Living in New York?

MOR316

Whats happening wrote: »

So not quite true.. I moved to the US on Aug 23rd complete with family, all of us are Irish, don't hold green cards and we travel directly from Dublin to Newark and onwards depsite in Ireland for the previous 14 days.. What i'm saying is nothing is impossible and you can work around most things.

But to back up what others have said it's the decision of the CPB officer if you are allowed enter the US and despite getting there on the 23rd to say we'd a pig of a time at Dublin Preclearence is an understatement. So staying for 90 days and looking to return again will prompt questions about how you're funding your travels at the very least. I've traveled to the US many times with work and getting through CPB without getting a grilling is rare.

Well, it's kind of a non runner for me anyways at the moment because I don't have enough money to travel over and won't do for a few months.

How did you move over with no green cards? What visa did you get or getting? If you don't mind me asking of course.

Funding a three month trip, obviously I can't say "working in bars" to fund it as, from what I'm told, you can't do that. Only thing I could say is savings, staying with friends and a career break from work to travel and even then, that might not be sufficient

él statutorio

Whats happening wrote: »

So not quite true.. I moved to the US on Aug 23rd complete with family, all of us are Irish, don't hold green cards and we travel directly from Dublin to Newark and onwards depsite in Ireland for the previous 14 days.. What i'm saying is nothing is impossible and you can work around most things.

But to back up what others have said it's the decision of the CPB officer if you are allowed enter the US and despite getting there on the 23rd to say we'd a pig of a time at Dublin Preclearence is an understatement. So staying for 90 days and looking to return again will prompt questions about how you're funding your travels at the very least. I've traveled to the US many times with work and getting through CPB without getting a grilling is rare.

So right now you're all on the 90 day waiver, is the plan to stay beyond that and if so how are you going to do that legally and manage to get SS numbers etc?

Whats happening

él statutorio wrote: »

So right now you're all on the 90 day waiver, is the plan to stay beyond that and if so how are you going to do that legally and manage to get SS numbers etc?

No, on a L1-A visa that I got in Jan, so here legally with SSN. Family on L2's, which we entered on 1 month ago.

I suppose my point is while I know getting a new visa right now is very difficult and traveling from Ireland directly the same, it's not impossible, but needs perseverance.

And at the same time expect a good grilling at CBP, talking here about our inbound experience and turns out that CBP are as rude to their own US citizens returning even pre Covid.

MOR316

Whats happening wrote: »

No, on a L1-A visa that I got in Jan, so here legally with SSN. Family on L2's, which we entered on 1 month ago.

I suppose my point is while I know getting a new visa right now is very difficult and traveling from Ireland directly the same, it's not impossible, but needs perseverance.

And at the same time expect a good grilling at CBP, talking here about our inbound experience and turns out that CBP are as rude to their own US citizens returning even pre Covid.

Would you mind if I PM'd you over the weekend about such things?

Whats happening

MOR316 wrote: »

Would you mind if I PM'd you over the weekend about such things?

No issue at all, and I asked questions on this forum and got good advice so happy to pay it forward, that said my Visa is for Intercompany transfer of mangers so my visa route will most likely be differerent to yours.

I think the advice given here is valid, you want to discount the opinions of other places to live that are easier to get to, that is your decision as if it's NYC or bust then that's where you are. But the experience people have shared of entering the US on ESTA's and staying for 90 days and then looking to return later on the same ESTA and difficulties are true.

I'll add that in August the United ground crew had the Pilot on the phone looking to see if they could load our bags or close the hold.. Even with valid documents that's how hard it is now.. Never have i had to run to a gate in all my travels, the door to the plane was closed before we even got seated

What i would say is that the Embassy are there to process applications, they will not give you advise on which route to take.. I think you need to spend a little outlay and engage a Immigration / Visa service who will look at your case and make a recommendation of which route holds the best chance of success. Olgetree Dekins and Frogomen are two providers we use where i work.

Hope this is helpful

SweetSand

Whats happening, how did you manage to persuade them to put you on the flight in Dublin? We are in the same boat, L1/L2, but we are in Boston and had to forget our annual summer trip to Ireland to see nanny and grandad because of travel ban

As for New York - it is an amazing city, it has an amazing vibe and is brilliant for single/couples (no kids), young people (only my opinion). We ve been there good few times, and as much as I love visiting it, I would not like to live there. I find Boston brilliant for family life. We were in California for 9 months as well and I still prefer Boston for various reasons. I think I am just too old for NY )) OP, maybe you should go on ESTA for 3 months so you can get a good feel for it, but only with understanding that you won't be able to go back for a while. But then you never know, you might meet love of your life in NY, marry and stay for good.

Whats happening

SweetSand wrote: »

Whats happening, how did you manage to persuade them to put you on the flight in Dublin? We are in the same boat, L1/L2, but we are in Boston and had to forget our annual summer trip to Ireland to see nanny and grandad because of travel ban

We applied to US embassy in Dublin for a national interest exception or NIE to allow us to travel from a banned country, was approved after 1 week, main factors in favor were 1) leased furnished house or somewhere to self isolate & 2) I was already employed in US, paid in US, coupled with a strong letter from immigration lawyer, laying out benefits to company, however to stress didn't stop CBP giving us a real tough time in Dublin, not recommended but maybe an option if you had to return home.

guitarhappy

nthclare wrote: »

I'd love to spend time in Newyork, such vibrancy and there's something that draws me there.

A romantic notion of a desire to walk the streets and walk around Central Park, sit in a cafe on a winters evening watching the snow swirl around sipping on a strong coffee..
People wrapped up in their winter wollies.
That raw New Yoike accent and the art galleries and museums oh wow.

The absolut immersion in city life, then head upstate Newyork and go on a rural adventure...

Maybe next winter

https://youtu.be/xuzltUeITpw

Listen to Billie Holiday sing "Autumn in New York."

The epitome of cool, by the greatest jazz singer that ever lived. Sums it all up, nothing more to know.

https://youtu.be/xuzltUeITpw

SHOVELLER

Palmy wrote: »

I know a girl from NZD who overstayed back in the 1990’s by three months and was automatically banned for ten years. Doesn’t matter which administration it’s in. Know of an Italian who was also arrested about ten years ago who had overstated by over a year. Spend three months in a immigration facility and send back to Italy on a flight escorted by two federal agents handcuffed. They charged the Italian government for his trip which was in the tens on thousands. While he left Italy, if he ever goes back to work their he would automatically get deducted heavily from his pay check.
Immigration doesn’t play around here period.
Two agencies you don’t mess with here. Immigration and the IRS

Everyone has stories. I know someone who worked for cash here and came home after 3 years. Got an opportunity to do a semester in a college down south and went to the US Embassy at home and admitted his indiscretion and as it was a few years later any ban had been served and he spent an enjoyable semester in said college.

And actually it very much does matter which administration is in power. The current one are going above and beyond in refusals and denials. I know lots of people here who are hoping for a Biden win to ease their immigration problems.

él statutorio wrote: »

As soon as you come back for your 2nd 90 stint you'll get grilled by immigration.

Not necessarily true. I have done same and got through. However it is always at the discretion of the CBP officer there.

hurleronditch wrote: »

If you’re hanging around midtown near the sights looking for bars no wonder you didn’t have a good experience.

East Village, west village, TriBeCa, Williamsburg, LES etc even turtle bay/Murray hill or Hell’s Kitchen are more natural spots for nightlife and a more real NYC experience is. Irish bars in midtown, particularly up around that area are just sad overpriced soulless boozers looking to catch tourists going to shows and Times Square and the Empire State with bad pints and crap food.

Forget oirish bars as a general rule. Midtown does have cracking bars. Of course I meant in normal times!

MOR316 wrote: »

I would be very tempted to go for 3 months of the year so, as often as I can.

Providing things don't go the way I hope. Will make a trip to the Embassy to see what my options are and what I can do*

*For 2022, when Dublin comes out of level 3

Try for a B2 visa. They will need to see you have the finances to sustain yourself though. Feel free to PM if needed.

circular flexing

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Try for a B2 visa. They will need to see you have the finances to sustain yourself though. Feel free to PM if needed.

Applying for B2 while otherwise allowed to use ESTA/VWP will almost certainly result in refusal.

SweetSand

B2 definitely won’t solve anything. It will be $160 wasted on visa that has not much benefits to OP. It is a regular tourist visa which usually people apply for if they can’t use/get ESTA, like my friend who overstayed years ago by few days. She can’t get esta now even after 2 10 years b1/b2 visas. But she had absolutely no problem getting visa in Dublin embassy. Even if you get visa - max you can be stamped by immigration officer is 6 months, but it is totally his decision.
The time we went to California we were suppose to go for up to 6 months as my husband’s company was sending him for training so they told us to get b1/b2, which we did. We ended up staying 6 months, returning to Ireland for 10 days and then going back for another 3 months. Let me tell you, immigration officer in Shannon (after our 10 days in Ireland) gave us such a grilling, almost shouting how dare we were to stay for 6 months and etc, in my head I was already thinking how we were going to ask friends to ship all our stuff back �� he let us through at the end, but definitely not a pleasant experience.

Donald Trump

MOR316 wrote: »

"3 month holiday"

It's all it would be

General "rule of thumb" that I have seen quoted before is that you would want to be out of the country for at least as long as you were in it before trying to enter again. You might be lucky and get away with chaining two back-to-back but after that it would be a huge red flag



BTW, in case anyone is still under any false impressions - it is completely at discretion of the CBP officer. They can deny you entry under VWP even if it is your first trip ever to the US.

Donald Trump

circular flexing wrote: »

Applying for B2 while otherwise allowed to use ESTA/VWP will almost certainly result in refusal.

Not if you have a genuine reason to need a B2 - if you can convince them that you are going on an extended holiday then you'd need the B2. Additionally, you can challenge refusal for entry under a visa whereas you can't under VWP. Visa is more of a "guarantee" of entry. Additionally, if you have a reason for making multiple trips, you could arguably apply for a Visa for the genuine reason that you don't want to be denied entry for making multiple trips. Suppose for example you need to make regular trips for medical purposes etc. I think that is covered under VWP but you might not want to take the risk of being denied on any one of those.



I could be wrong but I think there is something in the small print of the VWP that you can't avail of it if you have ever been refused another visa. If that is true, then if they refused a B Visa just because you can go under the VWP then you wouldn't be allowed to use the VWP by virtue of their refusal!

Route1

Is it possible to do multiple J1 (Grad visas). If one were to complete an additonal diploma or some 3rd level course would you be entitled to another graduate visa?

circular flexing

Donald Trump wrote: »

Not if you have a genuine reason to need a B2 - if you can convince them that you are going on an extended holiday then you'd need the B2. Additionally, you can challenge refusal for entry under a visa whereas you can't under VWP. Visa is more of a "guarantee" of entry. Additionally, if you have a reason for making multiple trips, you could arguably apply for a Visa for the genuine reason that you don't want to be denied entry for making multiple trips. Suppose for example you need to make regular trips for medical purposes etc. I think that is covered under VWP but you might not want to take the risk of being denied on any one of those.

The problem with a B2 visa is you are subject to section 214b of INA which says the consular officer must be satisfied that you will leave the US at the end of your stay. If you already qualify for VWP then a reasonable question is why do you need a 6 month stay in the US. This is where most B2 applications fall down as it's hard to convince the officer that you will leave. I'm not saying it's impossible to get a B2 but it would need a good reason like medical purposes or a specific tourist itinerary (hiking Appalachian Trail is one example I've seen)

I could be wrong but I think there is something in the small print of the VWP that you can't avail of it if you have ever been refused another visa. If that is true, then if they refused a B Visa just because you can go under the VWP then you wouldn't be allowed to use the VWP by virtue of their refusal!

One of the questions is have you been refused a visa and you may or may not be approved based on the answer, so you could apply for B2 based on this ESTA refusal, but then you just look desperate to get to the US which would make consular officers even more suspicious. But if you leave enough time after visa refusal then you should be approved for ESTA again.

él statutorio

Route1 wrote: »

Is it possible to do multiple J1 (Grad visas). If one were to complete an additonal diploma or some 3rd level course would you be entitled to another graduate visa?

I believe it is possible, however I think there is an upper age limit also which may negate any benefit to an additional qualification.

xxrichixx

Are the 12-month graduate visas still going and what's the upper age limit?

I know there has been a general pause in visas for the next few months anyways.

amdublin

xxrichixx wrote: »

Are the 12-month graduate visas still going and what's the upper age limit?

I know there has been a general pause in visas for the next few months anyways.

No upper age limit

Not sure whether they have been paused

JustAThought

amdublin wrote: »

No upper age limit

Not sure whether they have been paused

Last time I looked any visitors from Ireland was on the no entry list to the us. May have changed since. Well worth keeping an eye on their Irish consular service updates before parting with nay cash.

Fathom

COVID-19 is out of control in the US. Per day cases hitting historic highs now. With less than 5 percent of the world's population the US has over 20 percent of deaths. Approaching 230,000 deaths. The Trump administration has been incompetent. Several other countries have exhibited more effective COVID strategies per capita than Trump. He personally refused to wear a mask for the first 4 months. Now that's presidential leadership during an airborne transmitted plague. New York was a hot spot. The city and state now struggles to cope with the pandemic. Until the US brings this epidemic under control, visiting or moving to NY is out of the question.

NSAman

Fathom wrote: »

COVID-19 is out of control in the US. Per day cases hitting historic highs now. With less than 5 percent of the world's population the US has over 20 percent of deaths. Approaching 230,000 deaths. The Trump administration has been incompetent. Several other countries have exhibited more effective COVID strategies per capita than Trump. He personally refused to wear a mask for the first 4 months. Now that's presidential leadership during an airborne transmitted plague.

New York was a hot spot. The city and state now struggles to cope with the pandemic. Until the US brings this epidemic under control, visiting or moving to NY is out of the question.

I’m Bill DeBlasio and I support this message

Fathom

NSAman wrote: »

I’m Bill DeBlasio and I support this message

Humor noted.