Dublin Bus strike from Sunday 04/08 [called off - service resumes 07/08]

StreetLight · 06-08-2013 2:21pm

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

No, the courts will decide, but they haven't as no case has been brought about it. I'm sure it's easier to accept the status quo and hand over your union fees than take legal action, especially when the unions did so well for themselves during boom years.

But the status quo in that regard has existed during non-boom years also. Since it has not (as far as I know) been challenged, at any point regardless of the country's financial state, can it be assumed that it serves its purpose?

yoginindublin · 06-08-2013 2:26pm

just one question on this strike, i live in ringsend road and there is bus depot close to me. today, the guys on strike are outside the depot and they parked the car along the street. no leaving space for others who want to use the pay parking meter. the clampers dont seem to be clamping them but for them to take pay parking spots without paying is also not right. are they allowed to do this?

Devilman40k · 06-08-2013 2:28pm

yoginindublin wrote: »

just one question on this strike, i live in ringsend road and there is bus depot close to me. today, the guys on strike are outside the depot and they parked the car along the street. no leaving space for others who want to use the pay parking meter. the clampers dont seem to be clamping them but for them to take pay parking spots without paying is also not right. are they allowed to do this?

In a word .. no, whether or not you agree with the strike, just because they are on strike doesn't mean they are above the law.

Michael D Not Higgins · 06-08-2013 2:30pm

StreetLight wrote: »

But the status quo in that regard has existed during non-boom years also. Since it has not (as far as I know) been challenged, at any point regardless of the country's financial state, can it be assumed that it serves its purpose?

You'd have to know exactly who is on these contracts that require union membership and what that membership does for their members. In a semistate like DB, the unions are effectively bargaining with the government and have won so many times during FF years that they believe they're in a strong position to continue fighting. This belief would likely filter to the members and would be unlikely to take on a case against the unions if they think they can keep a good deal with them.

If the unions fail it could be a different story with disenfranchisement from members feeling they're not getting what they pay the union fees for. Although, IMO that would be a naive belief.

Larbre34 · 06-08-2013 2:36pm

Peppa Pig wrote: »

By who?

The strikers. This things is a tinderbox as it is. Nothing better than a confrontational escalation, such as sending in Army drivers, to turn normally mild mannered workers, picketing lawfully, into a mob.

Dont you remember the contract driver in Cork during the Bus Eireann dispute who was blockaded and man-handled and was made to disembark his passengers? That was after just one day.

vicwatson · 06-08-2013 2:39pm

According to radio 94% of DB staff voted for Industrial Action.

Peppa Pig · 06-08-2013 2:42pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

The strikers. This things is a tinderbox as it is. Nothing better than a confrontational escalation, such as sending in Army drivers, to turn normally mild mannered workers, picketing lawfully, into a mob.

Dont you remember the contract driver in Cork during the Bus Eireann dispute who was blockaded and man-handled and was made to disembark his passengers? That was after just one day.

It's a lot easier to intimidate one driver with a bus full of passengers than the army. If those boys can keep their head in war zones a few DB guys won't concern them.

it's a moot point anyway - the army cannot be called in.

Amirani · 06-08-2013 2:43pm

ax586 wrote: »

I know of a driver this morning that was sitting at a,set of lights in his car when a member of the public came over to him and spat at him

I saw an on-strike bus driver hitting an old woman over the head with his placard after she asked him if he knew when the buses would be running again.

Larbre34 · 06-08-2013 2:45pm

NiallSparky wrote: »

I saw an on-strike bus driver hitting an old woman over the head with his placard after she asked him if he knew when the buses would be running again.

Really.

TimeToShine · 06-08-2013 2:52pm

What are the chances of this strike running into tomorrow?

Amirani · 06-08-2013 2:53pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Really.

Really.

Larbre34 · 06-08-2013 2:53pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

What are the chances of this strike running into tomorrow?

About 100%. The way its looking there's about a 70% chance we'll still be here in a week and beyond.

Michael D Not Higgins · 06-08-2013 2:53pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

What are the chances of this strike running into tomorrow?

90%, but would require something special for that 10% chance

LXFlyer · 06-08-2013 2:54pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

What are the chances of this strike running into tomorrow?

No one can answer that right now - just keep watching the news.

Until the LRC intervenes, the strike will continue.

Dravokivich · 06-08-2013 3:03pm

TimeToShine wrote: »

What are the chances of this strike running into tomorrow?

Basically, you should consider it on, until you hear for certain it's off.

LuckyLloyd · 06-08-2013 3:04pm

NiallSparky wrote: »

I saw an on-strike bus driver hitting an old woman over the head with his placard after she asked him if he knew when the buses would be running again.

That's a lie. Why would you lie?

_Kaiser_ · 06-08-2013 3:06pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

That's a lie. Why would you lie?

I think you missed the point he was making - that both stories are pretty unlikely.

LuckyLloyd · 06-08-2013 3:13pm

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

I think you missed the point he was making - that both stories are pretty unlikely.

:rolleyes:

Yep, missed that

Jamie2k9 · 06-08-2013 3:17pm

I fully support Leo's V decision not to get involved with this action. Best decision he has ever made and if he did he would be just playing into the NBRU hands.

clumsyklutz · 06-08-2013 3:26pm

I agree with what they're doing here in some respects, but they really need to get their acts together - there's only so long you can ask a colleague to come out of their way to collect you! (And no there is no train/DART/luas near me - I live on the 4/13 routes

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Larbre34 · 06-08-2013 3:30pm

Dont worry, if it keeps up there wont be a DART near anyone by the end of the week.

At least the one good thing the FF'ers did was make sure LUAS was run privately on a contract.

clumsyklutz · 06-08-2013 3:35pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Dont worry, if it keeps up there wont be a DART near anyone by the end of the week.

At least the one good thing the FF'ers did was make sure LUAS was run privately on a contract.

So I heard! If that goes ahead Dublin is rightly f*ked!

If only the LUAS was any good to me! A few people on here have suggested Taxi's to get to work like it's nothing - it wouldn't be worth my while getting taxi's in and out - I'd lose money!

strandroad · 06-08-2013 3:58pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

About 100%. The way its looking there's about a 70% chance we'll still be here in a week and beyond.

And drivers will lose in wages what they would have - maybe - lose in perks. Genius move.

Larbre34 · 06-08-2013 4:03pm

mhge wrote: »

And drivers will lose in wages what they would have - maybe - lose in perks. Genius move.

They'll certainly suffer this week, however they obviously feel protecting remuneration in the long run is worth it.

strandroad · 06-08-2013 4:07pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

They'll certainly suffer this week, however they obviously feel protecting remuneration in the long run is worth it.

By racking up several more million in losses :>

Larbre34 · 06-08-2013 4:13pm

mhge wrote: »

By racking up several more million in losses :>

Apparently. Industrial action always seems counter-productive on the face of it but the bigger picture is for a sustainable future for company and employees alike. Too many babies have been thrown out with the bathwater since this economic collapse, if more citizens generally had acted against the governments in a way that said 'stop, no further' perhaps the country wouldnt still be dying the slow death that it is.

That said, I preferred the idea mentioned in the last few days of carrying on the bus service but not charging passengers

Dravokivich · 06-08-2013 4:14pm

mhge wrote: »

By racking up several more million in losses :>

If the drivers don't strike, they've no other way to oppose. By starting a bus, they will be de facto agreeing to the terms they are disputing.

Larbre34 wrote: »

Apparently. Industrial action always seems counter-productive on the face of it but the bigger picture is for a sustainable future for company and employees alike. Too many babies have been thrown out with the bathwater since this economic collapse, if more citizens generally had acted against the governments in a way that said 'stop, no further' perhaps the country wouldnt still be dying the slow death that it is.

That said, I preferred the idea mentioned in the last few days of carrying on the bus service but not charging passengers

They aren't allowed to "Work to Rule." It's been mentioned either in this thread, or the one over in AH.

JohnInDublin59 · 06-08-2013 4:20pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Dont worry, if it keeps up there wont be a DART near anyone by the end of the week.

I keep hearing this type of thing, incl from the NBRU – ‘we won’tstand idly by’, that sort of drivel.

I'm genuinely curious. I don't know a lot about labour law but I assume they'd have to have astrike ballot in Irish Rail and give proper notice.

I just wonder – is that sort of ‘sympathy strike’ legal?

Also the IR workers would have to go on strike not over THEIRpay or conditions but over the pay and conditions in a different company. (OK, they're all CIE, but still a separatecompany.) It just seems ludicrous to me.

strandroad · 06-08-2013 4:29pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

If the drivers don't strike, they've no other way to oppose. By starting a bus, they will be de facto agreeing to the terms they are disputing.

They aren't allowed to "Work to Rule." It's been mentioned either in this thread, or the one over in AH.

There are plenty of ways such as rolling limited strikes, taking out routes for a day etc. If they want to go full on just to keep perks average commuter can dream of, all they'll get is continuing trend in falling numbers once it's over, plus a bigger hole of their own creation. Making ordinary people shell out for taxis or risk their jobs to keep 2.5x overtime, great stuff. Racking up several more million when they can't talk about the hole they already have, brilliant.

We are inconvenienced at home but let them strike all they want. Privatisation's next and they have just shown the public why it's badly needed...

Dravokivich · 06-08-2013 4:47pm

mhge wrote: »

There are plenty of ways such as rolling limited strikes, taking out routes for a day etc. If they want to go full on just to keep perks average commuter can dream of, all they'll get is continuing trend in falling numbers once it's over, plus a bigger hole of their own creation. Making ordinary people shell out for taxis or risk their jobs to keep 2.5x overtime, great stuff. Racking up several more million when they can't talk about the hole they already have, brilliant.

We are inconvenienced at home but let them strike all they want. Privatisation's next and they have just shown the public why it's badly needed...

Once they drive a bus, there's no going back on it.

Dublin Bus strike from Sunday 04/08 [called off - service resumes 07/08]

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