transfer window.

Kess73

PRAF wrote: »

Who is Paulinho going to replace? Parker or Huddlestone?

Think the bigger question for Huddlestone and Parker would be which one gets to sit on the bench if neither are sold this summer.


Actually like Huddlestone a lot as a player, and think that he could come really good again with the right move.

Kess73

audman wrote: »

Signings are made on paper, trees are used to make paper, Kess can see the wood from the trees. So tell us Kess, who should we sign IF our current signings don't already do it for you?

If man say imma ting, then imma ting.

whatawaster

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Given the general treatment that his perfectly reasonable posts generally receive, your post is somewhat ironic.

Come of it. The general treatment his posts get are that they are challenged.

Lol. :rolleyes: is not the general response to his posts.

The complaining about posts is worse than any posts on here.

It's easy not to read someone's posts if you don't want to.

mike65

It's easy not to read someone's posts if you don't want to.

Its harder then you might imagine, people doth quote the ignored.

Does anyone think Suarez will hand in a transfer request as time ticks by?

Nuri Sahin

Anyone here know who this?

https://twitter.com/boardseye

Apparently it is the...

The lovechchild of Leiva, Anfield Mole, Thanks4thefish, Toby and Raif Severance's Caps Lock key.

El Inho

Kess73 wrote: »

I reckon my take would be quite similar to that of the majority of posters on here.


I think we have improved our depth in the attacking third of the pitch in terms of cover, improved our goalkeeper, but stood still in midfield and in the back line.


We need, imo of course, a quality centre back, a quality central midfielder, and a bonus on top of the first two would be either a quality AM or Winger/Wing forward.

If Suarez goes, then we would need further strengthening again.


If the squad stays as it is right now, then it will take some serious overachieving to even compete for a CL slot next season. For my money we are probably two first team quality signings away from it being a good transfer window.

surely a backup keeper is a must too? Jones just doesn't cut it. Someone akin to Given on the cheap but maybe who has more to offer than Given?

mike65

mike65 wrote: »

Its harder then you might imagine, people doth quote the ignored.

There's an add on that takes care of that. On the phone now so can't link it. It has been mentioned on here a few times before though

K-9

rarnes1 wrote: »

The complaining about posts is worse than any posts on here.

It's easy not to read someone's posts if you don't want to.

If somebody posts a Telegraph piece as something resembling what Liverpool are like now, I'll reply to it.

We'd never entertain a bid from Spurs for Suarez. I suppose it could be said we did similar under Rafa and went for Barry, as Villa were a CL rival.

Overall, I don't believe a CL PL club actively goes for a player because it'll harm rivals and strengthen them. You need far more reason to spend big money on a player.

mike65

rarnes1 wrote: »

There's an add on that takes care of that. On the phone now so can't link it. It has been mentioned on here a few times before though

Cheers but I bet its for FF rather than Opera (the sofisticats browser of choice!)

Devilman40k

Given on the cheap as back up GK is a good call imo, it's not like he'll play a huge number of games and is a solid shot stopper, certainly better than Jones

mike65

mike65 wrote: »

Cheers but I bet its for FF rather than Opera (the sofisticats browser of choice!)

Yeah it is. There's probably one for other browsers too

Raif Severance

Gerrard on a mission to convince Luis Suarez to stay at Liverpool

Liverpool captain believes the Reds must hold on to last season's 30-goal top scorer if they are serious about competing for a Champions League spot this term



The midfielder believes the Reds, who rejected an improved bid of £40million plus £1 from the Gunners last week, must hold on to last season's 30-goal top scorer if they are serious about competing for a Champions League spot this term.

“I've spoken to Luis loads and of course I'm trying to get him to stay,” Gerrard said.

“We will have to wait and see if I have any joy. It's a difficult one from a team-mate's perspective as you've got to show a player respect. Luis is his own guy and makes his own decisions. But Luis Suarez knows what I want him to do, don't worry about that.

“He's the third best player in the world. You've got Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo who are on a different planet then you've got Suarez and Gareth Bale.

“It's difficult to finish in the top four because of the power the likes of Man City, Chelsea and Manchester United have got at the moment. The likes of us, Tottenham and Arsenal are fighting to sneak into the other place that's available.

“Where we sit right now all depends on what decision Luis Suarez makes in the next few weeks. If we lose him then the challenge becomes even more difficult for Liverpool. It's that simple.

“If we get the couple of marquee signings we need and keep Luis that will give me confidence that we can compete. Keeping Luis could be our best signing of the summer.”

Suarez has informed Liverpool he wants Champions League football but Gerrard has urged him to stick around for another 12 months and achieve that ambition with Brendan Rodgers' side.

Gerrard admits the prospect of losing the prolific frontman would be easier to take if either Real Madrid or Barcelona were trying to lure him away.

However, Arsenal are still the only club to have tabled an offer and Gerrard says allowing him to move to the Emirates is unthinkable – even if they match Liverpool's £55million valuation.

“If he goes to Arsenal, it obviously makes our season that bit more difficult,” he said. “It strengthens them an awful lot and they are our rivals for a top four position. From the club's point of view it doesn't make sense at all, no matter how much money is put on the table.

“Luis wants Champions League but so do I. If he was to stay around for 12 months and we achieved a top four finish, there is no better place in the world to play Champions League football than in front of an Anfield crowd.

“You only have to walk around this training ground to see some of the quotes from top players and top managers around the world when they talk about atmospheres on a Champions League night. Surely, you want to play Champions League with Liverpool rather than anyone else.

“If he was to go abroad to a Real Madrid or Barcelona I would totally understand it. He's a South American and from a family point of view, it's where they all want to be.Some of the top players I've played – Javier Mascherano, Xabi Alonso - their dream was to play for Real Madrid or Barcelona.

“If I was Luis I would wait for one of those two clubs because I think he's good enough to play for either of them.”

Gerrard is confident that if Liverpool do refuse to sell their prized asset, Suarez will knuckle down and maintain the standards he has set since his arrival from Ajax in January 2011.

Suarez is expected to play a part in his captain's testimonial against Olympiacos on Saturday. It would be the first time he has graced Anfield since he bit Chelsea's Branislav Ivanovic in April and was hit with a 10-game ban.

“I think he will get a very good ovation because the fans will want to show him how much they want to keep him,” Gerrard added. “You can understand the frustration because they don't want to lose a top player. It's similar to when they didn't want to lose Fernando Torres. It hurts them a lot.

“If Luis does move on to another club everyone connected to the club will be hurt because he's a top player.

“But if we manage to keep hold of him for that bit longer he will continue to be the phenomenal player he has been since he came in here.

“Giving 100% is in his make up. If Luis Suarez was to go and have a game of football with a gang of kids he would want to beat them. He's very similar to Wayne Rooney. They are street footballers. Whether they are playing two aside in the street or playing 11 against 11 in the Champions League they will give everything they have got to win.

“It's great to have him on your team, I wouldn't like to play against him. He comes alive when he goes on the field. His will to win is frightening.”

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steven-gerrard-mission-convince-luis-5392131#.UfmJisEhIHs.twitter

Gerrard speaking a lot of sense there

Kess73

El Spearo wrote: »

surely a backup keeper is a must too? Jones just doesn't cut it. Someone akin to Given on the cheap but maybe who has more to offer than Given?

Forgot about that.

jesus_thats_gre

whatawaster wrote: »

Come of it. The general treatment his posts get are that they are challenged.

Lol. :rolleyes: is not the general response to his posts.

Will you come of it! Him and Lloyd and shouted down by default no matter what they post.

mike65

Diego Costapacket

http://www.intereconomia.com/noticias-/punto-pelota/oferta-liverpool-para-llevarse-diego-costa-20130731

MD1990

Costa is a like for like replacement for Suarez temperment wise

Kess73

MD1990 wrote: »

Costa is a like for like replacement for Suarez temperment wise

Yep, but with a fraction of the footballing ability.

klose

mike65 wrote: »

Diego Coatapacket

http://www.intereconomia.com/noticias-/punto-pelota/oferta-liverpool-para-llevarse-diego-costa-20130731

After selling falcao i doubt theyd sell their other striker and just have villa.

GTR63

Kess73 wrote: »

Yep, but with a fraction of the footballing ability.

0.0000125%
Hope its yet more bull

K-9

mike65 wrote: »

Cheers but I bet its for FF rather than Opera (the sofisticats browser of choice!)

Try http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=85334715&postcount=20

I've gone back to Firefox, so I don't don't know if it works on Chrome and Opera, Opera is based on the same engine or something now!

Fizman

“If we get the couple of marquee signings we need and keep Luis that will give me confidence that we can compete.

“If he goes to Arsenal, it obviously makes our season that bit more difficult,” he said. “It strengthens them an awful lot and they are our rivals for a top four position. From the club's point of view it doesn't make sense at all, no matter how much money is put on the table.

The above two points are what I picked out of what Gerrard said. It pretty much echoes every Pool fan, and he has basically told the club what we need to do to progress.

audman

Kess73 wrote: »

Yep, but with a fraction of the footballing ability.

The Liverpool photographer would love him though. Here he is casually leaning the right elbow on thin air, holding two footballs while striking a two-fingered positive gesture. Effortless. Bit of a pout going on there too.

K-9

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Will you come of it! Him and Lloyd and shouted down by default no matter what they post.

Some posters do reply reasonably with counter points and stuff, in my experience, when you do, it is either missed or purposefully ignored.

I replied point for point to a Lloyd post today, we'll see if Lloyd bothers his hole taking similar time to respond. Al just takes a scatter gun approach to posting, in fairness, I think he has always been like that, so consistent. The United thread was an example.

5live

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Given the general treatment that his perfectly reasonable posts generally receive, your post is somewhat ironic.

We probably all need to calm down somewhat and tone down the rhetoric a tad, and i include myself in that.

Our factions are getting more polarised by the day, and taking unsubstantiated twitter posts as fact isnt really helping.

Part of the attraction of diversity should be discussing our differences and i think we have lost that.

Nobody knows if Rodgers or FSG will suceed or fail but isnt that part of the attraction of soccer, the sheer mind bending unpredictibility of a game that the club we all love dearly plays.

We all want the same outcome but we all want the club to achieve that in different ways.

But the one thing that unites us is the success of the club.

Christ, enough of unity101. Im off to bed.

Levia, YNWA

daithijjj

PRAF wrote: »

Utd have signed nobody, same with Arsenal. Chelsea and Spurs have signed 1, maybe 2 players of note. Only City have spent big and early.

As it stands we haven't lost any ground on Spurs, Arsenal, or Everton IMO.

I'd like a couple of impressive signings myself but I think we're at that stage now where deals are either going to happen near the deadline or not at all.

United won the league, already have a large squad and signed Zaha. Chelsea and City also have big squads. The clubs we are trying to reel in may not have signed many but they havent lost many either. Last i heard Spurs had agreed a fee with Valencia for Soldado. Arsenal are Arsenal, been the same for years with them.

The line coming out from Rodgers now goes right back to the point i made about Ayre/the club a few weeks back. Levy is a strong leader there at Spurs, he brought in Baldini in June and it seems to be making a difference. We have most definitely not improved our team imo, a couple more bodies in attack doesnt mean improvement.

I personally think its a sign of the times that any LFC fan would post the following.

"We haven't lost any ground on Everton"

OwaynOTT

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Will you come of it! Him and Lloyd and shouted down by default no matter what they post.

Don't think it's fair on Lucky to lump him in with Alan. Lucky at times can talk a lot of sense and is a credit to thus thread. The other posting style is not conductive to conversation or constructive arguments.

OwaynOTT

5live wrote: »

We probably all need to calm down somewhat and tone down the rhetoric a tad, and i include myself in that.

Our factions are getting more polarised by the day, and taking unsubstantiated twitter posts as fact isnt really helping.

Part of the attraction of diversity should be discussing our differences and i think we have lost that.

Nobody knows if Rodgers or FSG will suceed or fail but isnt that part of the attraction of soccer, the sheer mind bending unpredictibility of a game that the club we all love dearly plays.

We all want the same outcome but we all want the club to achieve that in different ways.

But the one thing that unites us is the success of the club.

Christ, enough of unity101. Im off to bed.

Levia, YNWA

Don't agree with this factions talk at all, it's not as simple as they are super pro-Rodgers and those other are anti-the rodge.

Mr Alan

whatawaster wrote: »

It's a fairly reasonable post.

No it's not. It's a post basically saying that we can't criticise the owners/management if the couple of quality signings we ALL agree need to be made don't materialise as "sure who knows how the season will pan out".

It's the moving of the goalposts I'm constantly referring to & it's total horse**** deserving only of a rolleyes.

jesus_thats_gre

The irony is that Alan used to be viewed as the most biased pro Liverpool supporter during Rafa's days.

Now, despite having a complete change of opinion that has coincided with us losing our ability to compete, his views are dismissed as anti-Rogers.

To be frank, most of what he says is bang on.

Mr Alan

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Don't think it's fair on Lucky to lump him in with Alan. Lucky at times can talk a lot of sense and is a credit to thus thread. The other posting style is not conductive to conversation or constructive arguments.

whatawaster

Mr Alan wrote: »

No it's not. It's a post basically saying that we can't criticise the owners/management if the couple of quality signings we ALL agree need to be made don't materialise as "sure who knows how the season will pan out".

It's the moving of the goalposts I'm constantly referring to & it's total horse**** deserving only of a rolleyes.

His post expresses concerns about not making signings, but correctly says that the squad's performance on the pitch will determine whether its been a success or a failure.

There are no goalposts being moved.

The shot hasn't even been taken yet

Mr Alan

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

The irony is that Alan used to be viewed as the most biased pro Liverpool supporter during Rafa's days.

Now, despite having a complete change of opinion that has coincided with us losing our ability to compete, his views are dismissed as anti-Rogers.

To be frank, most of what he says is bang on.

My views are not anti-Rodgers, though in my view he is holding us back....my views are anti-average. I don't care about Rodgers, its what i see him as standing for that drives me mad. If Rodgers starts doing the business, I'll be the first to pat him on the back & chant his name.

My issue with Rodgers & the current set up is that the longer we mingle in mid-table, the more impossible it is to return to where we want/need to be. And the simple, absolutely cast iron fact is that at no point in his career has Rodgers displayed he has the ability be as good as we need him to be.

K-9

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

The irony is that Alan used to be viewed as the most biased pro Liverpool supporter during Rafa's days.

There is no irony whatsoever, he was pro-Rafa then, (as was I), he's pro-Rafa now. He's the Simon Pegg character in World's End, still has the Ford Granada and the tape in the tape player.

Now, despite having a complete change of opinion that has coincided with us losing our ability to compete, his views are dismissed as anti-Rogers.

He's in meltdown because Rafa signed his beloved Rafa darlings. Bad enough there was a chance for your ex to come back, then she goes and snatches your most beloved memories.

To be frank, most of what he says is bang on.

If you are into that way of thinking, he makes perfect sense.

Mr Alan

whatawaster wrote: »

His post expresses concerns about not making signings, but correctly says that the squad's performance on the pitch will determine whether its been a success or a failure.

There are no goalposts being moved.

The shot hasn't even been taken yet

You genuinely are telling me that the post wasn't basically saying that although on the face of it, it would be disappointing not to sign anyone quality, we can't actually judge until the end of next season?

Bollox. If we don't do some quality business between now & Sept 1st this window will have been ****e. Plain & simple.

gosplan

Holy ****!!!

80 pages in 2 days!!!!!!

You insane Liverpool lot.

mike65

rarnes1 wrote: »

There's an add on that takes care of that. On the phone now so can't link it. It has been mentioned on here a few times before though

K-9 wrote: »

Try http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=85334715&postcount=20

I've gone back to Firefox, so I don't don't know if it works on Chrome and Opera, Opera is based on the same engine or something now!

Just installed it and relaunched Opera but no go. Ah well.

whatawaster

Mr Alan wrote: »

My views are not anti-Rodgers, though in my view he is holding us back....my views are anti-average. I don't care about Rodgers, its what i see him as standing for that drives me mad. If Rodgers starts doing the business, I'll be the first to pat him on the back & chant his name.

My issue with Rodgers & the current set up is that the longer we mingle in mid-table, the more impossible it is to return to where we want/need to be. And the simple, absolutely cast iron fact is that at no point in his career has Rodgers displayed he has the ability be as good as we need him to be.

I think we he showed signs of it last season. He made plenty of mistakes and a slow start. But we got better and became an excellent attacking team, although inconsistent and error prone.

There's something to work with there. To ignore that completely is not really fair. The football we played, the way we dominated teams and the amount of goals we scored was reminiscent of a top 4 side. Of course, we looked a bottom 3 side on other occasions, but we showed a very high ceiling imo

whatawaster

Mr Alan wrote: »

You genuinely are telling me that the post wasn't basically saying that although on the face of it, it would be disappointing not to sign anyone quality, we can't actually judge until the end of next season?

Bollox. If we don't do some quality business between now & Sept 1st this window will have been ****e. Plain & simple.

And if we sign a striker for 20 million and he scores 5 goals, the window will have been good?

It would have been a better experience and we'd have felt more excitement but that's it.

If we haven't signed anyone by Sep 3rd you'd be well within your rights to be furious. But the window will ultimately be judged on the season that follows it

K-9

mike65 wrote: »

Just installed it and relaunched Opera but no go. Ah well.

It used to be an automatic thing to install scripts on Chrome, they changed it because of security concerns. Opera have gone over to the Chrome engine. A bit of googling would get you the work around pretty quickly.

Firefox has greasemonkey and stylish.

Mr Alan

whatawaster wrote: »

And if we sign a striker for 20 million and he scores 5 goals, the window will have been good?

No. But it will play a part in showing that the owners/manager have the desire to get us back to where we want to be.

As it stands imo it appears we have owners content to solidify midtable & a manager so out of his depth that he's just happy to have the Liverpool managers job.

In relation to your point about Rodgers hinting he has what it takes, that's beyond clutching at straws and the same argument could be made for Dalglish & any manager who puts a few decent results together. While it was better than the dross we got for the first 6 months of the season, it was meaningless & proof of nothing.

PRAF

daithijjj wrote: »

United won the league, already have a large squad and signed Zaha. Chelsea and City also have big squads. The clubs we are trying to reel in may not have signed many but they havent lost many either. Last i heard Spurs had agreed a fee with Valencia for Soldado. Arsenal are Arsenal, been the same for years with them.

The line coming out from Rodgers now goes right back to the point i made about Ayre/the club a few weeks back. Levy is a strong leader there at Spurs, he brought in Baldini in June and it seems to be making a difference. We have most definitely not improved our team imo, a couple more bodies in attack doesnt mean improvement.

I personally think its a sign of the times that any LFC fan would post the following.

"We haven't lost any ground on Everton"

All I'm saying here is calm down until we actually know who we've signed. It's utterly pointless worrying about it. We'll just have to wait and see.

Like others, I feel we need a couple of impressive signings, however I'm not going to throw my toys out of the pram now. There is still time.

Realistically it's been a quiet window so far for our direct competitors. It's likely to remain quiet until the last few days of the window.

whatawaster

Mr Alan wrote: »

No. But it will play a part in showing that the owners/manager have the desire to get us back to where we want to be.

25 million bid accepted for Mkhitaryan. How is that not showing ambition? How is that settling for mid table mediocrity?

Grayditch

Just got in from practice to see that we've lost Leiva. Soldier down, hope the fella's all good.