Luke Flanagan to introduce the Cannabis Legalisation Bill on 29/10/13 - NORML Ireland

Good lad, Ming.

MadsL

Deleted User wrote: »

Good lad, Ming.

The Gardai appear to think so...

zenno

If cannabis is supposed to be a gate-way drug :pac: then that means i should be on heroin now, or cocaine or full-on crack cocaine, But i'm not, so that puts that to bed.

Naos

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Every reputable study every carried out on the "gateway" theory show that it is absolute nonsense, a tool used for the vilification of cannabis

seven_eleven wrote: »

...I know people who smoke it laught at the whole "gateway" thing, but I've seen it happen to people I know so many times. Mainly in their teens.
They've have all moved on to heavier drugs. Some onto dealing too and turned into complete dirtbags. But thats another positive! Hopefully it will remove the scumbag dealers around the country.

The 'Gateway' thing is something opponents to legislation are responsible for really.

They claim if you smoke weed, you'll go stupid/get addicted etc. People smoke, realise they are fine and then think maybe the negative effects of heavier drugs are bullsh*t as well and potentially try them.

120_Minutes

zenno wrote: »

If cannabis is supposed to be a gate-way drug :pac: then that means i should be on heroin now, or cocaine or full-on crack cocaine, But i'm not, so that puts that to bed.

My cousin injected 6 cannabises and DIED.


Cannabis. Not even once.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

gowley wrote: »

not at all. just pointing out that its hard to have a rational debate when people say 99% of the population want it to be legal with no foundation. the us may have legalised it and guns but i thought the post was about ireland. i cant participate in democracy in the us but imo guns being legalised has created huge problems .

Don't think he meant the figure literally, but it's a moot point.

Ca we assume you'd be okay with it being legalised it 50.1% of the population were in favour of it, so?

What guns?

zenno wrote: »

If cannabis is supposed to be a gate-way drug :pac: then that means i should be on heroin now, or cocaine or full-on crack cocaine, But i'm not, so that puts that to bed.

Yeah, me too...

P_1

Not a hope in hell of it passing through the Dail I'd fear mainly for two key reasons.

1) FG are the majority party in Government, perhaps the most socially conservative party in Ireland. Just look at the recent abortion law, watered down and yet still caused several of their members to wet the bed. Can you see them parroting anything other than the 'Drugs are bad, m'kay' line in response to this.

2) Another thread here today described the major influence that the vintners lobby have over the government. Do you think that for one second they'd allow a potential major competition to their market become freely available?

Personally I'd love for it to be legalised but somehow I doubt this corrupt, moralistic cesspool of a country will see it anytime soon.

MadsL

gowley wrote: »

not at all. just pointing out that its hard to have a rational debate when people say 99% of the population want it to be legal with no foundation. the us may have legalised it and guns but i thought the post was about ireland. i cant participate in democracy in the us but imo guns being legalised has created huge problems .

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Princess Consuela Bananahammock

P_1 wrote: »

Not a hope in hell of it passing through the Dail I'd fear mainly for two key reasons.

1) FG are the majority party in Government, perhaps the most socially conservative party in Ireland. Just look at the recent abortion law, watered down and yet still caused several of their members to wet the bed. Can you see them parroting anything other than the 'Drugs are bad, m'kay' line in response to this.

2) Another thread here today described the major influence that the vintners lobby have over the government. Do you think that for one second they'd allow a potential major competition to their market become freely available?

Personally I'd love for it to be legalised but somehow I doubt this corrupt, moralistic cesspool of a country will see it anytime soon.

1 - No they aren't, but it makes no differenece: no admistration is going to take the chance of going against the status quo.

2 - Agree, but I don't think they'll need to work to hard. Joe Duffy will take care of it for them.

gowley

Don't think he meant the figure literally, but it's a moot point.

Ca we assume you'd be okay with it being legalised it 50.1% of the population were in favour of it, so?


i said the debate should happen. my point was people just making up figures to enhance their argument is pointless. it does nothing to further their point or to add to the debate. there are pros and cons for both sides but if someone is tunnel visioned and can only see one side and invents facts it is not a debate.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

gowley wrote: »

Don't think he meant the figure literally, but it's a moot point.

Ca we assume you'd be okay with it being legalised it 50.1% of the population were in favour of it, so?


i said the debate should happen. my point was people just making up figures to enhance their argument is pointless. it does nothing to further their point or to add to the debate. there are pros and cons for both sides but if someone is tunnel visioned and can only see one side and invents facts it is not a debate.

what are the cons of legalizing weed out of interest?

Celly Smunt

Lads,you can catch aids from injecting hash.This bill should never pass.

zenno

It is true though, in relation to government politicians not living in the real world. They cannot see, even to this day that cannabis and hash is so easily available anywhere to anyone at any time, and they still refuse to legalise it and control it.

The gardai will use their discretion if they search you and find a small bit of weed on you and they will most likely take it off you and give you a warning. It may as well be legal for the personal smoker, but smokers and such would obviously get better cleaner weed if it was government controlled.

P_1

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

1 - No they aren't, but it makes no differenece: no admistration is going to take the chance of going against the status quo.

True, have to say that it's a shame that it's illegality isn't in the constitution, the ability to have a referendum on it would be the fairest way of deciding IMO. Isn't that how it came to be legal in Washington and Colorado?

2 - Agree, but I don't think they'll need to work to hard. Joe Duffy will take care of it for them.

Also a very astute point.

MadsL

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

what are the cons of legalizing weed out of interest?

Umm..well there's....sorry.......what was the question again? Ah yes, repeating yourself a lot.

And indecisive people in front of you at late night garage pay windows...

D'ya have Doritos?

No wait, have you cheese and onion Taytos?

...and a twix...no wait, a snickers.

Personally, I think it's a horrible idea. Would be a shame to erode all the great work the war on drugs has done.

Red Kev

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

It has zero chance of getting through, thankfully.
Just another ego trip for that narcasistic little twirp.

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Ming will then squeak in faux outrage and burn some illegal turf in the grounds of the Dail in protest.:P

To be fair Ming Flanagan has been in favour of the legalisation of cannabis for almost two decades. He has stood for election on this in some of the most socially conservative areas of Ireland and still got elected. He has been to prison for this and has been ridiculed countless times for his stance, not only on cannabis but also bizzarely on his stance on hemp production (something that this country should seriously look into doing).

A man on an ego trip or somebody ready to feign faux outrage he most certainly isn't, not on this issue anyway whatever about his other ideas or policies.

Celly Smunt

zenno wrote: »

They cannot see, even to this day that cannabis and hash is so easily available anywhere to anyone at any time, and they still refuse to legalise it and control it.

Not anymore since the guy i used to get it off is gone to Australia :mad:

There's nowhere for me now

P_1

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

what are the cons of legalizing weed out of interest?

Wasn't it banned in the first place due to concerns over 'the serfs becoming lazy and not knowing their place' back in eighteen hundred and odd? So I'd imagine one of the perceived cons might be a concern over lessened productivity in the workplace (i.e. everyone would be too stoned to work)

Christ the Redeemer

Deleted User wrote: »

Personally, I think it's a horrible idea. Would be a shame to erode all the great work the war on drugs has done.

This is an Irish website.

drunkmonkey

If weed can get Ming into the Daíl we should start putting it in baby food.

gowley

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

what are the cons of legalizing weed out of interest?

http://marijuanatoday.com/cons.php


just to be clear i agree with debate on it. never mentioned cons because im no expert. there is enough experts on the subject on this thread already.

Celly Smunt

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If weed can Ming into the Daíl we should start putting it in baby food.

If that's the way you're writing,I want some of what you're smoking.

This bill will be kicked from the Dail out to the city limits, and I really don't care. Despite the now daily reporting of cannabis seizures I have never found it easier to get quality bud. Sense will never prevail with this government.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

P_1 wrote: »

Wasn't it banned in the first place due to concerns over 'the serfs becoming lazy and not knowing their place' back in eighteen hundred and odd? So I'd imagine one of the perceived cons might be a concern over lessened productivity in the workplace (i.e. everyone would be too stoned to work)

The Dutch seem to be getting along OK...

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

gowley wrote: »

http://marijuanatoday.com/cons.php


just to be clear i agree with debate on it. never mentioned cons because im no expert. there is enough experts on the subject on this thread already.

I suggest you look for another source, in fact you just googled cons of marijuana after I asked you to list some (did the same and your link was the first result) had a laugh at their side effects section:

"diarrhea
cramps
weight loss or gain"

Never in my entire life have I heard of someone getting the ****s after a joint. That link proves the abundance of misinformation on cannabis available online

Actually the wiki page on Marijuana is a very good source, no bull****

gowley

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

I suggest you look for another source, had a laugh at their side effects section:

"diarrhea
cramps
weight loss or gain"

Never in my entire life have I heard of someone getting the ****s after a joint. That link proves the abundance of misinformation on cannabis available online

Actually the wiki page on Marijuana is a very good source, no bull****

maybe you just forgot

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

gowley wrote: »

maybe you just forgot

jesus :rolleyes:

Were you not calling for sensible debate a few posts ago? Way to hop in the gutter chief

P_1

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The Dutch seem to be getting along OK...

That they do. But I'd imagine that it would be one of the major components to the 'keep it illegal' side of the debate.

MadsL

Legal in North Korea!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

gowley wrote: »

http://marijuanatoday.com/cons.php

From the article:
Long Term Effects of Marijuana:1
the loss of brain cells
lung cancer
chronic bronchitis
energy loss
slow confused thinking
apathy
and blood vessel blockage.
Use by adolescents can disrupt emotional development, delay puberty, and can delay the monthly cycle in females.
Marijuana may produce a mild physical dependence that causes minor withdrawal symptoms when discontinued, including nausea, insomnia, irritability, and anxiety.

With the exception of chronic bronchitis, every single one of those can be linked to either alcohol or tobacco. And I had brochitis several ties as a child.
(Not counting the last one, as I doubt anyone seriously thinks we're goign to be legaliising it for kids)

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

With the exception of chronic bronchitis, every single one of those can be linked to either alcohol or tobacco. And I had brochitis several ties as a child.
(Not counting the last one, as I doubt anyone seriously thinks we're goign to be legaliising it for kids)

Not to mention most of those things are not caused by smoking pot

gowley

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

jesus :rolleyes:

Were you not calling for sensible debate a few posts ago? Way to hop in the gutter chief

just concerned ugo. look everyone has their opinion. mine is open on the position. only got drawn in when people used stupid statements. as far as im concerned if you want to use it work away. just dont think this government will pass it. watch the aul trots though.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

gowley wrote: »

just concerned ugo. look everyone has their opinion. mine is open on the position. only got drawn in when people used stupid statements. as far as im concerned if you want to use it work away. just dont think this government will pass it. watch the aul trots though.

I'll be fine. I tend to stay away spicy Indian food anyway.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

gowley wrote: »

just concerned ugo. look everyone has their opinion. mine is open on the position. only got drawn in when people used stupid statements. as far as im concerned if you want to use it work away. just dont think this government will pass it. watch the aul trots though.

Funny considering you put an ignorant stoner stereotype to be when I queried your wildly inaccurate source

btw, I don't recall saying I smoke weed.

Christ the Redeemer

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

This is an Irish website.

Luckily I wasn't being serious.

gowley

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Funny considering you put an ignorant stoner stereotype to be when I queried your wildly inaccurate source

btw, I don't recall saying I smoke weed.

lol. did it say overacting in that link aswell.

Wattle

Yeah but would legalising it really make that much of a difference? Like a previous poster said it's easier than ever to buy. The only thing you can't really rely on is the quality unless you grow it yourself of course

Potential-Monke

It's not going to happen now (as much as i wish it would). But i think it will happen, 10+ years at least imo. There are too many vested interests stopping it from coming in, and too many old timers with the ability to say yay or nay to it.

downonthefarm

ah sure half the fun is knowing you shouldn't be doing it.hopefully this will get rid of some of the stereotypes and misinformation that goes hand in hand with this.but what if this gives shatter a hard on for the small personal growers

zenno

downonthefarm wrote: »

ah sure half the fun is knowing you shouldn't be doing it.hopefully this will get rid of some of the stereotypes and misinformation that goes hand in hand with this.but what if this gives shatter a hard on for the small personal growers

They don't have the resources to go after 1 person growing his/her own for personal use. They are after the big boyo's.

Going after a person with one or two little plants for personal use would be a serious waste of taxpaying citizens money.

I'm going to open a cafe that sells weed and toast. Stoners can have in depth conversations as to which jam is best on toast.

RiverOfLove

This is just a little good story to take your minds of other stuff like something new happening in NAMA. In the politics forum there is a thread. There are two Nama guys due to recieve 5million of a payout each.

RiverOfLove

zenno wrote: »

It is true though, in relation to government politicians not living in the real world. They cannot see, even to this day that cannabis and hash is so easily available anywhere to anyone at any time, and they still refuse to legalise it and control it.

The gardai will use their discretion if they search you and find a small bit of weed on you and they will most likely take it off you and give you a warning. It may as well be legal for the personal smoker, but smokers and such would obviously get better cleaner weed if it was government controlled.

Government is mostly filled with old, bitter people. What's needed in government is a fcuk load of young people that will pull this country right into the 21st century.

hfallada

I have a feeling a lot of the dail are pioneers never mind legalising weed in any form. Ming has zero creditablity and showed all of use he is no different to the dozens of shady tds we have had

P_1

hfallada wrote: »

I have a feeling a lot of the dail are pioneers never mind legalising weed in any form. Ming has zero creditablity and showed all of use he is no different to the dozens of shady tds we have had

Eh remember the incident with the Dail bar? I highly doubt the Dail is a pioneer establishment.

zenno

RiverOfLove wrote: »

Government is mostly filled with old, bitter people. What's needed in government is a fcuk load of young people that will pull this country right into the 21st century.

Old and Bitter ? on those wages :eek: , How could this be possible ?. We need to send in the psychologists to find out why this could be the case, as it seems impossible for government politicians to be Old and Bitter receiving that much dosh annually.

Enda Kenny
Annual: € 200,000.00
Monthly: € 16,667.00
Weekly: € 4,000.00
Daily: € 800.00


And the rest.

Old & Bitter - NO.

mcmoustache

This should really be thought of and explained in financial terms.

I'm going to pull some numbers from my ass but they can be refined.

Let's say, hypothetically, that I smoke €30's worth of weed per week between myself and whoever else is joining in. Now imagine that it was magically regulated and taxed and that I now spend €40 on it - €10 to the taxman.

Now, is it so hard to believe that there are 100,000 people doing the same? Let's say there are. That's €1,000,000 per week to the tax man.

Then there's the other side - how much Gárda resource are spent on the prohibition. I have no figures that are willing to exit easily from my rectum that I could use for this but let's assume that that it's greater than zero.

Regulating it will make us lots of cash and save us spending cash.

The tax man needs this.

(My numbers are crap but I don't think they're too crazy)

MadsL

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I'm going to open a cafe that sells weed and toast. Stoners can have in depth conversations as to which jam is best on toast.

Pffft! We have AH for that.

mikom

Not even once.

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