Noonan: Property Tax wont be used for Local Services

lazybones32

relax carry on wrote: »

Can you please specify exactly how the property tax is illegal? It may be a pain in the star, an irration or downright daylight robbery depending on your circumstances but can you clarify how exactly it is illegal.

I've heard there is something in the Constitution that undermines the whole basis of the Property Tax. It (PT) was still being drawn up when I heard it and I wouldn't be surprised if they find a way around the Constitution.
I have the Constitution and am reading it but I don't have an amended version, so what is originally against the Con., could well have been made legal by some later referendum.
Even if someone does find a contradiction, who will front the money to launch a legal challenge?

Cookie_Monster

lazybones32 wrote: »

I've heard there is something in the Constitution that undermines the whole basis of the Property Tax.

doubtful, there used to be rates for decades without issue and commercial rates are still in palce.

lazybones32

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

doubtful, there used to be rates for decades without issue and commercial rates are still in palce.

Those were rates; this is Property Tax.
They are not charging for services but taxing you for having a property.
Like I wrote, I'm still reading but Article 40.5 says that 'The dwelling of every citizen is inviolable... this is the same piece of Legislation that is being used to prevent Banks from repossessing homes across the Country.
Cut me some fvcking slack..I'm trying to help and I don't need people cutting me down before I even stand up.
The Constitution is our weapon and we're so ignorant of it.

relax carry on

lazybones32 wrote: »

Those were rates; this is Property Tax.
They are not charging for services but taxing you for having a property.
Like I wrote, I'm still reading but Article 40.5 says that 'The dwelling of every citizen is inviolable... this is the same piece of Legislation that is being used to prevent Banks from repossessing homes across the Country.
Cut me some fvcking slack..I'm trying to help and I don't need people cutting me down before I even stand up.
The Constitution is our weapon and we're so ignorant of it.

Can you provide one case where this section of the constitution was used to successfully to completely block a repossession from happening, as I can't remember seeing any newspaper reports of such success.

lazybones32

relax carry on wrote: »

Can you provide one case where this section of the constitution was used to successfully to completely block a repossession from happening, as I can't remember seeing any newspaper reports of such success.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpUjl4LvQM8

Chips Lovell

Argument at a gate =/= constitutional challenge

relax carry on

lazybones32 wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpUjl4LvQM8

Thanks. Not sure how you count that as a success as it just appears to have been a shouting match where the authorities backed off and then came back later and repossessed the property anyway.
You appear to be moving into Freeman territory here. Are there any documented and varified successess of the constitution being used to completely dismiss a repossession order?

lazybones32

relax carry on wrote: »

Thanks. Not sure how you count that as a success as it just appears to have been a shouting match where the authorities backed off and then came back later and repossessed the property anyway.
You appear to be moving into Freeman territory here. Are there any documented and varified successess of the constitution being used to completely dismiss a repossession order?

There's no point in me continuing this thread. I seek solutions and you just want to piss on every avenue I go down. I reiterate: I'm only beginning to read the Constitution and the Rights guaranteed to Citizens. When I'm done, I'll be in a better position.

lazybones32

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Argument at a gate =/= constitutional challenge

And what have you done to help people in such situations - besides posting snide comments on forums?

Feisar

Well then lets all protest. And in the best way possible, stay in bed. Call in sick to work for the rest of the week. Grind the country to a halt. None of this faffing around outside Leinster House of a cold Saturday or Sunday, to bed I say!

Banjo String

Big Phil rows back again.

Dubliners are subsidising their country counterparts in the funding of local services by up to 50 times, an analysis by Dublin City Council shows.

Dublin city has been allocated €5.06 per person through the Local Government Fund for this year, compared to €260.47 per person in Leitrim, according to figures compiled by the city council’s finance department.

The disparity is replicated nationally, with urban areas receiving far less funding than rural councils, but Dublin local authorities receiving least. The fund is the main source of money allocated by the Government to local authorities and is largely made up of Local Property Tax (LPT) payments from householders.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/dubliners-get-up-to-50-times-less-funding-than-rural-dwellers-1.1730130

Remember their lies in the local elections.

mathie

Banjo String wrote: »

Big Phil rows back again.


http://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/dubliners-get-up-to-50-times-less-funding-than-rural-dwellers-1.1730130

Remember their lies in the local elections.

Any quotes on where they said the LPT monies would be ring fenced?
thanks

Banjo String

mathie wrote: »

Any quotes on where they said the LPT monies would be ring fenced?
thanks

However, Environment Minister Phil Hogan confirmed last night that it had been agreed in principle that 80% of taxes would be retained within local authority areas where properties were based. The remaining 20% of will go into a central fund to be used by local authorities on a "needs basis", his office said . 

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2013/0313/ireland/up-to-80-of-property-tax-will-be-used-locally-225263.html

Riskymove

I note the article only gives data about the per capita value, so obviously places with lower poulation are likely to have higher amounts

Is the actual amount of funding outlined anywhere that we could actually compare it to the 80/20 split previously mentioned?

Cantona's Collars

Banjo String wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2013/0313/ireland/up-to-80-of-property-tax-will-be-used-locally-225263.html

The man couldn't lie straight in the bed.

Think it was on The Journal that we saw how Co.Wicklow brought in some €16 million in lpt but the LA there got a mere pittance from those takings.This is reflected all over Ireland.

I know lads working in the LA's & they are having everything cut to the bone in order to work within ever tightening budgets.They even turned to the sham that is the Gateway Scheme in order to make up for the shortfall in manpower to get around the hiring embargo rather than offering real jobs.

If the government was a private enterprise,The Director Of Consumer Affairs would be after them.Technically we are paying for services but not getting them.

Another scam is Irish Water,they are supposedly running our water supply service,so why are Local Authorities doing any maintenance or connections for the next 10 - 12 years??

renegademaster

zerks wrote: »

The man couldn't lie straight in the bed.

Think it was on The Journal that we saw how Co.Wicklow brought in some €16 million in lpt but the LA there got a mere pittance from those takings.This is reflected all over Ireland.

I know lads working in the LA's & they are having everything cut to the bone in order to work within ever tightening budgets.They even turned to the sham that is the Gateway Scheme in order to make up for the shortfall in manpower to get around the hiring embargo rather than offering real jobs.

If the government was a private enterprise,The Director Of Consumer Affairs would be after them.Technically we are paying for services but not getting them.

Another scam is Irish Water,they are supposedly running our water supply service,so why are Local Authorities doing any maintenance or connections for the next 10 - 12 years??

it's all a scam and the worst thing is the irish people are tellign them it's ok to carry on until april 2016 when we'll vote the next bunch of corrupt fcukers into power and we'll most likely sit on our hands watching them fleece us until 2020...

Cantona's Collars

Time to pay up folks,today is deadline day.Those potholes along your road that need to be fixed won't be done if you don't pay your property tax.:rolleyes:

I'm still waiting for the amazing new park with the tree lined avenues that were pictured on the brochure I got showing me what this tax would be paying for.

Hits954

mathie wrote: »

Any quotes on where they said the LPT monies would be ring fenced?
thanks

Check out /latest-news/2013/factual-position-on-local/ on the Fine Gael website (new signup so I can't paste links)