Dublin Bus strike from Sunday 04/08 [called off - service resumes 07/08]

foggy_lad

Delta2113 wrote: »

Army trucks cant be used because of health and safety. The Army wont use the Buses - no chance. This strike might get very dirty - e.g. picket across both Luas lines - result no Luas. Irish Rail would come out soon enough.


Séamus Brennan (r.i.p.) tried to take on Dublin Bus workers and failed miserably.

Those involved in illegal pickets would probably face arrest and conviction and also be held personally liable for any losses to the Luas operators.

Delta2113

It's getting dirty - you heard it hear first!

devnull

Delta2113 wrote: »

It's getting dirty - you heard it hear first!

How so?

Anyone who starts playing dirty will do nothing to gain any sympathy.

Delta2113

Luas tracks to be blocked so I here.

TimeToShine

Delta2113 wrote: »

Luas tracks to be blocked so I here.

By DB? I can't see that happening!

devnull

What has the Luas got to do with this? Regardless of your own right to protest, why should you disrupt services that have nothing to do with you?

If you block Luas tracks then quite frankly you will lose any public support you have, since they are nothing to do with this issue and shows just how out of touch you are.

I know the likes of Joe Higgins would like a general strike, but really, it will do the country no good.

Delta2113

Socialist supporters - legal loop hole.

devnull

Delta2113 wrote: »

Socialist supporters - legal loop hole.

Might have known they'd be involved.

ixoy

Delta2113 wrote: »

Luas tracks to be blocked so I here.

Hopefully followed by arrests for those blocking it. Utterly disgusting if it happens.

Delta2113

Can somebody explain we seem to have 2 transport Ministers - Leo and Alan?

Jamie2k9

Delta2113 wrote: »

Can somebody explain we seem to have 2 transport Ministers - Leo and Alan?

One is a real minister and the other is just a drain on taxpayers money going by his track record. That's Alan who's the waster.

Luas Tracks will not be blocked and they will be removed right away as it has noting to do with their work.

_Kaiser_

Delta2113 wrote: »

Can somebody explain we seem to have 2 transport Ministers - Leo and Alan?

That's easy.. jobs for the boys + another ministerial pension for the taxpayer to fork out for :rolleyes:

Also, thread title needs updating

n97 mini

ixoy wrote: »

Hopefully followed by arrests for those blocking it. Utterly disgusting if it happens.

Did BE drivers not block a private coach in Cork during their recent strike, ordering all on board to disembark before the coach would be allowed to leave, and Gardaí did not intervene?

Delta2113

Keep out of the Bus Lanes - I just love this Country! Gardai supporting the Lads!

Jamie2k9

n97 mini wrote: »

Did BE drivers not block a private coach in Cork during their recent strike, ordering all on board to disembark before the coach would be allowed to leave, and Gardaí did not intervene?

They did but GoBe had more of a connection to BE as they operate it for BE. Luas has nothing to do with CIE or DB.

Hopefully if they were to block the Luas lines, some Luas drivers might actually hit a few of them. :rolleyes:

devnull

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

They did but GoBe had more of a connection to BE as they operate it for BE.

Not really, it's operated on a license to GoBus.
The vehicles are contracted from Bernard Kavanagh to Gobus
They operate from depots on behalf of GoBus
The fares are collected by goBus and booked online via GoBus.

It's in all essence a GoBus service legally, there is just an agreement with BE to use their facilities and help market it.

n97 mini

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

They did but GoBe had more of a connection to BE as they operate it for BE.

The customers still looked seriously p1ssed off!

_Kaiser_

n97 mini wrote: »

The customers still looked seriously p1ssed off!

Which is why you sack anyone who refuses to work and replace them with people who will - or hire them back on new contracts that preclude this nonsense!

Let's not forget that they've had their chance to negotiate (for over a year!) and are now refusing to accept the deal worked out for them by their union representatives and the LRC. No one says they have to accept it if they don't want to, but trying to hold the city to ransom/throwing a tantrum in this manner as as result is going too far in this day and age.

DB management should issue a statement in the morning that anyone who hasn't clocked in by 12 noon tomorrow (in time for the evening rush) should consider their services no longer required. I dare say the picket lines would crumble fairly fast then!

n97 mini

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Which is why you sack anyone who refuses to work and replace them with people who will - or hire them back on new contracts that preclude this nonsense!

While I agree in principle, Spitu (sic) represent over 63,000 public servants who would all be called out to strike.

As I've said before, divide and conquer, not all out war, is the way to resolve the problem.

_Kaiser_

n97 mini wrote: »

While I agree in principle, Spitu (sic) represent over 63,000 public servants who would all be called out to strike.

As I've said before, divide and conquer, not all out war, is the way to resolve the problem.

If others go out to strike then the same strategy should be implemented against them as well.

I'm not saying that the staff concerns are trivial or irrelevant, but there are established channels for the airing and negotiation of issues like this - which in this case they HAVE actually followed... but are now choosing to ignore because they didn't get the answer they wanted!

For that reason a hard-line approach (with a final chance offered to back down) is needed. The company is under severe financial pressure, the country is broke and in no other industry would this sort of action be tolerated.

A message needs to be sent here. This sort of rubbish has been going on for decades within CIE (and the PS in general.. and I say that as a guy who worked in the PS himself in the past) and all concerned need to move past it so that real substantive progress and improvements can be made.

The alternative is that this farce continues until the company DOES entirely collapse at which point it'll be broken up and sold off anyway - and their new prospective employers certainly won't entertain the sort of nonsense we've seen over the last few days!

Infini

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

DB management should issue a statement in the morning that anyone who hasn't clocked in by 12 noon tomorrow (in time for the evening rush) should consider their services no longer required. I dare say the picket lines would crumble fairly fast then!

Dont be daft that would only cause things to escalate very quickly and cause the other 2 companies to go on strike as well. Not only that but SIPTU could bring every sector it represents out on strike in support as well turning an inconvenience in one sector into a total $hitstorm for everyone.

foggy_lad

Infini2 wrote: »

Dont be daft that would only cause things to escalate very quickly and cause the other 2 companies to go on strike as well. Not only that but SIPTU could bring every sector it represents out on strike in support as well turning an inconvenience in one sector into a total $hitstorm for everyone.

Only after separate ballots in all those sectors and workers in each sector voting unanimously in favour of such strike action.

Francesco

As if bus drivers bankrupted this country. It's a low paid ordinary job, let them cut the raft of managers in the public sector for a change.

Cookie_Monster

Francesco wrote: »

As if bus drivers bankrupted this country. It's a low paid ordinary job, let them cut the raft of managers in the public sector for a change.

no it's not. It's a highly paid ordinary job considering and that's the general problem.

Daith

Delta2113 wrote: »

Keep out of the Bus Lanes - I just love this Country! Gardai supporting the Lads!

Dublin Bus aren't the only business who use the bus lanes. Something to keep in mind yeah?

brick tamland

Are there any talks ongoing at all or are still both sides jostling for position?

Blinder

Any place online where I can get info on whether the Luas park and ride's have parking spaces available?

robindch

markpb wrote: »

The last time there was a prolonged bus strike, cycling in Dublin experienced a surge and I suspect it will happen again unless there's a sudden change of heart.

Suits me. Strava tells me I'm cycling around 500km per month, around one-third of that with my kid on a bar-saddle, and I'm tired of buses whizzing past my right ear, with inches to spare, cutting into the bike lane and parking in them at the lights and so on (which not to say that they're any worse than car + lorry drivers; they're not).

I'm kinda looking forward to the cycle from the city center out to Dun Laoghaire and back again this morning.

Michael D Not Higgins

brick tamland wrote: »

Are there any talks ongoing at all or are still both sides jostling for position?

No talks yet. I heard on Newstalk this morning that the government are loathe to enter lest they be seen as an easy target by unions for whatever the next round of cuts are.

They're waiting for the LRC to step in again to meditate talks

homerjay2005

Francesco wrote: »

It's a low paid ordinary job, let them cut the raft of managers in the public sector for a change.

lol. you obviously missed the part where each employee costs Dublin bus 54k and the average total earnings of a driver are around 48k-50k making them the 3rd best paid drivers in europe.