How to lose beer belly/general round belly

spiderman1885

runawaybishop wrote: »

What's with the "only in Ireland" guff?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2361644

This work shows that after drinking a moderate dose of alcohol, only 0.7-1.5% of the amount consumed is excreted unchanged in urine.

This is different to a moderate session - which would suggest 7/8 pints, with no nightclub afterwards, probably followed by a chipper - and hitting the hay before 1.

That's where my guff came from.

runawaybishop

spiderman1885 wrote: »

This is different to a moderate session - which would suggest 7/8 pints, with no nightclub afterwards, probably followed by a chipper - and hitting the hay before 1.

That's where my guff came from.

Session/dose/period/term - not my problem you associate "session" with binge drinking. Only in Ireland?

maguic24

Ri_Nollaig wrote: »

Boiling the egg for 20 mins might the issue there
should only take 10-12 minutes for hard boiled and about 5-6 for soft (obviously exact time is a preference).

If you are hard boiling them, once finished you should crack the egg on one end (lets the steam out) and place them in cold/ice water for a few minutes to stop any remaining heat from cooking them further. You will have no "greenish...grayish" yolk then just white and yellow

Yes, boiling the egg for 20 minutes results in an overboiled egg...

I wasn't asking why the egg was going green/grey, I was explaining why the egg goes green/grey, boiling the egg for 20 minutes resulting in an overboiled egg. :P

Tis an experiment for all the folk out there that haven't seen a grey/green yolk. :P

p.s: My mam is a bad cook, cremates everything!

spiderman1885

runawaybishop wrote: »

Session/dose/period/term - not my problem you associate "session" with binge drinking. Only in Ireland?

HA! Worming out of a poor choice of words!

Session and dose, brilliant.

Ri_Nollaig

maguic24 wrote: »

Yes, boiling the egg for 20 minutes results in an overboiled egg...

I wasn't asking why the egg was going green/grey, I was explaining why the egg goes green/grey, boiling the egg for 20 minutes resulting in an overboiled egg. :P

Tis an experiment for all the folk out there that haven't seen a grey/green yolk. :P

p.s: My mam is a bad cook, cremates everything!

Don't worry I can relate...

Infact the "grey lining" on hard boiled eggs was par for the course for a very long time. Was only when I started cooking myself I realised the vast majority of foods I had grown up with were over cooked (never mind the portion sizes...).

mccarrd2

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Its high intensity Interval training that you can do at home. It got me some serious results. I was a fit 78kg for years, after 6 weeks doing this about 3-4 times a week I was leaner and 74kg.

simonsays1

Wheat might be the problem

lee_baby_simms

UnholyGregor wrote: »

3000calories of chiclken breast and brocilli is the exact same as 3000calories of macdonalds when it comes to fat tissue.

That's not my understanding. All calories are not equal.

Empty calories, found in McDs food, leads to increased insulin levels in the blood which in turn increases the storage of fat in fat cells and prevents fat cells from releasing fat for energy.

Higher quality calories like chicken breast and brocolli will not cause such a spike in blood sugar which reduces the insulin levels in the blood.

Regulating blood sugar is the key in losing weight imo. Insulin not only inhibits fat burning but when it subsides it causes lethargy and cravings. Sugar crash etc.

dor843088

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

That's not my understanding. All calories are not equal.

Empty calories, found in McDs food, leads to increased insulin levels in the blood which in turn increases the storage of fat in fat cells and prevents fat cells from releasing fat for energy.

Higher quality calories like chicken breast and brocolli will not cause such a spike in blood sugar which reduces the insulin levels in the blood.

Regulating blood sugar is the key in losing weight imo. Insulin not only inhibits fat burning but when it subsides it causes lethargy and cravings. Sugar crash etc.

A calorie is a calorie no matter where it comes from and the only thing that makes you fat is an overconsumption of calories . End of story. You can lose weight eating McDonald's and gain weight eating broccoli .

Stench Blossoms

dor843088 wrote: »

A calorie is a calorie no matter where it comes from and the only thing that makes you fat is an overconsumption of calories . End of story. You can lose weight eating McDonald's and gain weight eating broccoli .

Who's gonna look better though?

The person eating MCD's or the person eating a healthy diet?

dor843088

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Who's gonna look better though?

The person eating MCD's or the person eating a healthy diet?

If the macro breakdown is the same they will look the same this is a fact.

Shane732

dor843088 wrote: »

If the macro breakdown is the same they will look the same this is a fact.

And would the macro breakdown in 3000 cals of McD's versus, say, 3000 cals of chicken?

dor843088

Shane732 wrote: »

And would the macro breakdown in 3000 cals of McD's versus, say, 3000 cals of chicken?

English please

runawaybishop

Shane732 wrote: »

And would the macro breakdown in 3000 cals of McD's versus, say, 3000 cals of chicken?

McDs is very open with their nutritional information, you should easily be able to achieve acceptable macros with their food.

Hanley

dor843088 wrote: »

A calorie is a calorie no matter where it comes from and the only thing that makes you fat is an overconsumption of calories . End of story. You can lose weight eating McDonald's and gain weight eating broccoli .

Bullsh*t.

dor843088 wrote: »

If the macro breakdown is the same they will look the same this is a fact.

Strawman.


THe simple fact is 3,000kcal from MaccyDs is NOT the same as 3,000kcal from chicken and brocolli.

IF it was, the appearance argument could be made, but the health argument would still stand.

There's one little word that sinks any IIFYM argument - adherence.

lee_baby_simms

dor843088 wrote: »

A calorie is a calorie no matter where it comes from

It's reassuring to think this is the case but its really not that simple.

The more calories you get from sugar the more your body will convert and store as fat. This is because insulin is needed to process the sugar and insulin inhibits the breakdown of fat.

Fibre in its natural form slows and regulates sugar absorption which is why eating 60 calories of broccoli and drinking 60 calories of coca cola will be processed very differently.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-lustig-md/sugar-toxic_b_2759564.html

http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/endocrine/pancreas/insulin_phys.html

dor843088

Hanley wrote: »

Bullsh*t.



Strawman.


THe simple fact is 3,000kcal from MaccyDs is NOT the same as 3,000kcal from chicken and brocolli.

IF it was, the appearance argument could be made, but the health argument would still stand.

There's one little word that sinks any IIFYM argument - adherence.

She asked who would look better nothing about health or whos gonna live to a hundred. And its still a fact . You think otherwise?

Hanley

dor843088 wrote: »

She asked who would look better nothing about health or whos gonna live to a hundred. And its still a fact . You think otherwise?

I think you avoided addressing the majority of my points.

dor843088

Hanley wrote: »

I think you avoided addressing the majority of my points.

Noone mentioned health noone mentioned adherence the they are nothing to do with my statement, and I specifically said if the macros are the same then the resulting look will be the same in terms of body comp . Do you disagree or not ? Anything else iv missed? Different macros different results . Same macros same results food choice irrelevant. Fact.

Magenta

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

That's not my understanding. All calories are not equal.

Empty calories, found in McDs food, leads to increased insulin levels in the blood which in turn increases the storage of fat in fat cells and prevents fat cells from releasing fat for energy.

I have lost weight while eating McDonald's. It can be done.

maguic24

Magenta wrote: »

I have lost weight while eating McDonald's. It can be done.

There's easier ways to lose weight...

dor843088

Magenta wrote: »

I have lost weight while eating McDonald's. It can be done.

Iv got ripped eating mcdonalds . The broscience brigade just dont wanna hear it .

BigProblem

maguic24 wrote: »

Lose the chocolate, cut back on the beer.

You are eating way too much bread!! Could you not substitute a slice of bread for an oatcake with natural peanut butter? Lose the bread, it's not doing you any favours! If you have to eat rice, try whole grain rice. For snacks, you should try and stick to fruit, nuts, low fat yogurts etc.

You say cereal, what type of cereal are you eating? Before bed time you should eat protein, so +1 on the eggs, although egg yolks can contain a lot of fat and cholesterol. Could you try eating just the egg white? If you don't like that, how about cottage cheese/tuna/chicken/beans etc. Again, avoid bread or any other type of carb right before you go to bed as they are stored as fat. Complex carbohydrates are the way to go, right now, you are eating too much refined carbs.

Hope that helps. I'm telling you cut back on the bread and start eating 5 to 6 small healthy meals a day, you'll see a big difference. WATCH YOUR PORTION SIZES!

what type of nuts are the best to eat for protein? nuts are pretty expensive in Tesco - where do people buy them?

Inspector Coptoor

They're not that expensive when you consider a portion is 20g of cashews or peanuts or walnuts or almonds.

Don't buy them in the snack aisle, check out the whole food or home baking aisle.

Really need to watch portion sizes with nuts as they are very energy/calorie dense.

thegreatiam

of course it is possible to lose weight eating mcdonalds, if you eat less than you require.

In fact, if you eat nothing at all for a month or so you will lose all your weight.

You wont be very healthy, or alive, but you will be thin as f uck.

Eating a healthy balanced diet or "chicken and broccoli" is simply easier, better for you and much more likely that you will be alive when you get to your target weight.

Feel free to cut weight eating 1 chicken mcnugget a day for 18 weeks, but the people who eat a balanced diet of meat and vegetables will have an easier time doing it.

floggg

dor843088 wrote: »

A calorie is a calorie no matter where it comes from and the only thing that makes you fat is an overconsumption of calories . End of story. You can lose weight eating McDonald's and gain weight eating broccoli .

If you overlook the fact that your diet will lack a lot of key nutrients etc, if you were to only eat broccoli for a week, I doubt you would eat enough to actually gain weight.

If you take a mans maintenance calories as circa 2000, and calories per 100g of broccoli as 34, you would need to eat in excess of 5.88 kilos of broccoli in a day to gain weight.

I imagine most would struggle to eat that much broccoli in one day.

On the other hand you would only need to have in excess of 1 Big Mac meal and one Big Mac (no fries or drink).

I imagine most would be fairly hungry if that's all they had for the day.

floggg

dor843088 wrote: »

Noone mentioned health noone mentioned adherence the they are nothing to do with my statement, and I specifically said if the macros are the same then the resulting look will be the same in terms of body comp . Do you disagree or not ? Anything else iv missed? Different macros different results . Same macros same results food choice irrelevant. Fact.

I imagine it would be very difficult to get the same macros from McDonald's as you would from a diet of lean meant, fruit and veg, no?

Certainly to do so you would need to avoid most of the good typically associated with McDonald's, no?


And if all calories are equal, would a person who eats 2000 calories worth of skittles look the same as their twin who ate 2000 calories of lean meat and veg?

conzy

floggg wrote: »

And if all calories are equal, would a person who eats 2000 calories worth of skittles look the same as their twin who ate 2000 calories of lean meat and veg?

No because skittles are 99% simple carbs and dont provide the necessary macronutrients.

But I'd say someone that eats 1500 calories of lean meat and veg and 500 calories of skittles, would probably look the same as someone that eats 2000 calories of lean meat and veg. As they can still get for example 180g of protein, 40g of fat and 105g of complex carbs along with their skittles..

maguic24

BigProblem wrote: »

what type of nuts are the best to eat for protein? nuts are pretty expensive in Tesco - where do people buy them?

I like pistachios and almonds but I'm not sure which ones would be the best for protein. I buy them for about 2 euro in Dunnes...they are usually near the fruit/veg section.

Just make sure whichever nuts you buy are not salted or covered in 'yogurt/chocolate'. You should try out different types of nuts until you find the ones you like best. Like another poster said, watch the portion size and don't eat nuts before going to bed, as they are very calorie dense.

floggg

conzy wrote: »

No because skittles are 99% simple carbs and dont provide the necessary macronutrients.

But I'd say someone that eats 1500 calories of lean meat and veg and 500 calories of skittles, would probably look the same as someone that eats 2000 calories of lean meat and veg. As they can still get for example 180g of protein, 40g of fat and 105g of complex carbs along with their skittles..

Then doesn't that mean that not all calories are equal.

Obviously as a unit of heat or whatever it is, they are.

But in terms of how the body uses them, and in the sense everybody has really meant here, they aren't.

200 calories worth of turkey breast will not be used by the body in the same way as 200 calories of skittles.

And in the terms of providing energy for your body, they will give different results. The skittles will be burned quickly but won't keep you going for long, whereas the chicken will be used more slowly and keep you going longer overall.

lee_baby_simms

floggg wrote: »

Then doesn't that mean that not all calories are equal.

Obviously as a unit of heat or whatever it is, they are.

But in terms of how the body uses them, and in the sense everybody has really meant here, they aren't.

Exactly. Newtons first law of thermodynamics is broken when applied to how the body processes energy.

Not only do bad calories lead to greater fat storage and inhibit fat burning they also provide far less satiety make it more likely that you'll eat more.

A diet that leads to high levels of blood sugar is the root cause of weight gain, not fat.

conzy

We could probably say that all surplus calories are equal..

Once you consume enough protein, fats and carbs to repair your body / grow. Anything that puts you into a surplus will make you put on weight whether its skittles or chicken fillets.

air

Irrespective of anything else a 12 pint session at any stage is fairly outrageous, doing it once a fortnight is asking for trouble IMHO.

KingOfFairview

Just an update on this: since the OP, I've cut down significantly on bread and carbs in general. I've lost 1/4 stone, and my stomach is noticeably flatter. I have upped the amount of weight training I do, that's helped burn some fat, though I have gained muscle. So, bloating was not a 'red herring', in fact it was a major comfort as well as aesthetic problem but it's true that losing weight in general is the best overall strategy for losing the belly, rather than crunches etc.

kilburn

Great going well done, when i read your op, It was like i had written it myself.

emz8

FutureGuy wrote: »

2) Replace the chips with as much green veg as you want...I mean that. As much as you want. Don't each spuds and only eat a small amount of carrot. If you want rice, switch to brown, reduce the portion size and mix with good veg.

What's wrong with carrot?

Carrots make me happy...

thegreatiam

emz8 wrote: »

What's wrong with carrot?

Carrots make me happy...

makes your skin orange

knipex

KingOfFairview wrote: »

A typical day's grub for me would be

Breakfast: Small bowl of cereal, slice of toast, tea

Snack: 36 almonds, two slices brown bread and butter, tea, banana

Lunch: roll with turkey, cheese, lettuce and tomato

Dinner: Generally two chicken breasts and rice or steak and home-cut chips

Snack: two hard boiled eggs, two slices bread and natural peanutbutter (not the crap with loads of sugar and salt), banana, orange and some grapes, four squares of chocolate

Plenty of water through the day. Don't drink fizzy drinks, eat crisps, McDs etc. A bad day might involve a bowl of ice cream, but honestly that would be something that happens about every three weeks.

Binge drink every two weeks, this would typically involve 12 or so pints of beer. Is the beer really the sole culprit? I can honestly say I'm not fat, no one would ever think I am, it's just a round belly, and as I say it only really gets bloated right after I eat or drink beer. Generally speaking it look OK (well, by Irish standards).

Appreciate ye taking the time to respond. Will check the stickies out.

That is alot of food for a day.. how much exercise do you do.

At the moment I am doing alot of physical work (cutting trees, chopping wood, mixing concrete, putting in a fence, building a stone wall etc) and I wouldn't eat anything like that much.

Breakfast 2 or 3 slices of toast plus coffee.

Lunch would typically be a sandwich and fruit with coffee.

Dinner would be chicken or pork or beef with veg and potatoes or rice. Pasta from time to time.

I would probably have a snack around 7 or 8 pm.

I do drink a lot of coffee and perhaps a 500ml bottle of coke.

From time to time I will have a big breakfast (2 eggs and toast maybe a couple of grilled rashers) but then I wouldnt need a lunch..

I am 6'2" weigh about 205 pounds medium to heavy build and pretty strong. Not skinny happily admit I am probably a stone overweight.. But if I ate like you I would be HUGE..

KingOfFairview

I do about 3.5 hours of weights a week, fair bit of walking and climbing stairs.

mrnobodyfan87

KingOfFairview wrote: »

I do about 3.5 hours of weights a week, fair bit of walking and climbing stairs.

What are you lifting weight wise? (squats, bench, deadlift, press, etc)

How many calories are you eating a day now?

edit: and I'm very surprised to see no posts mentioning the phrase skinnyfat since that is what it sounded like to me

KingOfFairview

mrnobodyfan87 wrote: »

What are you lifting weight wise? (squats, bench, deadlift, press, etc)

How many calories are you eating a day now?

edit: and I'm very surprised to see no posts mentioning the phrase skinnyfat since that is what it sounded like to me

I curl with 20kgs, bench 22.5kg dumbells, chest press machine 80kgs, stuff like that. No idea how many cals I eat.

Id be suprised to be decribed as skinnyfat. I'm a broad-shouldered guy, I have a decent physique.

syklops

KingOfFairview wrote: »

I curl with 20kgs, bench 22.5kg dumbells, chest press machine 80kgs, stuff like that. No idea how many cals I eat.

Id be suprised to be decribed as skinnyfat. I'm a broad-shouldered guy, I have a decent physique.

Use the stickies to calculate what you eat per day, both calorie wise, and the make up, e.g. carb, protein, fat. It sounds complex at first but the stickies make it really easy, and the whole weight loss/gain thing, becomes so much clearer after.

schwalbe

Could be gluten intolerance?Isn't bloating a sign of that?
Also,no offense but the fact that you mentioned your curl weight first and the fact you even curl might suggest that you are ill informed about weight training and are not doing the correct exercises for your problem.People with the type of body you want either don't do curls at all or wouldn't bother mentioning what weight they do them at.

runawaybishop

morgan123 wrote: »

Fatness is caused by high protein diet and fatty foods. Avoid all fatty foods like meats, nuts, cheese, grains, fried foods and dairy products because these are high in protein, cholesterol and bad for health. Eat fresh fruits and vegetables, stay hydrate an drink fruit juices. Exercise is a key source to lose fat.Go walking and running at least 30 to 45 minutes in a day it burns fat, improve mood and physical performance.

Tacoma fitness

That's pretty much all bull****. I wouldn't use that source if i were you.

dor843088

runawaybishop wrote: »

That's pretty much all bull****. I wouldn't use that source if i were you.

Just about anybody can make money in the fitness game these days it seems.

thegreatiam

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runawaybishop

I think someone is advertising, but not in a positive way

KingOfFairview

schwalbe wrote: »

Could be gluten intolerance?Isn't bloating a sign of that?
Also,no offense but the fact that you mentioned your curl weight first and the fact you even curl might suggest that you are ill informed about weight training and are not doing the correct exercises for your problem.People with the type of body you want either don't do curls at all or wouldn't bother mentioning what weight they do them at.

Jesus H Christ im not doing curls to get a flat stomach, I was asked what weights I do so I gave curls as one example of the range im in.

schwalbe

KingOfFairview wrote: »

Jesus H Christ im not doing curls to get a flat stomach, I was asked what weights I do so I gave curls as one example of the range im in.

Like I said,no offense just trying to help as you requested.

KingOfFairview

schwalbe wrote: »

Like I said,no offense just trying to help as you requested.

Fair enough, sorry for the snark